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December 30, 2005 at 10:10 pm #1991
Thank you, Linda, for helping me get started on this! I’ve read through your archives, and found this to be a very intelligent, kind group of members, and hope that you all don’t mind if I ask a few questions.
I’m looking for the mother of my gggggrandmother, Amelia Ann Conn. Amelia was born in 1805 near Abingdon, Washington Co., VA. Her father’s line, and her children, have all been very well-documented. But when it comes to her mother, we draw a blank. Amelia’s gggrandfather was Reverend Hugh Conn, from MacGilligan Parish in Ireland. She married James Alexander, Jr. and we are familiar with all of their children. But Amelia’s mother and one of her siblings have very little documentation.
According to Amelia’s 1883 obituary, which gives us the date and place of her birth, as well as her maiden name, she was orphaned young and raised her siblings. We also know that she was raised in the Lexington, KY area, and married James Alexander, Jr. in Madison Co., TN. How she got from VA to KY to TN in such a short time is a mystery. She had a sister (Antoinette Conn, married to Thomas White in Bond Co., IL), a brother Harvey, and a brother Theodore Percival Conn. Theodore studied medicine at Transylvania University in Boyle Co., KY, moved to Bond Co., IL, bought land, married, began his medical practice and died young (in 1838). We never found out what happened to Amelia’s brother, Harvey Conn. We know that much of our family bounced around from Maryland to Virginia, and from North and South Carolina, to KY and TN.
This is my question. We know that we have a NA ancestor from two different sources in our family. We’ve about narrowed it down to Amelia’s mother, since all of the lines before and after her are well-researched–so how do we go about finding which NA people would have been in the Washington Co., VA area?
Amelia’s uncle, Stephen T. (sometimes mistakenly written as F.)Conn, married a woman named Elizabeth Richey. He was involved in a salt-well venture that resulted in lots of court cases in Wayne Co., KY. It turns out that many of the people he worked with are now documented as Melungeon.
Amelia’s aunt, Nancy Conn, married William Anderson in about 1811 in Washington Co., VA. They had several children, and later divorced.
It turns out that there was a lot of Masonic involvement in the family, as well. The preacher who performed the marriage ceremony was Rev. Junius Hodge, a Mason. Many of Amelia’s and James’ children and grandchildren were Masons, as well as their contemporaries (and that might just be the ones that we know of).
I say this, because Donald Panther Yates, who did research on the Melungeons associated with our Stephen Conn, also notes a Moses Looney as being a Mason. He thinks that Moses was a Melungeon or perhaps part NA and Melungeon. We also have Looneys in our family (well, both loonies and Looneys, the truth be told!). But we pretty much know who they were–or we think we do, anyway, according to the mostly “white” researchers who might or might not have regarded (or disregarded) any NA connections…
The rest of our family has been very well-documented, on paper at least. Any NA association was long before any rolls that I know of, like the Dawes rolls. And my grandmother, born 1892, certainly didn’t speak of it, except to ask why people just didn’t leave it alone–never denying it, but not wanting to talkabout it, either. Her brother, now deceased, also recalls knowing that this line was at least part native american.
I would be most grateful for any help that you can give me. I love and appreciate all of my family. If it weren’t for their hard work and love for each other, I wouldn’t be here today. But I feel a great yearning to know my unidentified ggggggrandmother–if it was indeed she, who was NA (and certainly, even if she wasn’t). My brothers, sisters and cousins are all lighter–and if I didn’t know my mother better, I could be almost convinced that she’d committed an indiscretion. But I look like my father’s mother, and now have pictures of her mother, and realize that I look like her, too. Once, while riding a pony around the block, a new neighbor actually screamed to her husband, “Bob, we’ve got wild Indians in this neighborhood!” when she saw my dark hair in a braid down my back. And people still ask me, what are you, Chinese, Japanese, or what? Sigh…
At any rate, many thanks for letting me join your list. I’m looking forward to many happy research hours here. Have a peaceful and properous New Year…
Nancy
December 30, 2005 at 10:10 pm #18426Nancy,
Are you inferring that William Conn is Amelia’s father?
Who were her siblings?
Is this the same person as William Young Conn?
Bill
December 30, 2005 at 10:10 pm #18491Nancy wrote:
“Amelia’s uncle, Stephen T. (sometimes mistakenly written as F.)Conn, married a woman named Elizabeth Richey. He was involved in a salt-well venture that resulted in lots of court cases in Wayne Co., KY. It turns out that many of the people he worked with are now documented as Melungeon. “
Dear Nancy,
Thanks for your interesting post. I have long been curious about the Cumberland River area that includes Wayne Co., KY and its descendant counties, and Scott Co., TN. While I have yet to be able to connect my lines of Steel, Steele, Hatfield, & Mounts from old Logan County Virginia, present day Mingo County, WV & Pike County [Old Floyd County], Kentucky, I have often wondered if there was a connection. My David Mounts had an early land grant in Floyd County, KY:
[1820 – KY Land Grants: Kentucky land Grants, Vol. 1, Part 1, Land Grant Warrants
1816-1873, p. 652. Grantee: Mounts, David. Acres: 50. Book R, p. 9. Date of
Survey: 11-3-1820. County: FLOYD. Watercourse: Tug Fork of Sandy River.
1820 – FLOYD CO. KY. David signs as surety, along with father-in-law Peter Cline,
Sr., a marriage bond for Peter Cline, [Jr.] to marry Mary SMITH. Consent:
Peter & Lizzie Cline. ]
As David was in the Cabell County, VA census that year this land was probably directly across from his land in Cabell County. A lot of business was done in KY because the court house was closer…..
The John Mounts from the Cumberland area was the other early Mounts grant listed in Kentucky Land Grants….. the areas do not seem too close to one another, though.
Apparently, Mounts, Hatfield, and others hunted for Conn.
Here are the references for anyone interested in looking at this interesting Cumberland River area lawsuit. Mr. Slavey’s transcripts can be found in the Cumberland River list archives:
Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 15:28:31 -0400
From: “Lanny R. Slavey” mailto:lrslavey@kih.net
To: CUMBERLAND-RIVER@rootsweb.com
Message-Id:
Subject: A deposition by William Conwell, part #2
The Deposition of William Conwell, from the Case of Conn v. Francis, Wayne
Co. KY, part #2
“……31st Question by same- Did or did not Conn exchange the Iron work that he
had made att the well for provisions for his hands and for skins which he
packed to Jacksborough and Abingdon & sold for his private bebefit
Answer- He did send off skins to Abingdon and Jacksborough several times
and pay the people that he had hunting to kill provision for his hands out
of the Iron work-
32-Question by same -How many persons had he hunting for him-
Answer-He had Blevins, Waters, Slavey, Mounce, Vawn, Borkout (sp.?
Burkart?), Chitwood, & three of the Hatfields all of whom he paid out of
the Iron & good that he brought to the well…….”
“Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1998 16:50:05 -0500
From: “Lanny R. Slavey” mailto:lrslavey@kih.net
To: CUMBERLAND-RIVER@rootsweb.com
Subject: Depositions by Jacob Brown, Jonathan Bleveins, and Martin Beaty
>From the Case of Conn v. Francis, Wayne Co. KY, circa 1820
The deposition of Jacob Brown & others Taken at the House of John Mounce’s
Wayne County Kentucky on the 15th January 1822 Between the Hours of 8
Oclock in the moring and 6 oclock in the Eavning to be Read as Evidence in
a souit in Chancery now Depending in the Wayne Circuit Cort Wherein Stephen
T. Conn is Complaintant & John Francis is Defendent the Said Deposition…..”
“Date: Mon, 09 Nov 1998 16:51:23 -0500
From: “Lanny R. Slavey” mailto:lrslavey@kih.net
To: CUMBERLAND-RIVER@rootsweb.com
Message-Id:
Subject: Depositions taken at Edward McCullom’s, part 1
The following several depositons were taken from the Case of Conn v.
Francis, Wayne Co. KY, circa 1820. This grouping was taken at the house and
office of Edward Mccullom, Justice of the Peace for Wayne Co. KY, both
located apparently in Monticello. The depositions were taken at differing
times, and I will group them and post them thusly:
Part 1: December 29, 1819, by John Mounts (or Mounce), John Jones, Fleming
Gregory, and Jonathan Blevins
Part 2: March 20, 1820, by Martin Beaty and Jonathan Blevins
Part 3: March 20, 1821, by John Parmely, John Jones, and William Conwell
Part 4: Nov. 23, 1821, by John Louis, John Semoore, Daniel Troxall, John
Lee, Felix Hawk, and Thomas C. Clemons.
Part 5: Nov. 24, 1821, by Martin Beaty
==============================================
Part 1: December 29, 1819, by John Mounts (or Mounce), John Jones, Fleming
Gregory, and Jonathan Blevins…”
Brenda
December 30, 2005 at 10:10 pm #18492Here is a link to the 1810 Wayne County, KY census. It’s worth looking at as some of the surnames that keep popping up are present. I copied a few of the surnames to entice folks to take a quick peek.
Brenda
http://www.rootsweb.com/~kywayne/censusrecords.html
“ADAIR, John 02001-01010-00
ANDERSON, Moses 11010-11010-00
ANDERSON, William 20010-30010-00
BESTRAM, William 10100-10100-00
BLEVINS, Richard 10001-31100-00
BLEVINS, Elisha 22120-31010-00
BLEVINS, John 10001-01101-00
BLEVINS, John 00100-20100-00
BLEVINS, Jonathan 31101-02110-00
BLEVINS, Jonathan 11101-10010-00
BLEVINS, Richard 30010-30010-00
BLEVINS, Talton 10001-10100-00
CILLE, Bigh 00010-30100-00
CILLS, Elias 10210-10100-00
COLLINS, James M. 31001-01010-00
COLLINS, Jonathan 02001-11111-00
COLLINS, Thomas 10100-10100-00
CONN, James Jr. 20010-10100-00
CONN, James Sr. 01011-01200-00
GIBSON, Archibald 00100-10100-00
GIBSON, George 00110-00000-10
GIBSON, Samuel 20001-20110-00
GREEN, Lewis 00100-00010-00
GREEN, Reynolds 00010-20100-00
GREEN, Robert 22010-30010-00
GREEN, William 00101-01101-00
GREEN, William 20110-12111-00
GREGORY, Edward 00010-00001-00
GREGORY, Fleming 02001-00010-00
GREGORY, Hiram 10100-30100-00
GREGORY, Mordaci 20010-10001-00
GREGORY, Nesech 31211-11100-00
HATFIELD, Eli 20010-00010-00
HATFIELD, John 10100-20100-00
HATFIELD, Milley 30002-01000-00
MINGO, Joseph 30010-32001-00
MOUNCE, John 31110-22010-00
PARISH, Burrel 30100-20100-04
PARMERLY, John 21001-21110-00
PARMERLY, John 10100-00100-00
PARMLY, John 20010-10010-00
PHILIPS, Cornelius 33001-02111-00
PHILIPS, George 00101-00000-00
PRICE, Benjamin 10100-00101-00
PRICE, William 00101-01000-00
SCOTT, Jacob 10100-30010-00
SCOTT, John 20012-12000-00
SCOTT, Martin 00101-10100-00
SCOTT, Nathaniel 10201-22010-11
SCOTT, William 10110-20100-00
SCOTT, William 32001-21110-00
SHAVER, Abraham 20010-20100-00
SHIRRIL, Isaac 32011-20110-00
SOLOMON, Henry 10010-10010-00
STEEL, Christian 00010-10100-00
STEEL, John 32110-00001-00
TROXEL, Christopher 00101-00001-00
TROXEL, Daniel 00112-01000-00
TROXEL, Peter 20010-20010-00
TROXELL, Jacob 10001-11010-00
TROXELL, Peter 20100-20100-00
WADE, Dawson 01101-00001-00
WADE, Elisha 11030-01000-00
WADE, John 10010-00010-00
WADE, Joseph 21110-21011-00
WADE, Richard 01102-11010-00
WADE, William 21001-02001-00
WALKER, Benjamin 00100-00100-00
WALKER, Ellis 00100-00100-00
WALKER, James 11201-31201-00
WALKER, Jeremiah 21010-30010-00
WALKER, Jesse 20010-40010-00
WALKER, Jesse 10000-00001-00
WALKER, John 30010-11010-00
WALKER, Johnston 00100-00100-00
WINN, Harmon 02010-31010-00″
December 30, 2005 at 10:10 pm #24556Hi. This is a very computer illiterate person here. I’m writing to ask that those of you who responded to my query please forgive my ignorance.
I did a search on my Amelia Conn’s family yesterday, and found two responses that I didn’t know I’d gotten (from Brenda Ferrell Sampsel and Bill Childs), and want to apologize for not having responded earlier. This was a year ago, so I am going to try to find Bill and Brenda’s emails and write to them personally, but if that doesn’t work, I hope this does.
First of all, thank you, Brenda, for all of the information on the county and people involved. You never know when just the right piece of information will pop something loose in an investigation! Have you found out any more about your families? If so, I’d be interested in knowing what you’ve found. Coincidentally, I read a post today on another board I subscribe to, the Looney board (my Looney family also lived in VA and various SE areas) about a Hatfield–I guess they were in lots of counties and states as well. I just thought it was a coincidence.
And Bill, yes, William Conn was the father of Amelia Conn. We know this from an 1852 chancery case, where someone was contesting something having to do with Amelia Conn’s inheritance. William, Amelia’s father, also had a sister, Amelia. She (the sister, that is) was called Amelia, Jr. because the mother of Amelia and William was ALSO called Amelia. She was Amelia Donaldson. And there were also other Amelia’s, presumably named after their aunt and grandmother. What a mess!!!! Anyway, my Amelia’s siblings were Antoinette, Harvey and Theodore P. Conn. We also know this from the chancery court document.
Although this family is well researched and documented, we DON’T know who William’s wife was. I recently went to Kentucky to look for any clues that I could find, and was heartened, on the one hand, to see the tons of documents that the Kentucky Department of Libraries and Archives had (if I only had time to look through them all!). On the other hand, it was nauseating to see the boxes and boxes of material that were still there, unarchived and not yet transcribed or copied, still wrapped in their hemp twine, and any one of which most genealogists would have given their right pinkie to know existed. And that didn’t even begin to touch the material that still is out there in Tennessee and Virginia.
So, thanks again to Brenda and Bill for your comments, and thanks to those of you who took the time to look at my query. In case I’m not able to renegotiate the turns on this board (dumbo me!), I’d appreciate any responses at my email: nsayed6266@aol.com. I know my Amelia’s mom is out there somewhere–I just have to find her!
Nancy
December 30, 2005 at 10:10 pm #24691Nancy,
You may need to go back into your saponitown member profile and make sure you’ve checked the option to be automatically notified of any replies to your posts.
Let me dig out the notes on your original inquiry and reacquaint myself with them.
Bill
December 30, 2005 at 10:10 pm #24821That’s a good idea, Bill. Please let me know if you have any information about the Conn family to share. I appreciate it.
Nancy
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