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I have been doing some reading, and I am wondering about the connection between the Tutelo-Saponi and the Mingo, or ‘Seneca of the Sandusky’. If anyone has any info., I would be most interested.
Pila huc!
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Todd (‘Tohkai’)
Todd,
This is something I have been looking at a bit. My Sinkeys (once I thought that this name came from a name for Seneca that I saw on a treaty – Siniker) lived near Logan’s (Mingo chief) family in PA. The Sinkey (and Huston) line carries the Blackfoot designation, we believe. Both Deb and I share sibling ancestors who had the same story and came from right near Standing Stone (Huntington), PA. Indeed, the step grandson of the ggggrandmother who carried the Blackfoot ID said that Indians who lived near where he grew up in PA were Cornplanter Seneca. And Logan moved very near them when he left the Susquehanna. And I have seen the name Huston as the English name carried by Seneca who lived in the same central PA area.
Techteach
One of the first leads I ever got was of a roadside marker in Elkins, WV referring to the “Blackfoot of the Seneca.” This is an area full of people referred to as “Mingo,” which technically means Iroquoian people not under the jurisdiction of the Six Nations. We know the Saponi/Tutelo were part of the amalgam of tribes under Seneca leadership during the F&I war, so it does make sense.
Just a thought , back way back when afterthe F&I war , there were many Saponi and others scattered around with the iroquians, is it possible that many of them had moved together to this Elkins VA area, it seems odd that after so long the Tutelo folks would still be visible at Six Nations but not the Saponi!
Maybe this should be looked into?
Rick Haithcock pointed out a number of very familiar surnames in upstate NY counties, Cayuga and Oneida counties I believe they were called. It was all the names we’re familiar with, and it just happened to be the last place the Saponi were mentioned historically.
I mentioned my theories about the WV business in the Blackfoot article I wrote, linked of the main page, http://www.saponitown.com/blackfoot.htm There’s lots o f documentation of the Tutelo being one of the tributary tribes of the League in PA. A movement into WV after the loss of PA territory is logical and corroborated by local records.
One of the names that I have in my family, Cooley, came to the Licking County, Ohio location from the location in New York where Six Nations meetings were held. From there, several went on to Iowa. Tom, I saw many of your Hardins yesterday, in the same cemetery with these Cooleys.
Cindy
Tech, did you see a James Hardin there? Did you actually go there?
I’d like to hear more of this, to say the least I really believe that many of these Blackfoot folks in WI and Iowa did know that each other was there, and probably could count on each other for atleast friendship etc.
You never know maybe they met way out in the boonies and “Stomped”!
I think it would be very cool to find some hint of our folks in these way out areas getting together and and singing , dancing, feasting etc! I hope that one day I see many on this forum at a real old time get together.!
Tom,
I did not record first names. I did not have time. I wanted to visit my grandmother who is 90 and have supper with my sister who I haven’t seen since Christmas. I did see lots of Hardins though, in that cemetery. One of the cousins who I have communicated with several times as I have searched in the last couple of years said that the family got together once a year and that one of my gggreat uncles would dance. I am not sure how or if the Hardins were involved. I know that there was some intermarriage but I do not see close intermarriage in my genealogy. I am afraid that, while my gggrandmother smoked a pipe and never cut her hair, her family was not allowed to be part of my ggrandparents family. My ggrandmother would not even sit in the same room with her. It was because of the Indian thing.
Hardin appears to be a first name used by a couple in my family, indicating a connection.
Cindy
techteach;7473 wrote:
I am afraid that, while my gggrandmother smoked a pipe and never cut her hair, her family was not allowed to be part of my ggrandparents family. My ggrandmother would not even sit in the same room with her. It was because of the Indian thing.
Cindy
Hello! I am so curious when you say, the Indian thing, what context you mean. Here in Kansas I have met many Ponca’s, Kiowa’s, Comanche’s and Cheyenne and some still practice that a daughter-in-law cannot enter the home of her mother-in-law and many have a special chair on the front porch for them to sit while the son’s visit their mothers.
~suthainn
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