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December 17, 2004 at 4:57 am #1273
hi cousins does anyone know where I can get a copy of the treaty that ourt saponi folks signed in Va wayback. I am kinda collecting copies of family members signatures on those worthless peices of papers, worthless except that I get to see what someone or they themselves put as their names. thankyou renee
December 17, 2004 at 4:57 am #12362Howdy —
To what treaty are you referring? When was it written? It must have been in colonial days . . . I’d love to hear more about it.
thanks
vance
December 17, 2004 at 4:57 am #12371Ok well I have heard iof a treaty in Va with saponi leaders and maybe some like seneca maybe tuscarora ‘s too maybe . but they . someone told me about the treaty and who the “chiefs ” names were that signed it . I would like to get a copy of it . I will ask john exactly when this treaty happened . I figured early 1600’s for Va.
December 17, 2004 at 4:57 am #12403🙂 Hey! I might have a book with something about that in it. I’ll try to dig around & find it. Do you know what the Chief’s names were? This would indeed be interesting.:) Love & Light, Lynella. P.S. Stay warm!
December 17, 2004 at 4:57 am #12425There was the treaty of the Middle Plantation. Don’t remember exact dates or significance. There’s also the agreements made when the Seneca and Saponi were forced to put down their feud. That was 1722, I believe.
December 17, 2004 at 4:57 am #12430Linda, where could person find a copy of what was said in that treaty? Is it online?
thanks
vance
December 17, 2004 at 4:57 am #12431Vance,
Try this link…
http://www.virginiaplaces.org/settleland/treaties.html
If you click on “Treaty of Middle Plantation” and then scroll down to the bottom, it lists who signed and which tribe they were representing.
Stacey
December 17, 2004 at 4:57 am #12434thanks! 🙂
here is a list of those who signed the treaty
Signe Title and Tribe
Queen Pomunckey on behalfe of herselfe, &
the severall Indians under her Subjection.
King of the Nottowayes
Cap’t John West, sonne to
the Queen of Pamunkey.
Peracuta, King of the Appomattux.
Queen of Wayonaoake.
King of the Nanzem’d.
Pattanochus, King of the Nansatiocoes,
Nanzemunds, & Portabacchoes.
Shurenough, King of the Manakins.
Mastegonoe, young King of the Sappones.
Tachapoake, Chiefe man of the Sappones.
Vnuntsquero, Chiefe man of the Maherians.
Horehonnah, next Chiefe man of the Maherians.
Article 7 of the treaty mentions the following —
. That the said Indians have and enjoy theire wonted conveniences of Oystering, fishing, and gathering Tuccahoe, Curtenemmons, wild oats, rushes, Puckoone, or any thing else for their natural Support not usefull to the English
— end quote —
Notice it mentions the gathering of “Tuccahoe”.
The website begins with teh folowing words —
VIRGINIA COLONIAL RECORDS.
Govern’r & the Councill of our Colony and
Plantacon of Virginia in The West Indys.
Treaty Between Virginia And The Indians 1677
— end quote —
vance
December 17, 2004 at 4:57 am #12435Yes this is great I found it too and came and found you all already have it , so I will put the actual page link so folks can find the actual signings/signatures of all of our possible relations .
http://www.baylink.org/treaty/signes.html
I haven’t found the actual seneca/saponi treaty yet . I am still hunting though . renee
December 17, 2004 at 4:57 am #12437Are these the Seneca/Saponi Treaty that you were thinking of?
…By the treaty of Albany (1722) the Iroquois agreed to stop incursions on the Virginia Indians and, probably about 1740, the greater part of the Saponi and the Tutelo moved north stopping for a time at Shamokin, Pa., about the site of Sunbury. One band, however, remained in the south, in Granville County, N. C., until at least 1756, when they comprised 14 men and 14 women. In 1753 the Cayuga Iroquois formally adopted this tribe and the Tutelo….
http://www.saponitown.com/Saponi.htm
…Finally, Governor Spotswood, hoping to put an end to the warfare between the Iroquois and the southern tribes, in 1722 promoted the Albany (N.Y.) Conference, at which a peace treaty was signed by the Five Nations of the Iroquois and their allies, the Tuscarora, Shawnee, and others on the one hand, and by Virginia and its tributary Indians on the other. Thus the long war ended and peace finally came in Virginia to “the Nottoways, Meherrins, Nansemonds, Pamunkeys, Chichominys, and the Christanna Indians” ~ called ‘Todirich-roones’ by the Iroquois, and comprising ‘the Saponies, Ockineeckees, Stenkenocks [Stegarakes], Meipontskys, [Ontponeas] & Toteroes,’ all of whom were grouped at “Sapponey Indian town,” which was “about a musket-shot from the fort.'”…
http://www.saponitown.com/VirginiaNativeHistory.htm
Both of these excerpts were found on this website under the Historical Articles, but I haven’t been able to find the actual verbage for the Treaty yet.
Stacey
December 17, 2004 at 4:57 am #12438wow that is the info . now to find the treaty or whatever it was called then. thank you stacy andall for this help . renee
December 17, 2004 at 4:57 am #12440Those are both fo the treaties I’m aware of. Let us know if you find the what the Middle Plantation treaty stated.
December 17, 2004 at 4:57 am #12448Yeah!:) This has been interesting!
December 17, 2004 at 4:57 am #32116stacey.23 wrote: Vance,
Try this link…
http://www.virginiaplaces.org/settleland/treaties.html
If you click on “Treaty of Middle Plantation” and then scroll down to the bottom, it lists who signed and which tribe they were representing.
Stacey
I know we have a sticky of the Saponi treaty, but there is some good info here.
December 17, 2004 at 4:57 am #32123Originally Posted by stacey.23 Vance,
Try this link…
http://www.virginiaplaces.org/settleland/treaties.html
If you click on “Treaty of Middle Plantation” and then scroll down to the bottom, it lists who signed and which tribe they were representing.
Stacey
I know we have a sticky of the Saponi treaty, but there is some good info here.__________________
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