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I’m sure many of us have run into this phenomenon….. just maybe not to this extent. You are on a family forum and see where someone has traced a different “John” to YOUR ancester.
I noticed it with my Satterfield line. My James and Sarah stayed in Flat River at the homeplace but “they” also went west with my James’ siblings.
Well, I was just on a Montgomery researcher’s site and noticed that my William 1( Ireland to Pa), William 2(Pa to Guilford Co NC), James (NC to Carroll Co Va 1800)(Brothers are Robert, William, Samuel,,all came to Va), BUT…………. James, Robert, William, and Samuel also migrate to ……….. SC………. Ga………. Ky……… and Carroll Co, Ind…………. all at the same time!!!!
They had different wives at each location….marrying Martins, Stewarts, Spences, Collins, et al……. things that make you go HUUUUUUUUUMMMMM 😉
Yeah, sometimes I try to figure out if some of these guys really did travel around and marry multiple wives… and sometimes I chalk it up to another unfortunate phenomenon… a tendency toward a certain lack of creativity in naming — both that whole formal ‘1st son after father’s father’ thing, combined with cousins of about the same age who name their kids, which they have at the same time, the same darn thing. I mean if your name is Elizabeth Smith, do you Have to name your daughter Jane, just like your sisters daughter who was born about the same time? Sheesh, what were these people thingking? Guess they weren’t being too considerate of us amateur genealogists of the future. And then they have to go change the spelling and whether they use the first of second name several times in the same lifetime, just to differentiate themselves from that darn cousin, I suppose. Wish I knew the nicknames! And that they showed up more often in records.
I feel yer pain, Dreaminghawk!
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Hana, I think we are seeing something more than just cousins using the same names. Tonight I have been finding the same thing with my Meadows line. I went to Genweb-NC-Meadows. Got 200+ posts. All claim to descend from my Daniel Meadows of Granville Co. I can take you to the graves of him and all his children and their wives and offspring…… as they are all within a couple of miles of me……. but people in 10 different states are claiming that his children migrated to their location….. and have census records and cemeteries to prove it.
I contend that as indians, blacks and mixed race people left an eastern area, they took a set of names with them to use when they got there. …… often with the blessing of those who stayed behind with the same names. ( I say this because the couple who migrated to Ky and used the names of my James and Elizabeth Satterfield were travelling with true siblings of my James and Elizabeth who stayed at the homeplace in NC) What I find fascinating is the denial of current researchers who cannot or will not see the obvious.
Oh Sh-t! That Could explain a few things.
I’m not as far along as you, but will keep it in mind for the future. Certainly I’m having a related problem, I think, with a bunch of Richard Hugheses all in the same area, then going in different directions — so far my Richard has no apparent forebears, but he’s the one that uses the Emery middle name, which I’m told came into popularity just before his time among Cherokee, to honor John? Amory. And there seem to be suddenly a proliferation of Thomas Jefferson Hugheses (read that in that era it was common to give NDN children super-patriot names to help with passing).
Don’t know if my case is like yours but will keep the possibility in mind. (Sorry for the facetiousness before.)
Hana says >>>>> Don’t know if my case is like yours but will keep the possibility in mind. (Sorry for the facetiousness before.)
Hana, no apology needed………. some of this stuff we need to laugh about………… my lines consistently used “Doctor”, “General”, and “Squire” as given names. …… just like they were John or William …… LOL
You are right about the same name cousins, too. Often names are used in almost every line of every generation. John who isn’t a Jr may be son of Robert ….who is brother of John ….with John as a grandfather.
I cannot connect John Isaac Satterfield to the original settler, Radford Satterfield, with documents, but the fact that the name Radford is persistent in my lines is a good indicator.
You mentioned “Junior”. THAT isn’t even a guarantee “Jr” is a son or “Sr”. I have seen record of a “John Brown Junior”, and the very next words say, “son of Richard Brown”. Richard had a brother named John and later John had a son also named John Brown, who was called Junior. I suppose they called Richard’s son “John Junior” to differentiate him from Richard’s brother, aka John Brown, whom they started calling John Brown Sr. However John and Richard’s father was also John Brown . . . so Richards brother John Brown Sr was called John Brown Jr earlier in life. And John and Richard had brothers, 2 I can think of were David and Alexander. These had sons named John, and Richard, and David, and . . . with these boys all being cousins with the same name . . . oh, there was also a James, can’t forget him. Probly others I forgot, too.
They were pretty prolific, as today you can look in any phone book anywhere in the country and see “John Brown” in it. 🙂
vance
ps — no foolin & I wouldn’t be pullin yer leg about this. hope this wasn’t confusin’ — but from the nature of your post I think you’ll understand perfectly . . .
Vance, if it wasn’t for confusion, then it wouldn’t be interesting. LOL …….. Another good example is my Bumpass lines…. “Fighting John” was father to “Tar River John” making him John Jr.
“Fighting John” had a brother. Samuel, I think(don’t have notes in front of me), who was father to “Flat River John” who had a son, “Deerhead John” making him John Jr……… nephew of John Jr.
Confused? Who? Me? 😉 and they all married Elizabeth’s and Anne’s
Dreaminghawk, Hana, Vance,
Boy! You guys have just wooped my backside! My heads spinnin’ I know what you’re saying. I’ve seen it too in my lines but I don’t think nearly as bad as “ALL THOSE JOHNS!” And then, like Hana said, I named my second sone Carl after my dad. So a couple years later my older brother calls me and says,”hey, it’s a boy, we named him Carl.” “O.K. so whats his middle name?” And he ran off something like, Carl Thomas Washington Monroe Ashby…..”Good, mine’s Carl Lee.” So we have Carl Lee and Carl T. I feel the most sorry here for Bill. He’s been helping me a lot and he’s come across a bunch of this stuff. Boy howdy, what that man must endure! I can’t even begin to imagine the cross-eyed headaches he must get. Poor thing!;) Love & Light, Lynella.
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