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May 12, 2005 at 7:55 pm #1548
Vance,
This is updated? or new
http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3072751&id=I603097204
Maybe you’ve seen?
Sue J
May 12, 2005 at 7:55 pm #14876I have talked to Woods researchers who know we are related to them. Let me look that up again. Thanks.
http://www.fortunecity.com/millennium/okehampton/1157/richey.htm
Above is my line. I think since my ancestors moved to Arkansas in 1844 and females are harder to trace (lost their maiden name) — they don’t mention us.
But the marriage of John Richey to Mary (Polly) Wood is listed in Gibson Couty marriages and are the marriages of a couple of other Richey/Woods who I am related to. One of John and Mary;s children was named Hamilton Woods Richey, with Woods his real middle name. He was geat grandpa’s uncle and he raided my great grandpa like a son in his household, as my great great grandparents both died by the time my great grandpa was 6 years old.
The Richey website does have an error too. It says Mary Woods was the daughter of Jojn Woods and Nancy Dickson, when she was the daughter of John Wods and Mary (Polly) Dickson. Nancy married James, John’s brother.
vance
May 12, 2005 at 7:55 pm #14877Sue, those dates can’t be right. That web site says —
Name: John WOODS
Birth: 1769 in , Albe., Virginia
Death: 1844
Father: Joseph WOODS b: 22 Aug 1745 in Charlottsville, Albemarle Co., VA
Mother: Mary HAMILTON b: 1747 in , Albe., Virginia
Marriage 1 Polly DICKSON b: Abt 1773
Children
UNKNOWN WOODS b: Abt 1824
Sarah WOODS b: Abt 1822
Jane WOODS b: Abt 1826
Joseph E. WOODS b: Abt 1810
James Hamilton WOODS b: 1812
John WOODS b: Abt 1814
James WOODS b: Abt 1816
William P. W. WOODS b: Abt 1818
Hugh WOODS b: Abt 1820
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Were this true Polly, b. 1773, and married early 1790s, would have been having her first child at the age of 37, and would have been married about 20 years before having it. According to the above, she’d have been 53 years old when she had her youngest child.
Yes, it definitely needs to be updated . . . thanks for showing it to me. I’ll look at it more closely and compare it to what I have.
Vance
May 12, 2005 at 7:55 pm #14878Here is part of what I have. I was just sent this in the mail a few weeks ago by someone also descended from the same family. They told me they were hoping to run into a “Richey” as we were the branch they hadn’t known much about, and hoped we’d know something about the Dickson’s — of course I don’t . . .
They said it was put down at a 1909 family reunionin Indiana — since my family left there in 1844 we are not mentioned, but they knew of us in Arkansas.
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It says —
John Woods 1769 – ?, married Polly Dickson
Children —
Maj. Joseph E. Woods married 1814 Nancy Embree [note, my direct ancestor from John Richey and Mary Woods was Joseph E. Richey]
Hugh Woods married 1822 Nancy Wheeler
John Woods, married 1825 Lucinda Barker
Sarah woods married 1828 James Johnson [note: some Johnsons lived in the same household as my Richey’s in Arkansas on one census record]
Jane Woods married 1818 George Humphreys
James Woods married ? Hawkins
William P. W. Woods married 1835 Suckey Rowden
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many of the names are the same but the dates on that website are waaaaay off.
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My distant Woods relation that I just met online a month ago said when I showed her my line “the family you mention is Joseph’s.” and “You are definitely frm John [Woods] and Mary Dickson family.” John was Joseph’s son. This lady has done more research on these people than anyone I have ever run across.
and she also said —
“The deeds that you mentioned for Patrick and Joseph . . . ones to which I referred . . . Mt Miserable, was a huge pile of clam shells that existed and is mentioned in the “Morton Rockbridge County History.” [note: deeds they bought in what was then Augusta Co, but later became Rockbridge Co., Va.
Apparently in the land they bought was a huge pile of clam shells — sounds like a food dump for the local Indians, where they tossed the bones, debris and leftovers the dogs didn’t or couldn’t scavange. I have no idea what the Morton Rockbridge County History is, but I want to find out.
She also told me the following about Joseph Woods, and I want to followup and ask what she meant —
she said — Joseph never revealed his family . . . foundling? . . . raised by a Woods? Left with no family feeling????? [the three dots (. . .) are hers, not mine]. Was Joseph Woods an orphan? I wonder.
She had never considered the possibility that they might be Indian. When I suggested it, and asked if she had heard anything about it, she replied —
“Your suggestion that the Woods/Hamiltons/Dickson’s were Indian might have something to do with Joseph not talking about his father or family. In Indiana where they lived there were Indian attacks I’ve read. He did seem to be on the border often.”
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Well, maybe we are getting closer.
Vance
May 12, 2005 at 7:55 pm #14880That’s GREAT Vance! NOW we still need to find out where that Allen name comes in..I’m in pursuit right now of some of those names in Tennessee from your French Broad River posting…Butler is another name of mine..comes in through the Hunts and possibly very later as my great grandfather was Charles BUTLER Stott. And the earlier Butlers were in Giles co Tn and Lauderdale Al and Mt. Pleasant, Arkansas. Just started researching this. Will post when I can make sense of it.
Sue J
May 12, 2005 at 7:55 pm #14887Doublehead’s Reservation was in Lauderdale county, Alabama, ad he leased that land out to settlers.
vance
May 12, 2005 at 7:55 pm #14893Vance,
I just posted on the History section for the French Broad land grants..etc. etc.
on the Butler..
Some of the Butlers were in Giles and on to Lauderdale Al. I wanted to wait to post this when I had it more figured out but some of it I have..such as Thomas, son of John, son of Issac, son of Thomas…married mary Elizabeth Ingram. She born in 30 may 1809 in Alabama. Father is Benjamin Ingram and mother Sarah Mason. Sarah is buried in the Ingram Cemetery in Lauderdale Al. There is a Butler cemetery there too with lots of Butlers.
Another son of John, is John..married to Edith Jerome Biles. John and Thomas both are sons of John Butler and Mary Hunt..another daughter of Memucan Hunt. Gets more complicated beyond this. Am still researching. Sue J
May 12, 2005 at 7:55 pm #14910Sue,
I have done some research in that part of N. Al. There seem to have been quite a few Cherokee, Creek, Chickasaw, and mixed bloods that settled on the Tennessee River, from Decatur to Muscle Shoals in N Alabama. In the original old Blount Co., Alabama (not to be confused with Blount Co., Tn) Upper Creek Red Sticks that survived the battle of Horseshoe Bend were settled under the protection of Richard Brown, the commander of the Cherokee forces who helped defeat them. They were there in “Brown’s Valley” when last mentioned about 1838, and there were 200 or more of them. Many Cherokee also lived there in brown’s Valley in N Alabama. Interestingly, these people in Brown’s Valley — both reek and Cherokee — are not listed as those who travelled the Trail of Tears to Oklahoma, nor is it mentioned that they went to Oklahoma before that time. They simply dissapear from historical records. This Tennessee River Valley is also the location of Melton’s Bluff, where the Cherokee Melton’s settled.
There are Colbert County and Lauderdale County Alabama websites that tell how Chickasaw Chief George Colbert and Doublehead both lived in those counties, and how Doublehead’s daughters married George Colbert. This is a very well documented fact, as Doublehead has descendants who are enrolled as Chickasaw, who are descended from the 2 famous chiefs.
Also settled on this stretch of the Tennesse River are many veterans of the Red Stick Creek campaign in 1813, most being historically recorded as White, but I wonder — many of these do seem to have Virginia surnames associated with the Saponi and their allies.
Interesting how all these surnames are in that region . . .
I believe I have mentioned all of this before, and it should come up under a search for it.
Vance
May 12, 2005 at 7:55 pm #16567Found a great reference for Gibson Co., In
http://www.rootsweb.com/~ingibson/
Go there and click on “Gibson County History” — pdf file — and click on it. It will take a while as it is over a thousand pages. It mentions Indians that lived near the area — Piankashaw, Miama and Shawnee are mentioned. The Piankashaw and Miami are the same tribe I’m pretty sure. They were attacked and forced out of the county about 1803 or so.
So when that church named “Blackfoot Church” — said to have been named after some “Blackfoot Indians that lived in the area — was created in the 1790s, it was probably speaking of these Shawnee and Piankashaw.
It might be interesting to look up records of any Shawnee and Miama that were in Southern Indiana, and see if any other remnant tribes travelled with them, or were allied with them.
My Woods moved to this region 3 years after these Indiains had been defeated and removed from this area. The local population appears to be very antagonistic towards Indians. Anyone who was mixed-Indian who moved in the area would try to hide it.
At one point the narrative says Joseph Woods was born in Ireland and in another place it says he was born in Albamarle Co., Virginia. The Irish narrative says they went from Ireland to Va to Ky to In. The other story says he was born in Va, went to Wheeling, W Va, to Blount Co, Tn, to In. Historic documents support the 2nd story more than the first. I have talked to other researchers — who don’t care if he had Indian blood or not — who say they don’t buy the Irish story. I’ve got to keep an open mind, tho, so I just don’t know which version is true.
Vance
May 12, 2005 at 7:55 pm #16570Vance,
I traced a family from Blackfoot Town to Gibson County, IN. And Lynella’s line may connect up also, if they can connect with the Ricketts in the Blackfoot Cemetery.
Techteach
May 12, 2005 at 7:55 pm #16573Cindy —
When did your family arrive there, ow long did they stay, and when did they leave? What were their surnames?
Same questions to Lynella.
That is a pdf file — it lets you copy it to yr computer but I haven’t figured out how to copy and paste anything — frustrating when it has a long section on my Woods ancestors and relatives who are there. I wanna copy and paste bits of it to files I am keeping on my family — parts pertaining to my Woods family — but I can not do it.
vance
May 12, 2005 at 7:55 pm #16580Vance,
I sent you a private email. I have not established a connection with the Masons there. It is a name that marries into my Sinkeys.
Techteach
May 12, 2005 at 7:55 pm #16583Vance, you could probably take a screen shot of those pdf pages, then run that through an OCR (optical character reader) reader. That software tends to be included with scanner software.
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