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Wow ok I forgot how much my Geneology and History research was so addictive.
Ok I dont know if I mentioned this a few years back but: You research buffs should really check out Old Mission Cemetery in Upper Sandusky Ohio. Wyandots resided there buuuuut that is where my G G or GGG grandma Supora/Suponia Alice Colley is burried, but there are a ton of Suponi Surnames in there like Boyds, Wall, Clark, Allen, Hall, Boone and Smith.
When I first came to the Sweat lodge that I attend, the family that runs it, my friend Julie has my same family stories (abt. being Blackfeet), and her family is also burried there, very strange discovery, so I think it is worth the effort. This is one of the towns the Wyandots were removed from but it is just so strange because it was where there was a big Methodist conversion of Natives and my Grandparents are burried in the old part with the other Natives and the Surnames I listed are all burried around my Ancestors.
In those days I cant see a big uprising by the wealthy to be burried next to the natives, just a theory
The first person I talked to about the Blackfoot ID was a lady with that ID from that area. I’ll try and get her to take a look at this.
Christina,
You mentioned a Methodist conversion of Native people. My great grandparents (Saponi) who were born in Hollister NC and after moving 15 miles down the road to Warren NC which is still in Warren Co. were married in a Methodist church and became members. Now that I think about it, there were not many members there, but they were our family members (Harris, Plummer) and others that were I am sure indians (Johnsons). Wow, you have added to my putting two and two together. The church was an AME Methodist, but I can not remember one person who was of dark complextion or who did not look indian.
I always wondered why none of my family were members of the local Baptist church. Could it be because indians in the early 1800’s who had left their communities were limited (if they were considered christian) where they could attend church? I did find out recently that native americans helped a lot of the slaves in their route through the underground railroad. So maybe the early black churches were the only place we were welcomed.
Thanks for adding additional pieces of the puzzle that were missing in my family history.
Christina,
Some members of my family were connected there. My people moved to Ohio and bought the Wyandot town Raccoontown, near Columbus. If you search for Senecas of the Sandusky, I think that there is a discussion of the folks from this area on this thread. Bess added some good information. Check out http://www.heritagepursuit.com/Wyandot/WyCh4.htm . It tells the story of the mission. I have a picture of that mission that I found somewhere on the web, if you want me to send it to Linda to post.
Techteach
Helloooo
A few years back on a couple different occasions I was able to go down to the mission, there is so much info in their Library and to go to the mission is quite an experience in itself, I have been on that web site several times, I have actually looked at the book the online book is from, because it has my G G G G Grandpa and my ancestors in it. But the book is amazing, I forgot how much valuable info it could have for us. Here is the main page for the website, the Mission is in Crane township but there is a huge part of the book specifically on the Indians there.
http://www.heritagepursuit.com/Wyandot/wtitle.htm
going back to Haliwagirl, You know I am also really curious about the Methodist thing myself, I do know that one of the first pastors of the Old Mission Church was native, I think but not sure that his name was Between the Logs, it might be on the website I just listed. That whole Church and Cemetary is an enigma for me really, every time I go to get answers I come back with more questions. Mostly inregards to my own family and the other people who I have talked to about their Blackfoot family there. And forget about asking the so called historians down there, it is a predominetly Anglo community and it seems more of a novelty for them than anything (OH Look We Have Indians Burried Here), they have no idea other than their books on what the heck went on there, and honestly more and more I feel like something went on there with our people, I mean there is no such thing as coincedence, I should just stop second guessing myself and realize yes we were there, but I want to know why and how.
My Gosh our ancestors were some travelers werent they?
Oh I ran across this Guy a longtime ago whop worked for an organization called the friends of freedom, he was doing reserch on natives because there was this assurgence of claims that Natives played a huge part in the underground railroad. Here in Michigan it is kind of old news we have known this for awhile especially the Ojibes I have met that are also black. Growing up I had a few friends who actually lived in houses that had secret passages used for the underground rail road many of these homes are in the Ann Arbor area.
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Ok I dont know if I mentioned this a few years back but: You research buffs should really check out Old Mission Cemetery in Upper Sandusky Ohio. Wyandots resided there buuuuut that is where my G G or GGG grandma Supora/Suponia Alice Colley is burried, but there are a ton of Suponi Surnames in there ……..]
Does anyone remember without me digging through the boxes…. is this where the Senecas of the Sandusky were that were reputedly not many Seneca, but remnants of Logan’s Band…..? Then Tutelo here would make sense?
Brenda
You know let me check on that and get back to you in a couple of days buuut, if it is urgent you can type into your browser
HISTORY OF WYANDOT COUNTY OHIO and it should come up as a heritage.com link
Thank you. I am guessing it may be another way to trace the Saponi/Tutelo as Linda, I seem to remember, found a long time ago that Logan’s mother may have been Tutelo. There were Tutelo in PA when Logan was there pre-Ohio days. It only makes sense that they came over to the Ohio lands with the others they were living with.
There are a series of postings on Senecas of the Sandusky in Blackfoot that discuss the possibility of so many of them likely being Saponi. In fact, I remember finding a Canadian web site that directly makes that statement, going so far as to say that many (most?) of the Senecas in OK are actually remants of this and other eastern refugee tribes.
My own people follow that route; most of the Greens are in Licking County, not up north, but one Green?Beaver family is connected with this church. One of the Sinkeys follows this group as they go west with the Van Meters. The Sinkeys originate near Logan.
The Greens originally bought their land from the Wyandot in Licking County. They settled at the Wyandot town called Raccoontown after leaving Shepherdstown, WVA.
Techteach
I have been lost in time for awhile and no time to say why, but I bumped into this interesting piece that I have to share in case no one has seen it yet.
“BEFORE THE INDIAN CLAIMS COMMISSION
THE
CAYUGA NATION OF
INDIANS,
PETER
BUCK AND
STEWART JAMISON
MEMBERS
AND
REPRESENTATIVES THEREOF,
THE
SENECA-CAYUGA
TRIBE;
OF
OKLAHOMA,
Docket No. 343
P l a i n t i f f s ,
v.
THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,
Defendant.
Decided: July 20, 1972
.
“……The Cayuga Nation, a member of the Six Nations, occupied territory
in New York State i n the vicinity of Cayuga Lake. After the Revolutionary
War, i n which the Cayugas had fought on the side of the British, the
tribe splintered, with one group enigrating to Canada, a second group
moving to Western New York State, and a third group removing to Ohio. …”
http://digital.library.okstate.edu/icc/v28/iccv28p237.pdf
Notice the surname BUCK and also note the verification of a migration to OHIO. I see no reason why some Tutelo would not have been part of all three of these splinters, rather than merely of the group that immigrated to Canada.
Brenda
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