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Hi Everyone,
The last couple days I’ve been working on my Etheredge line….remember back when I told you all I had reason to believe Caleb Etheredge married Sally Thrower. Well in the last days I have learned her mother was Phoebe Malone….her grandmother was Mary Wynne…ggrandmother Mary Jones…gggrandmother Margarent Wood and ggggrandmother Ann Jeffries. Joshua Wynne the indian interpreter is in this lineage apparently in 1702 he was part of the group that went north to work the treaty with the Seneca he was shot and killed in 1715 by a Sappony indian in retaliation of the killing of a great man in the tribe. One of Joshua servants apparently killed the Sappony and he was killed to even the score….one great man for one great man is what the Saponny told the court and no one was convicted of his death. From this lineage it appears there is considerable NA in this line…whether it is Saponi or Nottoway is questionable. I welcome any thoughts or comments you many have about what I have learned. BTW when Joshua went north in 1702 he went with the Nottoway and Meherrin.
Linda
Hi Linda,
Have you been able to confirm the information (check the source) about Phoebe Malone’s maternal line?
Bill
No, I haven’t Bill but I did notice there seems to be a disagreement as to who were the parents of Mary Wynne . I wish I was closer so I could go look in the courthouse. I’m not even sure if Sally Thrower married Caleb Etheredge we only have one mariage bond on Caleb and that was in 1823 to a Mary Wheeles. Caleb was 72 when this marriage took place and his last child was born around 1803. Also the Etheredge line has tested their DNA. Since most of the descendents come from my Caleb’s brothers and their DNA shows no NA then it came into our line with Caleb’s marriage or his son Thomas’s marriage. Caleb was born in 1751 and Thomas in the 1780’s in Halifax County. The only thing we know about Thomas’s wife is her name was Rebecca. Thomas’s daughter Lurana married Thomas Etheredge who fought in the Civil War. Yes her fathers name was Thomas Etheredge and her husband was also Thomas Etheredge :D. It was these two who had Mary Susan who married John Moore. These two I heard stories about when I was small. My grandmother referred to them as Grandma Mary and Grandpa John. Mary died when she was 6 and John died the year before she was born so her older siblings (she was the baby) must have kept the memories of theirgrandparents alive. I was told John W. Moore was a great man. I have pretty muchproven he was of Nottoway descent but it is his wife Mary Susan that puzzles us we have pictures and the lady was without a doubt a mixed blood. We just wish we could figure out were it entered the Etheredge line. Her father Thomas Etheredge was the son of Jordon Etheredge and unknown mother….Jordon was the son of Nathan Etheredge who we cannot connect anywhere and his wife Keziah unknown. I could really use some expert help with these Etheredge’s. Jordan was born in 1793 and his father Nathan probably around 1750’s (just guessing on this).
Linda
Linda,
I’m going to post this here in order to keep the info consolidated.
………………A trail of THROWER data……………….
John Throer. HR (headright), 1673.
(“Early Virginia Families Along the James River”, Vol II, ‘Charles City Co., Virginia’ by Louise P.H.Foley 1983)
Jno. Thrower. Witnessed Will of John Banks of Little Creek, Jan. 26, 1675/6; Book 4F.8, Norfolk Co., Va. Will Proven Feb 15, 1675/6.
John Thrower. Witnessed Jan. 27, 1688/9 Norfolk Co.., Va, Will of Richard Williams of the Little Creek, Co. of Lower Norfolk, Planter. Book 5F.244. Will Proven Mar. 15, 1694/5.
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Thomas Thrower, 1701. Page 53, Landowners and HR’s from “Cavaliers and Pioneers, Vol 3” by Nell Marion Nugent, 1953.
1704 Virginia Quit Rent Rolls:
Alice Thrower, Princess Ann Co., 125 acres
Edward Thrower, Prince George Co., 150 acres.
John Thrower, Prince George Co., 250 acres.
Thomas Thrower, Prince George Co., 150 acres.
(Prn. Ann Co was created in 1691 from Lower Norfolk Co.
Prn. George Co was created in 1702 from Charles City Co.)
From “Register of Albemarle Parish, Surry & Sussex Counties, Virginia 1739-1778” Births, compiled by Nat’l Society of Colonial Dames of America, 1958.
1741 – Mrs Phebe Thrower, p.24.
1741 – Thomas Thrower, p.24.
(I’m not certain how else to interpret this entry except that Thomas is the son of Mrs Phebe Thrower.
Since Sussex Co wasn’t created until 1754 from Surry Co., this birth must have been in Surry Co., Va.)
Because there isn’t another Thomas Thrower in the 1740’s time period that’s been found (yes, that’s a caution! ), Thomas, b. 1741, Surry Co., Va., may be the same person as the Thomas Thrower, “b.before 1750, d. 1787 Halifax Co., NC, m’d Elizabeth _?_, b. unkn, d. unkn” in World Family Tree Vol. 12, Tree 1475, who is listed in that tree as the father of Jesse Thrower, b.abt. 1766 NC, d. 1831 Chatham Co., NC; who m’d Linsey/Lucy Scarboro/Scarbrough in January 1787 Wake Co., NC.
Jesse Thrower is on the 1790 Wake Co., NC census, p.102, ennum’d as “10300”, and there are 3 Scarbrough families nearby.
Jesse Thrower is on the 1830 Chatham Co., NC Census, p.414 in Pittsboro. Household contained:
1 male 20 to 29.
1 male 60 to 69.
1 female 60 to 69.
Also in 1830 Chatham Co is a John Thrower household, he age 20 to 29.
And a Thomas Thrower household, he aged 20 to 29, traced to 1840 McNairy Co., Tenn, and 1850 Stoddard Co., Mo where he is 55, b.NC with wife Martha, 38, b.NC, with an Agness Fields, 61, b.NC in their household with 7 children; 2 b. NC, 3 b.Tn, 2 b.Mo.
This should be the Thomas who m’d 20 Dec 1817 Orange Co., NC Elizabeth Shephard and m’d 2nd in abt 1828 NC, Martha “Patsey” Fields, listed in the same WFT Vol 12 Tree 1475 cited above.
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Bill
Bill,
Sally Throwers father was Thomas Thrower we have his will. We believe her mother was Phoebe Malone or perhaps this Elizabeth some say she was a Brown i don’t really know for certain. Sally definitely married one of the Etheredge brothers because in her father’s will she is listed as Sally Etheredge. Caleb Etheredge and his brother Abel witnessed Thomas Throwers will. On the 1790’s census the Throwers and the Etheredge’s live very near each other. Halifax County, NC
The best i can figure Thomas Thrower moved from Prince George county Virginia I believe he had land on the Sapponey Creek. Like I said we know Sally married an Etheredge and because Abel married Sally McClain we feel pretty sure Sally married Caleb but we can’t find a marriage bond if one even exists it was not required by law so maybe they didn’t get one. We have also been looking into who Thomas Etheredge married and it looks like it’s a good possibly he married Rebecca Taylor. I will list the lineage for her to se if you have any ideas on this:
Rebecca Taylor daughter of Thomas Teackle Taylor and Celia Little…..Celia Little daughter of Abraham Little and Amy LLewelyn….Amy LLewellyn daughter of William Llewelyn and Frances Culpepper….Frances Culpepper daughter of Henry Culpepper III and Elizabeth unknown…. Henry Culpepper son of Henry Culpepper and Mary Richardson….Henry Culpper son of Henry Culpepper and Elizabeth Green. The Culpepper’s, Richardson and Greens lived in Lower Norfolk County Va. The Taylor’s came out of the Prince George area of Virginia. The Little’s out of New England. ALL of these families ended up in North Carolina int he 1700’s. I keep looking and looking and getting look ups but CAleb and Thomas Etheredge do NOT have marriage bonds. Also there are Jordon and Nathan Etheredge we are clueless about these two they just don’t fit into the other Etheredge line. On the 1850 census of Edgecombe county Jordan is listed with a VERY young wife and Thomas and Lurana live with him and Mary Susan is there also she is 3. Nathan Etheredge’s estate mentions Jordan, Hollowell, Cader and Redderick as his children his wife is Kisiah. Nathan dies int he 1820’s and Hollowell and Cader soon follow him in death. We can’t find Jordan on the 1860 census so we feel he has died also. Redderick is the only one still living in 1860. Jordan did not leave a will but I am postive he was Thomas’s father. Thomas died in 1864 due to wounds received at Cedar Creek Virginia in the Civil War. Mary Susan is only 16 at this time. She soon marries John W. Moore who we believe was a good friend of her fathers. Like i have said before my Etheredges claim to be Cherokee my grandmother did not claim this. She said they came from Virginia went to South Carolina and came back to North Carolina. She simply said we are indian and that it came from her mother Nancy Moore the daughter of John W. Moore and Mary Susan Etheredge. John W. Moore was Cheroenhaka(Nottoway) from the Smith and Branch lines…so what the heck was Mary Susan Etheredge other than my gggrandmother? Mary Susan had a strong indian heritage it’s apparent by her pictures. The Etheredges are stedfast in their Cherokee belief telling us this is what has been pased down to them for generations. Now I am referring to the Nash County Etheredges not the CAleb Etheredge line…..Nathan Etheredges line…the children of Jordan and Redderick. I am starting to wonder if Nathan Etheredge’s family were Saponi and went down with the Catawba and married a Cherokee while there but there is no proof of this…there are also some Etheredges who are Waccamaw. Help it gets so confusing.
Linda
Linda,
Okay. Printed out for further study.
I’m working up, and then down and ’round the horn’ to solve a specific question to resolve a connection puzzle .
You’ve posted a lot of specific information but there’s something missing.
Is there anything else that you know or speculate about that line’s connections from S. Alabama, back thru Georgia and into the Carolinas?
It would be a ‘big help’ in pinning down specific individual people. Be as specific as you can, but please post all data, suppositions and conjectures (for that direct line and any known siblings per identified generations), labeling each as ‘guesswork’, ‘speculation’ or data as such; but list any data with all known specifics. There is a thread here.
Bill
Bill,
That’s a tough one:) But this is what I know about this line of Etheredge’s. In someDocuments they are Etheredge’s in others they are Etherages. In Nathan’s will it’s Etherage so i am leaning more to that spelling. But after him Jordan and Thomas went by Etheredge.
These are the facts I am certain of:
My grandmother: Katie Virginia Pridgen was born Dec 30, 1902 in Nash county North Carolina daughter of Andrew Pridgen and
Her mother Nancy Lurana Moore was born in 1869 in North Carolina.
Nancy Lurana Moore was the daughter of John Wilson Moore and Mary Susan Etheredge. Mary Susan was born in 1848 in North Carolina. Her parents were Thomas Etheredge/Etherage and Lurana Etheredge(she is my connection with Caleb’s line)
Thomas Etheredge/Etherage was born around 1828-1830 in North Carolina he was the son of Jordan Etheredge/Etherage and an unknown mother. Jordan Etheredge/Etherage was born around 1793 in North Carolina son of Nathan and Keziah Etherage( no known surname) that is all I know that are facts. This information was learned through family members and several lookups in Nash and Wilson counties and census records. Jordan and Redderick are the only sons Nathan had who lived to have offspring. I know nothing about nathan Etherage and cannot connect him to any of the Etheredges from my other line. Bill, I am the first generation of my direct lines to leave North Carolina. All I know is my grandmother said they went to South Carolina briefly and than came back have no proof of this just believe what she said because well I just do:) If you can find out who Jordan Etheredge wife was(and not the Lucy he was later married to) and tell me were the heck Nathan and Keziah came from I would be indebted believe me i have searched. Both of my parents were born in North Carolina as was my older sister I was born in Newport News Virginia when my Dad worked at the shipyard. We went back to North Carolina were I graduated from high school. Oh Thomas had siblings but I did not print that out duh and dropped my subscription to ancestry.com so i can’t get that info since Jordan did not leave a will that we know of. Since Jordan was born in 1793 his father Nathan must have been born sometime before 1770 but where?
Linda
Oh I forgot to mention Caleb Etheredge’s lines started leaving North Carolina for points south in the 1790’s and this continued till around the 1820’s. I have family members from this Etheredge line down here with me in south bama but this line is well documented and not hard to trace. Only thing we have to speculate on in this family is Sally Thrower and Rebecca Taylor the lines that stayed in carolina go figure LOL but these two ladies i am pretty certain of because of documents and timing and locations. But that other line is killing me i just gotta know about them.
Linda
Bill,
I just came across something on the net the name D’etherage/Deatherage…French Hugenots(?) and they are Cherokee. I also came across a picture of a woman named Mary Deatherage hell I look alot like her…….it was scary
Linda
Bill,
I saved Mary Deatherage’s picture to my favorites and showed my husband this morning. All I asked him was do you see it? He said your face is narrower Linda but those high cheekbones and the eyes are the same. I said so you see it to and he said definitely. I have them, my mother has them, my grandmother had them so did my greatgrandmother Nancy and her mother Mary Susan.
Linda
From “Edgecombe County NC Vital Records”
Cador/Kader Etheridge m’d Kitty Sherrod, Apr 24, 1824,
Bondsman: Grandy Etheridge.
Holloway Etheridge m’d Mary Todd, Jan 17, 1827.
Bondsman: Grandy Etheridge.
2nd marr for Holloway:
Holloway Etheridge m’d Mary Barrow, 29 Dec 1846.
(it appears Holloway d.abt. 1848.)
This is the one that is intriguing since “W. J” never turns up, but Jordan (also a surname, not a given name) has a Lucy in his 1850 household, altho the year is too far ‘off’ or is an index error:
W. J. Etheridge m’d Lucy Bellany, 28 Oct 1858,
Bondsmen: H. A. Taylor and W. H. Ruffin.
“Grandy” is a surname and is unlikely to be his full given name.
Grandy Etheridge/Etherage, b. 1790s, d.1849 Nash Co., lived in Nash Co in 1840 and 1830.
Grandy Etheridge m’d KISIAH/Keziah Evans, Bond in Nash County on 16 Apr 1827;
Bondsman: John Evans (lived 4 houses from Grandy in 1830 Nash)
Witness: Benja. H. Blount.
(same source as the marriages above)
Kisiah/Keziah Evans is supposedly the dau of David Evans and Celia _?_, (Celia d.1837).
Kizzy Evans Etheridge was b. abt. 1794, NC, per the 1880 Nash Co Census.
Because of the age difference between Grandy (in his 30s in 1830) and Nathan (over 45 in 1810), they certainly are not the same person. However, Grandy must be a close relative of Cador/Kader and Holloway/Hollowell.
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Note:
There is an earlier Grandy Etheridge, wife Mary _?_.
He was the son of Willis (William b. 1698 Norfolk/William b.1664 Norfolk/ William b. 1635 Norfolk/Thomas b.1604 Eng, d. 1691 Norfolk).
The above Willis was b.1720 Norfolk Co., Va, was a Blacksmith; d. before 1790 Camden Co., NC, m’d Grace GRANDY, b.abt. 1719; d.after 1790 Camden NC – hence the “Grandy” name.
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They were a half dozen Caleb Etheridges it seems!!
Do you have anything in your gen-file on a Caleb Etherage/Etheridge, b. 1751 Edgecombe Co., NC, d. 1826 Same; son of Caleb b.1721 Norfolk Va, d. 1791 Halifax NC, m’d 1751/2 Agnes Clarke, b.1723 Edgecombe NC, d. 1824 same?
(Agnes, dau of Robert Clarke, b.1689, d. 12 Dec 1752 and Jean _?_ b. 1692.)
Caleb, b.1751, ‘appears to be’ (at this time) the progenitor of the Etherage/ Etheridge households on the 1790 to 1830 Edgecombe census records but Nathan/Nathaniel is more likely to be his cousin.
I’m still looking at Nathan, b. before 1765 per the 1830 Edgecombe census, as the son of Soloman Etheridge of earlier Norfolk Va, a relative of the Caleb, b.1721 Norfolk, per the “Historical Southern Familes” Volumes on the
“Etheridges of Norfolk County, Virginia”, but there’s not much said about Nathan since they moved to NC.
more later,
Bill
From “North Carolina Vital Records”,
Thomas Etheridge m’d Martha Leah BUTT on 3 Jan 1855 in Halifax Co., NC; Bond on 30 Dec 1854.
and from “Historical Southern Families” volumes,
Henry Etheridge Jr., b.ca 1788/9 Norfolk Co., Va, m’d in 1812 (Bond: 31 Mar 1812), Martha “Patsey” BUTT, b. 1793, Bondsman Soloman Butt. Martha Butt is #353 of the “Butt Genealogy”, dau of Soloman Butt and Dorcas (Williamson) Butt.
Bill
Bill,
Caleb born in 1751 is my Caleb.
I went and looked at Nathan’s will again it lists his wife as Kisish his will was probated in 1824 so he was dead at this time. It lists his sons as 1. Catoe/Cader 2. Jordon 3. Frederick 4. Grandy 5. Reddick 6. Hollowell I also have the estate records of Cader and Hollowell….Cader estate was liquidated May 1827 so he is dead at this time. Hollowell estate was liquidated in 1831 by Louise Todd it is his son Holloway that married the other woman he also died very young.
Who is Soloman Etheredge never heard of him or Henry either? I have to look these two up:)
Sorry I forgot Jordan and Grandy were brothers had to go back and look it up. So willis Etheredge was in Camden County and he married a Grandy this knowledge leads one to assume Nathan comes from this branch. I wonder if this first Grandy Etheredge was Nathan father? or was Willis?
Linda
Wonder if you connect with me, Linda. I have both Butt and Williamson in WVA in the late 1700s and in Maryland earlier.
Techteach
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