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http://history.sandiego.edu/gen/maps/1600s/1685newamsterdam3200.jpg
Old 1685 Dutch map with E Md and De called “Tuckwoghs”.
Is this “Tuckahoe”?
Vance
Vance,
I can’s answer your question, but I found this : http://www.ccmagazine.org/features/smith.htm
Techteach
Vance,
Now look at this site : http://www.wsu.edu:8080/~wldciv/world_civ_reader/world_civ_reader_2/john_smith.html The implication here is that the Tuckwoghs did not speak the language of the Powhatan (Wasn’t that Algonquin?) nor the language of the Susquehannocs (Wasn’t that Iroquois?)
Perhaps dialects made it difficult, but isn’t this interesting?
Techteach
It is interesting. I still suspiscion it’s a variant of Tutelo. It’s quite possible that the second t was a more gutteral sound, and the l was more an r sound, causing lots of confusion in the way English speakers mangled it.
Thanks Cindy,
What you found says the Tuckwogh were traditional enemies of the Susquehanna.
What I read about the term “Tuckahoe” is that the term was used to describe the people from “Tidewater” Virginia. Not being a Virginian, I have to guess as to the meaning of “tidewater”, but I’d guess it would mean those from the shoreline. Wouldn’t that suggest those from closer to the Chesapeake Bay and Maryland?
Knowing more about how Maryland was settled and her early history might help.
Linda,
Your idea might explain the “Blackfoot” Indians on the Maryland/Delaware border or near Conoy Town. “Blackfoot” Town, Maryland (Dagsboro) may have been there a long time.
Maybe there are early day Dutch records stored away somewhere. The Dutch used the term “Tuckwogh” on that early map. Smith might have been using the Dutch term. Does anyone speak 17th century Dutch? 🙂
vance
Ran across this…
Volume 62 No. 1 March 1992 Order Form
Susquehannock Trade Northward to New France
Prior to A.D. 1608: A Popular Misconception
James F. Pendergast
ABSTRACT
First-hand accounts of John Smith’s encounter with the
Susquehannock Iroquoians and the Tockwogh band of the
Nanticoke Algonquians at the head of Chesapeake Bay in
July 1608 are contrasted with an erroneous conclusion long
proffered by American, British, and Canadian scholars,
commencing as early as 1747 who would have the Susque-
hannocks trading for European goods with the French on
the St. Lawrence River and in the Strait of Belie Isle.
Thanks! It would be interesting to see his sources.
Susquehanna could have still traded with the French, tho.
But the reference to the Tuckwogh as a band of Nanticoke was very interesting. I only found a few references to the Totra, none wee outside of Maryland.
vance
There’s that reference to the Toterro River, now called the Big Sandy, in Brenda Sampson’s neck of the woods. It was on an early map. I wrote about it on another thread. Was his name Briceland? The UVA professor who wrote “Into the Wilderness” I think the name was. (Then again that could be the name of one of the two romance novels I’ve ever read, haha.) He figured out that the route of the present Norfolk and Southern Railroad is the same as the old Indian path that was a Piedmont Siouan thoroughfare from Richmond to the Big Sandy, crossing over into Kentucky and Ohio thereabouts.
Look for an excellent post by PappyDick towards the bottom of this page:
It’s “Westward from Virginia,” by Briceland, who’s a professor at Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond.
Here’s the post where I reported on Briceland’s observations about the path from Richmond to the Big Sandy:
http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=907&highlight=norfolk+and+southern
Here’s a link to the Norfolk and Southern Railroad…I clicked on the second link there on the map..pretty detailed…
Sue J
http://www.norfolksouthernhs.org/history.html
Totero Town know Radford Va this is were i live been here all
my life the railroad follows the New River through here into
West Va. my Damron ‘s were in Mingo and Wayne Co. Wv. has
well has Floyd Co KY on the Big Sandy River and alot of them
still live there just had the annual Damron reuion in Wayne Co
WV.
Lee
Lee, I have an ancestor born in Albamarle Co., Va in 1745 — Joseph Wood/Woods. He married Mary Hamilton in 1768 and they moved to Rockbridge County within a year. I don’t know who Joseph or Mary’s parents were.
Altho I can’t trace my ancestors to the Monacan, 2 of their surnames are Hamilton and Woods, and they are in Rockbridge County.
vance
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