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November 27, 2005 at 9:54 pm #1908
Hi all,
I am looking for any history facts you all might have on this area. And do any of you descend from anyone from this area? I have found members of my family in Moyock, Indian Ridge, Indiantown, Shiloh, Lamb’s Corner and Grandy. I read somewhere Indiantown was the meeting place of chiefs during the Tusacora War. Do any of you have any information on this? Do any of you know anything about the Mattamuskeet? What about the Hatteras Indians? The Squires brothers? The Tillett family? The Overman family? The Grandy family? The Lamb family? The Jordan family? The Forbes family? I have a million questions LOL HELP
Linda
November 27, 2005 at 9:54 pm #17797I know some people in the Mattamuskeet tribe. Do you know what present town is near the old Indian Town?
November 27, 2005 at 9:54 pm #17798Camden is to the north Linda…I think Indiantown is still there though
November 27, 2005 at 9:54 pm #17805Thanks for your message to me re: Camden and Currituck Counties, NC.
I’m going on memory here so I may be mistaken on some of the details, since it was about three or four years ago that I looked into these counties.
I know that Indiantown, Camden County still exists. From what I can deduce, present day Indiantown sits atop very early colonial Indiantown. As I recall, there is a huge mound (of oyster shells, nowadays covered with sod/dirt/ etc.) in presentday Indiantown.
I can’t recall the source (I believe it was an internet search), but I discovered one Peggy(?) Mainor mentioned in some early church records as a young widow with two small children. As I recall, she lived on or near the church property; which, itself, sat on, or very near Indiantown. Since Mainor (and its variants: Maynor, Mayner, Maner, etc.) is a known Coharie and Lumbee surname (in fact, one of my surnames is Maynor), I strongly suspect that this Peggy Mainor was in fact an Indian or a mixed race person. The time frame was circa 1730 or so as I recall. (Wait! I believe the source for this was the University of NC… or, maybe it was a state archives document???)
Also, wasn’t the Bennett Creek (?) Indian Reservation somewhere near Camden and Currituck Counties? (I think there was a Bennet’s Creek Reservation. It was for the remnants of the Chowan Indians as I recall.)
Also, there’s a very good internet document I found on the Mattamuskeet Indians some years ago. An ethnohistorian/genealogist (whose name I forget) traced many Hyde County residents (persons who nowadays regard themselves as black) to Mattamuskeet Indians. (An interesting aside is that this researcher attributes to famous NC historian, John Lawson a story that some of the Mattamuskeets practiced circumcision [a non-native pratice] that indicates some sort of Jewish influence prior to 1711.)
That’s about al I know I can recall from memory on the subject
I’ll try to find my sources in the next few days and post them.
November 27, 2005 at 9:54 pm #17806I found a document written by Fred Willard concerning migration of coastal indians….he mentions Indiantown in his paper…he talks about Buck Ridge, Gum Neck, Beechland..he talks abut an influx of indians from Nantucket Island Mass. by way of whaling ships….he talks of Yawpim Indians of Indiantown, Camden County….I went to the Camden and Currituck sites pulling up pictures of my Etheridge’s and boy do they look like mixed bloods…Meekins family too…and the Tillets..he talks about the Squires…..and Bennett’s Creek is to the west in I believe Bertie County…I’m a bit excited LOL much like I was when I traced another of my lines to the Nottoway….I have only one more line to figure out now and it’s another Etheridge line lol…btw I read something about the Coree Indians helping the Tusacora during the war….oh and the Mattamuskeet helped too and all the Etheridge’s in my lines (both of them) claim some sort of native descent whether it be Choctaw, Cherokee or they don’t know what tribe.
Linda
November 27, 2005 at 9:54 pm #17815I must be getting early onset Alzheimers. I got practically everything wrong in my 1st post.
(1) The Indiantown I had in mind is actually in Chowan County, not Camden County.
(2) There WAS a mound of shells on or near the Chowan County site, but apparently the mound no longer exists.
(3) It was Judith Mainer, not Peggy Mainor.
Here are the actual facts and source:
“Early reports from 16th Century explorers indicated some significant native American settlements along the Chowan River, one of the largest a relatively short distance from the mouth of Indian Creek. The White-DeBry Map of 1590 names the Indian village of Waratan, located south of Indian Creek.”
“European settlement of the area paralleled that of Edenton, one of colonial North Carolina’s first capitols. Indeed, in the early 1700’s the area known as “Indian Town” was owned by an Anglican minister, the Reverend Daniel Earl, who was rector of St. Paul’s in Edenton.”
“Hundreds of years ago the Chowanoke Indians gathered every summer at a certain river beach. It was the breeding ground of a yellow mussel much savored by the people. Over time the shells, along with pottery shards, bones, arrowheads and other discarded items, formed a mound five to six hundred yards long, sixty yards wide 8;fid five feet deep along the river bank. It had become the rubbish heap for the village, named either Waratan, Mavaton or Weyanoke, depending upon the source consulted, which had been established there. The mound is shown on a map drawn by James Wimble in 1738 and is described as “…covered with about one foot of sand and soil. It is composed almost exclusively of mussel shells taken from the river, pieces of pottery, ashes, arrowheads and human bones.”
http://www.arrowheadbeach.org/History/History_1.htm
“The indigent sometimes sought relief from the vestry as did Thomas Hobbs who was allowed 15 shillings per month in St. Paul’s in 1727 while the churchwardens investigated the validity of his request. Ministers occasionally initiated action for charitable support. The Reverend Daniel Earl personally met the immediate needs of Judith Mainer and her two children; later he submitted an account of his expenses to the vestry for reimbursement.10”
I’m going to post the web site, but it’s extremely long and probably won’t take. If it doesn’t work, do a Google search for “Reverend Daniel Earl”
http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/sections/hp/colonial/Nchr/Subjects/watson1.htm+%22reverend+daniel+earl%22&hl=en”>http://72.14.203.104/search?q=cache:PR7Y9MAS0oQJ:http://www.ah.dcr.state.nc.us/sections/hp/colonial/Nchr/Subjects/watson1.htm+%22reverend+daniel+earl%22&hl=en
The best document by far I’ve ever found on the Mattamuskeet Indians is a 1975 study by Patrick H. Garrow. Virtually all of the Mattamuskeet Indians lost their identity during the early to middle part of the 19th century (from about the 1830s to circa 1860). During that time frame (after Nat Turner’s rebellion) the local white power structure initiated a culturely devastating policy of apprenticing out Mattamuskeet Indian children as young as 18 months old to white plantation owners. The apprenticeship lasted until the child turned 25 years old. By that time, all vestiges of their Indianness had been wiped clean.
Here’s what Garrow says; “A more insidious result of this apprenticeship policy was the loss of Indian identity. Since many of the children of the Mattamuskeet descendants had been removed from their homes and families at a young age and placed under the care of whites, there was little opportunity for the older generation to pass on whatever elements remained of their Indian heritage.”
Here’s the link. http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~jmack/algonqin/matta1.htm
If the link won’t work, do a Google search for “Patrick H. Garrow”
November 27, 2005 at 9:54 pm #17816Here’s the link I was looking for.
REMNANTS OF THE MACHAPUNGA INDIANS
OF NORTH CAROLINA
By Frank G. Speck
(1916)
I will quote Lawson’s remarks on the tribe. He states that in his time, about 1701, the Machapunga had one town, called Maramuskeet (Mattamuskeet) containing thirty fighting men. 5 Moreover, several customs are found in some families which others keep not; as for example, two families of the Machapunga Indians use the Jewish custom of circumcision, and the rest do not, neither did I ever know any others amongst the Indians that practiced any such thing, and perhaps if you ask them what is the reason they do so, they will make you no answer, which is as much as to say, “I will not tell you.” 6
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~jmack/algonqin/speck.htm
November 27, 2005 at 9:54 pm #17824Iguess the Yawpim Indians are the ones from Indiantown in Camden County. Will my folks ended up in Edgecombe and Halifax counties…imagine that 🙂 I attended school many years in Edgecombe County in fact that is where I graduated. To date I have found no real proof of a Saponi connection I believe there must be….My folks were definitely Nottoway and apparently Yawpim or some other coastal Alq. tribe. They moved into Saponi country around the 1730’s-1750’s. Except my Nathan Etheridge who came later out of Camden, Currituck area. I found him with 3 sons in Currituck on the 1790 census. He had 6 sons in all he is not there in 1810 and in Edgecombe area in 1830. My ggg grandfather Thomas Ehteridge was born in 1828 in the Edgecombe area. His father Jordan was born in 1793 probably Currituck County although I’m not sure of that. Jordan was Nathan’s son. My Etheridges’s married my Moore’s (Nottoway) in the 1860’s I have always been told both lines were Native American. Having found one of my Etheridge line in Indian Ridge and Indiantown on the borders of Camden and Currituck counties and having seen the pictures of Etheridges in that area I don’t doubt this line was native…In 1790 Currituck census nathan was listed as white but right next door is a family listed as FPC their name was Bathouse. Is it true that when a white man married an indian woman his children were considered white? Most of the families in Currituck and Camden were listed white but take a look at those pictures on the Currituck and Camden County websites if they are completely white I’ll shoot my toe off LOL.
Linda
November 27, 2005 at 9:54 pm #20233I see you are interested in Lambs. Do your Lambs have any connection to Guilford County, North Carolina? I have some Lamb ancestors that were in Guilford County, but they trace back to Virginia and were perhaps in Maryland at one point.
If any of those locations seem like they might connect, I’d be glad to discuss in more detail.
Thanks,
Randall
November 27, 2005 at 9:54 pm #20235No sorry Randall Guilford is a little far west of us. However I do have cousins that are Bakers in Edgecombe County NC.
Linda
November 27, 2005 at 9:54 pm #20252Okay, Linda, I did a little checking and found some information that might place my Lambs in closer vicinity to yours. Here’s what I found out.
I’ve come across a site that gives information pushing my Lamb line back another generation to a Henry Lamb; born about 1697 in Nansemond County, VA. Nansemond is a neighbor to Camden County, NC. At some point, they went on to Perquimans County, NC and that is where some of the children, including my ancestor were born. Later on they were in Guilford County and that’s where my ancestor (Bethiah Lamb, Henry’s daughter) was married to Benjamin Beeson. My line descending from this couple went elsewhere, but it appears that Henry Lamb ended his days in Rowan County, NC. So, it now appears that my Lambs started out in the same vicinity as yours.
Both the Beesons and the Lambs were Quakers in those days. Is there an Indian connection in your Lamb family? Obviously, Nansemond County was named for that tribe and Nottaway County is an adjacent county, so I presume that both tribes were associated with the area. I saw that you had made a Nottaway connection with some part of your family. Incidentally, my Beeson and Lamb ancestors are on my maternal grandmother’s side of my family tree and that is where our oral tradition of Blackfeet heritage came from. It’s all a mystery to me, but I keep fishing for clues.
Randall
November 27, 2005 at 9:54 pm #20253I meant to add for further geographical reference that Perquimans County, NC is also adjacent to Camden County; to the south….to save anyone the trouble of looking who, like me, didn’t have a clue where it was. 🙂 Also, as another bit of semi-related trivia; according to the Perquiman County genealogy site, the name of the county is a Yeopim Indian word meaning “land of beautiful women”. I presume that “Yeopim” and “Yawpim” are one and the same (an Algonquian tribe).
Okay, I’m finished rambling now.
November 27, 2005 at 9:54 pm #20254Linda, I apologize if I’m wearing you out on this thread, but I keep coming across things that seem like they might be pertinent; possibly connections or coincidences between your family and mine.
I find that Henry Lamb, father of my Bethiah Lamb had two children that married Moores. Thomas Lamb b: abt. 1724 in Nansemond Co., VA married Sarah Moore in 1746 in Perquimans Co., NC. Reuben Lamb b: 1732 in Nansemond Co., VA married a Martha Moore in 1756 in Perquimans Co., VA. If I understood some of your previous posts in this thread, I understand that you’ve determined you Moores to be of Nottoway ancestry. Is that correct? Do you know if these Moores and Lambs are connected to yours? If so, we may somehow be cousins.
Randall
November 27, 2005 at 9:54 pm #20255Randall,
My Moores also came from Nansemond County. Also when you are typing something to me save yourself some typing cause I’m a native of North Carolina and I know where all of these counties are. The biggest majority of my ancestors came from Nansemond and Southampton County the next county to the west of Nansemond. Nottoway County is a bit farther inland. The Nansemonds indians are from Nansemond County which today is the city of Suffolk, VA. The Nottoway are from Southampton County. I am not a Lamb decsendent just interested in them because they were near my families. Do you have any Etheridges from the Camden County area in your family tree? As for my Moores and the Nottoway they married into the Branch family from Southampton and they also married into the Smith line in the same area. In 1742 in Bertie County NC members of my Smith line where called to court to answer the question of their race. By this time however they were Sessoms and Sizemores. We also married into the Boon family and the Wynne families of that area. then my Sessoms moved to Edgecombe and once again my Moores married into the mixed race people of that area. We also married into the Lewelyn who are rumored to have connections to indians in that area. My Etheridges were located near Indiantown in Camden County, NC this is the home of the Yawpin. All of this line is from my maternal grandmother who was without a doubt a good bit ndn. She had brownish tan looking skin, black hair, grey eyes and very high cheekbones. She said that she simply was indian. I have found all of this in the records of course but in this same line we have another lady who was said to be a full blood born in the early 1800’s who I can find nothing about. I think she was from somewhere else and not local to our area. I have a very dear friend whose mother moved to Edgecombe County in the 1920’s from Arkansas she was Arkansas Cherokee so I know there are Cherokee in Edgecombe County North Carolina the reason I mention this because he connects to my family and it is rumored our Rebecca (who we can find nothing about) was Cherokee. When his mother moved to Carolina she sought out certain families within the county ours being one of them. He thinks she was looking for extended family. Another thing I’ve learned listen to your family they know more than you think they do they can give you clues even if they are not sure of the tribe. In my family certain customs were passed down. The dominant one seems to be Nottoway (Iroquios just as the Cherokee ). My maternal grandfather’s line is interesting to say the least. There are massive roadblocks in his Rogers lines. I have traced every Rogers I can from Edgecombe County and they head back to the Nansemond. This family has several Bass connections within it. But my direct line is elusive.
Linda
November 27, 2005 at 9:54 pm #20256Linda,
Thanks for getting back to me. Other than the Moores marrying Lambs that I already mentioned, I don’t see any of your other surnames that are in common with my family. I do have other ancestors, unrelated to the Lamb line, that were also in Camden County. Morrisettes, Roberts, Guilford and probably Cason. These families were also associated with Princess Ann County, VA.
Oh, sorry about the geography lesson on your own home turf. 🙂 I always try to be thorough, in case someone reads it that doesn’t know. Probably should have toned it down a bit.
Well, even if we didn’t connect, your thread has given me some food for thought and new avenues for research. That’s worth it to me.
Thanks a bunch.
Randall
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