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October 1, 2005 at 7:51 pm #1766
I thought some of you might be interested int his info….The 1790 census has many listed as other free persons:
The following households had other free persons:
John Burt
John Iles
Abraham Scott
Thomas Hawkins
Charles Carter
randol Carter
Frederick Carter
Ephraim Knight
Peter Qualls
James Brownlow
Isham Hethcock
Soloman Hawkins
Thoroughgood Dempsey
Joshua Jones
Frederick Hethcock
Richard Frances
James Demsey
William Vaughn
William Hethcock
Emauel Scott
Edward Moreland
John Tony
William Price
Theodorick Hall
John Jones…good friends with my family
John Tune
John Turner
Henry Overstreet
John Carson
Warner Lewis, Morgan, Charles
John Phillips
Thomas Wiggins
robert Jones
Swett
Magee
Rudd
John Lewis
Branch
Exum Scott
Archer
Hawkins
Richardson
Weaver
David Hardy
Harmon
Lanturn
Lassiter
Topp
James Jones
Murry
Zacheus Smith
Henry Hawkins, Joseph
Issac Harris
Ashe
Bond
Berryman
Cotton
Davis
John Greene, William
Hunter
Murry
Perkins
Powers
Watson
Morgan
Peter Bird
Wiliams
James
Phil Jones, James
Sampson
Joshua Butt…good friends with my family
james Allen
William Green
West
Ray
Bird, Polly, Peggy and Richard…related to us I think
Harry
Eilbeck
Hammons
Biggs
Collins
Drake
Crowell
Creekman
Evans
Dozier
Jeremiah Etheridge
Flowers
October 1, 2005 at 7:51 pm #17001You mention people listed as “other free people”. Does this mean non-White? I saw a lot of Hawkinses. How close is Halifax County to Bertie County? My Hawkinses married my Byrums, and the Byrum’s were from Bertie County, NC.
thanks
vance
October 1, 2005 at 7:51 pm #17003Bertie County is immediately east of Halifax County.
October 1, 2005 at 7:51 pm #17012Oddly enough, a couple of the Indian Jeffrieses from Greensville Co., Virginia married Hawkins women from Halifax in the 1830’s.
I knew a fellow here in the Burlington area years ago who was a Byrum from Bertie Co., who claimed Indian ancestry.
October 1, 2005 at 7:51 pm #17019Bertie is just east of Halifax. Also other free people are the ones considered non-white they could be black, mulatto or indian.
October 1, 2005 at 7:51 pm #17027Thanks everyone,
I have always known some of my ancestors were Indian and some White, but never knew which were which. I was hoping research could provide an “easy” answer . . .
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But it seems ALL of my ancestors could have been either . . . as now it seems ALL surnames on Dads side of the family “might” go back to Indian peoples, and “all” might go back to Piedmont Siouan — all of them — every last one. Instead of making it easier, it seems things are more complicated. Here are all the “maybe’s” — Gibson, Wayland — Saponi (Melungeon ties). Hamilton, Woods, Richey (found as FPC in Amherst County, Va and mine apparently wre in Augusta Co, Va, next door) — Monacan. Byrum — ?Tuscarora? Suart is Piedmont Siouan I heard but I don’t know which group. Hawkins might be Creek or Cherokee or something further east. Brown might be Catawba or Cherokee. Dickson — Saponi. Guess/Gist is Cherokee but might also be mixed with Piedmont Siouan. These are all dads known surnames and NONE of them can be ruled out . . . I was hoping some of them could be ruled out as known White to be honest with you. Oh yes, we might be Allen’s to, and this is a surname Saj is descended from.
Of the Byrum’s. Dad (1915-1992) met his Hawkins grandma (maiden name Mary Ann Elizabeth Byrum (1849/50- 1923) once and he said she was a “great big red headed woman”. I have never seen a photo of her, and that is the only description of her I ever heard. Mary Byrum in listed as “5/12” on the 1850 census, daughter of Edward & Mary Byrum. There is a son Starky and a man in his 20s named “Job Gregory” living in the household. Beside Job it says — “remark – idiot”. Perhaps he was mentally disabled. I had thought maybe Mary A. E.’s mother might have been a Gregory and this man might be her Mary A. E.’s brother – right age to have been a brother. Why else would they be caring for him? But that is just conjecture.
Bertie County census records are free online and I noticed Byrum’s (several spellings) there back to the 1790 census. I do not know if they were there before that date.
I have really just started researching the Byrum surname. By at least 1868 Mary AE had married Joshua Allen Hawkins and they were in Robertson County, Texas. She was 18 and Josh was 31-33 years old. Just after the Civil War many of the men closer to Mary’s own age had probably been killed off. That might explain marriage to a man so much older than her.
That’s about all I know of my Byrum’s at present.
Vance
October 1, 2005 at 7:51 pm #17028Vance,
You are right about this research being difficult on my mother’s side my grandmother surnames are mostly related or had dealings with indians it is hard to figure out just who were indian and who was white marrying indian or who was mixed marrying mixed or indian. The stories I heard growing up was that we came out of Virginia and that some went to South Carolina came back and ended up staying in North Carolina. Some stayed in South Carolina and later ended up in Alabama and Texas. Members of my Etheridge lines claim Cherokee descent. My aunt told me, once I did the research and talked to her about it, that we are Nottoway and she believes Saponi as well. We descend from the Branch family out of Southampton County Virginia this family is definitely Nottoway there is no doubt about this. We have so many lines that go right back to that area and most of the families married into the Nottoway at one time or another. I have indian surnames running dominant through this part of my family. It was in the 1890’s before any marriages took place within this branch of my family they we can say were white with any certainty. This was when my great grandmother Nancy Moore married Andrew Pridgen. We have no reason to believe Andrew Pridgen was anything but white. My grandmother Katie Pridgen married Tom Rogers. Now my grandfathers lineage has some families in it that we wonder about but are unable to prove. For example he has Ridley’s, Newsum, Simmons and Valentine. Also this grandfather without a doubt decsended directly from William the Conquerer and Thor the Viking ( I could be a princess:D ) The biggest puzzle in my family is on my father’s side. Dad was a Davenport but his grandmother was a Little. In 1795 Samuel Little was born in Georgia. On Sep25, !819 he had a son who he named William Churchwell Little. William was also born in Georgia but by 1830 or shortly after Samuel had moved his family to Greene County, North Carolina. Later they moved to Pitt County. They were from North Georgia. We just don’t understand this at all. This knowledge has made me think of my grandmother and her personality and her appearance. She was standoffish like if you got to close you might learn her secrets she was the complete opposite of my maternal grandmother who was so loving. She was very short maybe 4’11 with long black hair which she wore in a bun ALL the time(tight). And she had dark eyes. The fact that her ancestors came from North Georgia in the timeframe when gold was found there has made me wonder just what the secrets were that she guarded so closely all I can do is speculate because anyone who could answer my questions has long since passed from us. This research can be frustrating….
Linda
October 1, 2005 at 7:51 pm #17029I knew somebody was a Davenport. That was you, wasn’t it? Charley Davenport married my great aunt (Etta/ie Richey) in the Chickasaw Nation (near Duncan, Ok) in the 1890s.
I don’t know much about these Davenport’s, though.
vance
October 1, 2005 at 7:51 pm #17033Yep I’m a Davenport. We have done DNA on this line we are R1b Haplogroup. European, which is exactly as expected since the Davenport’s are from Cheshire, England. One of our family lines traced us back to Ormus de Davenport born 1034 Normandy France and our DNA shows a close family connection with the branch which has traced back that far. So with out any doubt i can say I descend from Ormus de Davenport whose grandfather was the Duke of Normandy making Ormus de Davenport and William the Conquerer 1st cousins. My 1st cousins DNA has proven this…in addition to my Nottoway and Saponi bloodlines I also have much royal lineage. Also my mother’s father in his Ruffin-Gray lines makes me a descendents of the Scottish nobility and Scottish Kings plus a direct descendent of William the conquerer…I am related to all Plantegnet kings, Stuart kings, Tudor kings (direct lineage) and cousins to the Hanover and Windsor dynasties. Genetically I am a distant cousin of the present Queen Elizabeth, Prince Charles, Prince William and Prince Harry and of course all the rest of the royal family from both my mother and my father. When I started this quest I just wanted to know my indian roots well the rest just kind of dropped on top of us and once you find that first connection to royal lineage the rest just falls in place because it is SO well documented….ever heard of Duncan I or Malcolm III? They were Scottish kings and my many greats grandfathers. I stopped writing it down at William the Conquerer because it was just too much but it goes to The Emperor Charlemagne and even past him. Frankly Vance it has blown my mind. I bought a book on this lineage to confirm much of what I had been told and it’s right of the mark. Then the DNA proof….**** what do you do with DNA like that? I can answer that question you look in the mirror at yourself and you realize with lineage and DNA like that you have a responibility to the people of the world all around you. It’s no longer just something you want to do in kindness it’s your duty. Then you look around you at all God has blessed you with and go through your closets and call your friends and family and tell them to go through their closets cause there are thousands of people on the gulf coast who truly need whatever you don’t need any longer and you go to Walmart and buy a shopping cart of needed items and take it to the truck heading to Mississippi and you still feel like you haven’t done enough….my sister and I have started calling that helpless feeling “the tragedy of being a Plantegenet by birth”
Linda
October 1, 2005 at 7:51 pm #17037Quest:
My family has Butts. They came from Anne Arundel, MD, went to Shepherdstown, WVA, Licking County, OH and then Iowa. Intermarried with my Greens. Some family members think that the Butts were the source of the family NDN
Techteach
October 1, 2005 at 7:51 pm #17040The Butts being the source of your ndn is probably very close to a hit because they married many ndn’s over the years.
Linda
October 1, 2005 at 7:51 pm #17041There are Greens and Butts both on that list, Cindy.
Interesting, huh . . .
vance
October 1, 2005 at 7:51 pm #17043Vance and Linda,
I have seen a picture of a Butt who lived among my folks in Iowa. She is most definitely Indian and known to have said so. I also have seen a picture of Andrew Jackson Sinkey who had a Green as a grandmother. He resembles the last known Tutelo. However, family also has heard that his Huston grandfather who married his Green grandmother was at least part NDN too. The Butt in Andrew’s line though (and mine), is several generations back unless it enters by other lines I have not explored.
However the two families moved together and intermarried for several generations.
Techteach
October 1, 2005 at 7:51 pm #17045Techteach,
The deed records in Halifax County, North Carolina show the Butts, Joneses, Etheridges, Taylors and Throwers living very close to each other. I have Jones, Taylor, Thrower and Etheridge in my family probably Butts too as we have several wives with unknown surnames. Throwers have Wynnes in their family lines. The Etheridges eventually married into the Moores that have Nottoway in their lines but this was in the 1860’s .All but one line of Throwers migrated to the south into SC and Alabama. The Butts, Joneses, Throwers and Taylor came out of the Greensville and Henrico counties in Virginia. My Etheridges came from lower Norfolk county in Virginia.
Linda
October 1, 2005 at 7:51 pm #17051Hi all!
It can get very frustrating at times and so time consuming.
Vance, those names of Hawkins on that list like Thomas and Henry are within that lineage of the Joshua b 1725..but Soloman, not quite as common is in there too. Son of Joshua, William Eaton Hawkins had a Soloman and Joshua’s grandpa Edward had a Soloman, so it appears. For what it’s worth..Like the Allens, they were in Va, and NC but moving on further South and West.
I have some brick walls and that’s real frustrating…
Oh there was a henry Byrum on Bertie co tax list in 1757 already.
On my father’s mom’s (my grandma) side, every name goes back to 1600’s va except one (McGannon) who came here pre-revolutionary war. Saj
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