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Barsheba Beverly is listed as a mulatto on the 1767 Pittsylvania Co List of Tithables. Barsheba appears next to Moses Ridley (Indian) and William Ridle. Anyone have any information on this person?
Now, there was a George Ridley who is said to have been born in Louisa County, VA in 1730 or 1737. George appears in Amelia County, VA in 1758 on the militia list. He is listed in the 1759 will of John Butler as a nephew. (which is interesting because in Paul Heinegg’s book, he shows Margaret Ridley giving birth to a bastard son of Edward Buss in 1707. Margaret Ridley was a servant to Caleb Butler). George Ridley became well known in Nashville and around Davidson County, TN and told John Sevier that he came from obscure bastard parentage. He and Elizabeth Weatherford had a son born in Hawkins Co., TN (23 JUL 1762) that he named Beverly (maybe after Moses’ friend). He had another son named William Ridley, who was killed in Bledsoe Creek outside of Morgan’s Fort by friendly fire because he was mistaken as one of the Indians they were looking for.
George was also supposed to have a son named Moses and another named
George Jr. Then there is a George Ridley (most likely Jr. ) who purchased property from Margaret Mulherrin in 1826 or 1827. (There are a James and a John Mulherrin found in the Melungeons: Examining An Appalachian Legend).
George Sr. shows up here and there:
– George Ridley and Bevley Ridley were ordered to “lay off a road from John Rains Mill to McQueston’s Tanyard by way of John Cummins Sawmill…”
– George Ridley of Pittsylvania Co., VA, Camden Parish (Deed to George Murphey)
Beverly’s first wife was Annie Williams (BEF. APR 1792 in Nashville, TN) and his second wife was Elizabeth Gooch (6 JUN 1828 in Williamson Co., TN).
George Ridley lived in Halifax Co., VA from 1772 until he moved to Wake Co., NC. He went with Robertson to the Watauga area in about 1768, migrated to East TN (Sullivan Co.) until 1790 when he moved on to Nashville where he remained until his death in 1835. His first wife was Elizabeth Weatherford and second wife was Sarah Vincent. George is referred to as a Senr. in his 1784 letter to his lawyer, James Johnson.
John Butler is listed as the uncle of George Ridley in his will dated 1759.
His wife was Martha Butler.
He is also listed as a brother to Sarah Drinkwater.
He is listed as an uncle to John Wingo, Price Butler Penel, George Ridley, and Josiah Drinkwater.
John Butler left 100 acres on Stocks Creek and his gun in 1759.
George Ridley sold this land to Thomas James (Martha Butler’s second husband) of Amelia Co., VA in Aug 1772 and then moved to Wake Co., NC.
Anybody familiar with any of these people?
Now here is a stretch….maybe….
Now, could these Butler’s be related to Caleb Butler, who had a servant named Margaret Redley, who had a mulatto bastard child with Edward Buss in 1707? I know Westmoreland County is on the other side of the state…
From Paul Heinegg’s Book: Free African Americans:
Margaret Redley, born say 1692, was presented by the churchwardens of Washington Parish, Westmoreland County, Virginia, on 28 June 1710 for having a bastard child. She may have been identical to “Margrett a Servt. to Calleb Butler” who was presented by the churchwardens of Washington Parish on 28 May 1707 and 22 February 1710 for “fornication & haveing a Mulatto bastard.” On 24 June 1713 she and Edward Buss “a Mulatto” were presented by the grand jury for fornication and cohabiting together [Orders 1705-21, 58, 66, 136a, 140a, 143a, 145a, 155a, 217].
Check Heinegg for the other Beverlys AND Plecker’s list.
Also, note that Peter Beverly was an indian agent and of course Robert Beverly also had dealings with indians. You can probably search for Beverly here on Saponitown. Peter Beverly is more obscure.
Thanks, I think I remember seeing that here. I didn’t even think of searching here for Beverly first.
I just had someone email me a scanned page of the Annals of Tennessee.
On page 488, it mentions Cornelius Riddle marrying Miss Jane Mulherrin. They were married by Mr. James Shaw, a trustee of the community they settled “at the Bluff” in a place called Cumberland, which was in Washington County, which stretched to the Mississippi River at that time.
Bump…
I was just reading about the Collins that may have originated in Louisa County, VA.
I still think there is a connection with this George Ridley and Moses Riddle, especially considering the names he gave his children.
Thoughts?
Howdy friend *waves*….you post just caught my eye and I thought I’d chime in with what little bit I believe about the Riddle’s…keep in mind that I made my summations based on other sources and will do my best to congeal things nicely and source list when appropriate.
As to Caleb BUtler…I DO have him as the birth father of Margaret’s child: namely: Moses Riddle born 1715 in Hanover Co, VA and d: Aft. 1785 in Henry Co, VA…he “found his way to my database for 3 reasons: 1. he MD one of my Gibson gals: Mary (b: 1720 Orange Co, NC); she being d/o: Thomas Gibson & Mary Frances Allen. 2. He happened along in my tree also because of his affiliation/connection to one William Nichols; who MD his dau. Sarah Riddle (the same Wm. Nichols who was hung by the Tories and was a Rev. War veteran; b: 1750 Granville Co, NC, d: 1781) The very same year; Moses (1715)’s son: William Thomas Riddle was also hung by the same faction…reported location of their deaths: Mulberry Fields Meeting House, Wilksboro, Wilkes Co, NC.
As to Moses (1715) I show he and Mary Gibson as marrying abt 1739 in Louisa Co, VA and having CH: Moses (MD Mary Collins…there’s that name!), William Thomas (MD Harriet J. “Happy” Rogers); Sarah (MD William Nichols); Thomas, Isaac, John & Randolph.
In addition to the notes you quoted above abt Margaret’s “Bastard trial/child”….at the same site I located the following:
“i. Moses, born say 1710, owned land in Orange County, North Carolina, adjoining George Gibson and Thomas Collins [Orange County Loose Papers, vol. V, no. 131; vol.VI, no. 579]. He and his wife Mary were “Mulatto” Orange County taxables in 1755 [N.C. Archives T&C 1, p.8]. He was called a poor debtor in February 1761 when William Chavis sued him in Orange County court [Haun, Orange County Court Minutes, I:459]. He was probably related to Moses Ridle, an “Indian” tithable in John Wilson’s Pittsylvania County tax list for 1767.” **NOTE: the above mentioned name: Thomas Collins…correlates in that Moses’ son, Moses (Jr.) who MD Mary nee Collins…her father WAS in fact named Thomas Collins Sr.
FYI: Moses (1715) is also listed on the 1740 VA tax rolls as being Cherokee; in 1767, he is listed likewise on the Pittsylvania VA tax roll.
Moses’ and his descendant’s ancestry is still yet controversial; one researcher wrote:
“Source: located Dec 2005: from AWT of Betty Harrington email: ciard49@aol.com, notes to wit:
“The Indians in this family are from the Riddles, and possibly Prewitts. This line of Riddles lived among the Melungeons and intermarried with them. The Melungeons were a mixture of Cherokee, (most people like to say Cherokee), Choctaw, Portugese, etc. They lived in SC, NC, VA and parts of KY. This Wheeler line also married into the Cherokee nation. The Riddles and Prewitts lived in Cumberland Co., KY. The Wheeler line lived in Casey Co., KY. The Riddles in Virginia and SC lived amongst the Melungeons and intermarried with them.”
Pat Spurlock Elder had this to say:
“”Melungeons:Examining an Applachian Legend” by Pat Spurlock Elder, “Moses Riddle had descendants in Hancock Co. They were not Melungeons although they lived near the Goins and Minor family. In 1767 he lived on Polecat creek of the Banister River in Lunenburg Co. Va. This area of Luneburg became Halifax”… “it seems Moses was at least part Indian but not Cherokee”… then in her notes she says, “Jack Goins double seventh great grandfather was Henry Fisher b/ 1749, who m/ Happy Riddle 1789 in Russell Co. VA. and Happys father William was hung as a Tory and William’s father was Moses”.”
Rockhound linked the following URL which was most helpful for me in tying up a few loose ends as I say:
Source: LINK for detailed information the Riddle family and descendants and Tory hangings, rec. Jan 2006 from Brandon T (Rockhound) from Saponitown Forum, Link URL:
http://www.jimcal.com/v04is01.htm#William
As to the Tory hanging info…I have located the following:
(my source notes to wit:
“Source: located Dec 2005: from AWT of Betty Harrington email: ciard49@aol.com, notes to wit:
“1760, He came to America with his brothers, Moses and Dr. James Riddle. He settled in eastern Virginia, then went to Hawkins Co. Tenn.
He was a Tory and a Revolutionary War soldier, under General Marion, 1785, he captured by the British in Georgia and hanged for treason. Other source say it was in Watauga, NC.
Jim Riddle – My research shows that the William Riddle who was captured in North Carolina and hanged from the oak tree at a place henceforth called Riddles Knob was the son of a Tory colonel named James Riddle from Sussex County. I do not know the name of his wife but from all indications he had two orphans named John and James. It is this John that I am researching to see if he might be my ancestor John of Laurens, SC. They both were born in 1775.
Rebecca Murphy says that he was born about 1753 in Orange County, N. C. She said that he married Happy Jane Rogers.
Wm Thomas died in Wilkesboro, Mulberry Fields Meeting House, Wilkes Co., NC. He along with 2 of his sons were hanged on an oak tree, by Col. Benjamin Cleveland, of the Loyalists.
Mary Hill “Saga of a Southern Loyalist” William Riddle and His Ancestory,
William was said to be an Indian -possibly Cherokee, or a Melungeon, or mulatto.
Wm Thomas Riddle (Tory), married a person of the melungeons and his children, for the most part, married with them.
her book may still be available, email her at maryevhill@attbi.com
Was family given land grant for his services ?
G. T. Ridlon, History of the Ancient Ryedales and Their Descendants in Normandy, Great Britain, Ireland and America from 860 to 1884, C (1884). “Thomas Riddle (1), said to have been born in Scotland or England, came to America about the year 1760, and settled in eastern Virginia. He enlisted in the American Army, and served six years under General Marion, but was finally taken prisoner and hung. He married a Miss Roberts, and had issue seven children. His widow married to “Bill Ingraham”, and removed to Hawkins County, but did not long survive her second marraige. This statement was by Isaac Riddle, of Richland, Pulaski Co, MO, a grandson of the above Thomas, and a man of remarkable memory.”
message from John Riddle of Kanoah, UT. “My grandfather had a brother, Moses, and a relative in Kentucky named William Ruddell, who had sons James, William, Lewis and Valentine. If this statement is correct, the “Riddells of Orange Co. VA” and “Riddells of Boone Co. KY” are of the same family.”
Title: Families of Hawkins County, Tennessee (1786-1994)
Author: Submitted by Jack H. Goins
Publication: Hawkins co.,Genealogy & Historical Society
Page: pg 539″
I have NOT thus far examined the Butler’s , nor the Melherins/Meherrins and the surname Beverly has simply not “come up” yet for my lines. I hope this helps to some measure…keep me posted if anythign comes your way on these folks. I thank you in advance. Blessings~~~~Laurie
Thanks for replying. I’d really like to figure this group out.
Well it looks like we are all kind of going round and round with the same information…some of it tweaked a bit. You realize you posted a link that I had posted, right. 😀
Isaac Riddle is a close relation of mine (my family is from Pulaski County, MO) and I have been in contact with some of his descendants. My line goes straight back to John Riddle, son of William and Happy, and husband of Sara Johnson (daughter of Moses and Sary Johnson). John came to MO from Bledsoe County, TN along with other Riddles (brothers and maybe cousins). It seems my Riddles lived around Hancock/Hawkins County in the late 1700’s/early 1800’s before heading south to Bledsoe County, TN.
Do you have a source for the information stated in your first paragraph?
I think I have seen Moses being born in Hanover County in 1715 before…(maybe I posted it?). Heinegg has him listed as 1710, whereas Jack Goins says he was born sometime in the 1720’s. If Moses is the bastard child of Caleb Butler and Margaret Redley, then which one was Indian (if at all?) And who is Edward Buss?
It appears that I need to contact Pat Spurlock Elder.
Now, the Riddles coming over in 1760 don’t seem to be related (too late).
The story of William being a patriot and fighting with Francis Marion seems to be an older story that has been superceded by the story that William was the Tory that had run ins with Ben Cleveland…that doesn’t mean it may not be the truth, however.
Don’t you wish these people had kept a journal and passed it on…:D
Thanks for your information. Hopefully we can pool together and figure this out. I’d still like to know if Moses was a Saponi or not…
I am a descendent of George Ridley and I was curious enough about your message that I joined this board to ask you about your post.
I am also searching for the family of George but I have to ask, my George Ridley died in 1835, you have him as the son of Margaret Ridley and being born in 1707 out of wedlock. Not sure how this works since that would make him 128 years old at the time of his death and in my mind does not make these two George Ridley’s one in the same.
Is it possible you have new information that would that would clear this up. Also knowing this wouldn’t you agree that there was probably more than one George Ridley and that my George could have very well been born to two parents who were indeed married.
My Ridley line comes from George’s daughter Elizabeth “Betsy” Ridley who married William Smith. From which line do you descend?
Also, I do not have a son Beverley for George and Elizabeth (Weatherord) Ridley can you tell me more about him. Do you have any information you would be willing to share that would help me get George’s descendents named and in their proper places, it would be appreciated.
Hi Lily,
Good to hear from you. I would love to discuss this with you. I do have some more information and sources on George Ridley. I’m pretty busy lately but will get back with you as soon as I can.
I just found this and thought I would pass it on to who ever might be interested. I found it on Tennessee Gen Web
http://www.tngenweb.org/williamson/history/tsfamhisR.html
RIDLEY FAMILY George Ridley was the son of Colonel Thomas Ridley and the former Amy Scott of Southampton County, Virginia. Thomas Ridley was a Major in the Continental Army at Brandywine. George Ridley was born January 11, 1737 in Isle of Wight County, Virginia. He died September 29, 1835 in Nashville, Tennessee. He was married September 20, 1761 to Elizabeth Weatherford (1740-1766). After the death of his first wife, George Ridley married Sarah Vincent (1754-1836) in 1777. She died in Williamson County, Tennessee.
George Ridley was a private in the Battle of Point Pleasant under Captain Evan Shelby. He resided in North Carolina and Virginia during the Revolutionary War. The children of George and Elizabeth Ridley were: Beverly who married first, Ann Williams and second, Elizabeth Gooch; George; John who married a German lady; William; Patsy who married James Wright; Betsy who married first, William M. Smith and second, a McMinn; Sally who married Major John Buchanan; and, Lettie who married James Roberts.
The children of George and Sarah Ridley were: Captain V. Ridley who married Lydia Everett; Thomas who married Margaret Harwood; Moses who married Kate Howard; James who married Amy Hamilton; Abigail who married Dr. Charles Mulherin; Wimford who married Thomas Garrett; Samuel who married Sally Hay; and, Henry who married Elizabeth Allison.
George Ridley left Virginia and settled on the Holston River in East Tennessee. Desiring to move onward, he transported his family down the Holston River in large flat-bottomed boats to the Tennessee River. Winding through Northern Alabama, Western Tennessee and Southern Kentucky. He traveled on until he reached the place where the Tennessee River meets the Cumberland. He went down the Cumberland River to Nashville where he brought the boat to rest in the middle of the stream to guard against attack by hostile Indians.
In 1790, George Ridley purchased a large tract of land in Middle Tennessee and settled within a mile of the site of Nashboro, later to become Nashville. He erected a timber block house surrounded by blockades for safety from the Indians and wild animals.
James Ridley, son of George and Sarah Vincent Ridley, married Amy Hamilton February 9, 1806. Their children were: Samuel Jones who died young; Hance Hamilton who married first, Susan B. Everette and second, Amanda R. Joslin; Sarah Vincent; George Thomas; Mary W. Dodson; James Ridley who married Hannah Williams, John Boyd Ridley who married Mary Agnes Ellen Rachel Jackson Dodson Fitzgerald; Moses McNairy who married first, Ann E. Baker and second, Prudence Eason; and, Anna who married Pleasant H. Mitchell of Humbolt, Tennessee.
James and Amy Ridley lived on a farm adjoining the Hermitage, home of Andrew and Rachel Jackson. James served under Andrew Jackson in the Indian Wars. They lived within three miles of each other. A strong friendship existed between them and when Jackson died, James Ridley was one of the pallbearers.
James and Amy Ridley’s son, John Boyd Ridley, probably met his future wife, Mary Agnes Ellen Rachel Jackson Dodson Fitzgerald, there as she visited in the home of Jackson.
John Boyd Ridley (1818-1882) married Mary (or Mack) Fitzgerald (1828-1880), daughter of Bird and Julia Fitzgerald, on January 9, 1835. They had seven children: Julia Franklin who married Thomas Leaneard Critz; two sons named James Boyd Ridley who both died at the age of two; John Boyd Ridley, Jr. who married Nancy Irene Creath; Fitzgerald who married Juliet McCann; Sallie Morgan who never married; and, Lee W. Ridley.
John Boyd Ridley, Jr. (1857-1937) and Nancy Irene Creath (1864-1956), daughter of James Abernathy Creath, an Irishman, and Martha Rogers Ammonette, a Frenchwoman, had three pchildren: James Creath Ridley who was quite a track man during his school years; John Boyd Ridley, III who died of whooping cough and pneumonia at the age of 13; and, Joseph Lee Ridley who married Virginia Morton Terrell, daughter of Joel and Ella Morton Terrell. Virginia Morton Terrell was a direct descendant of Edward Swanson.
Nancy Irene Creath had a sister, Mable Creath, who married Boyd Critz. Nancy was raised at Cordova near Memphis, Tennessee. She came to Franklin as a young lady to teach at the Tennessee Female College.
James Creath Ridley married Addie Blanch Crenshaw. Their children are James Creath Ridley, Jr. and Jane Ridley who died in 1994.
Joseph Lee Ridley attended Battle Ground Academy and the old Branham & Hughes Military Academy at Spring Hill, Tennessee where his friends gave him the name of “Hokey” which followed him throughout life. He was a well-known farmer and, later in life, was with Roberts & Green Real Estate Company. He was deputy commissioner of conservation for the late Governor Buford Ellington and served many years both as a representative and a senator, as well as many other areas of public service.
Joseph Lee and Virginia Ridley lived in the homeplace now located at 4541 Columbia Highway, the home of Lillian Hill and the late Hubert Hill. The house next door, now the home of Hardy and Mary Fields, was formerly the home of Lee Ridley, son of John Boyd and Mary Ridley, Sr.
Joseph Lee and Virginia Terrell Ridley had one child, John Boyd Ridley, IV, who married Elizabeth Adell Osborn, daughter of Ernest Leon Osborn and the former Thelma Jackson.
John Boyd Ridley, IV and Elizabeth Osborn Ridley have twin daughters, Virginia Marciano who has three boys and a girl; and Nancy, who married first, Michael Walter Slater and had three daughters. Her second husband is Timothy George Stauropulos.
John Boyd Ridley, IV entered the service in 1942 with the Infantry. He served in Germany and was wounded on April 15, 1945 and was hospitalized in both France and England before being returned to the States.
John B. and Elizabeth Ridley live on Hillsboro Road in Franklin, Tennessee.
Lily and Rockhound:
I am interested in the Wiliams married into your Ridley Families. My Williams’ were in Isle of Wight, Orange Co., NC and Burke Co., NC. Do either of you know the Williams Fam. that the Ridleys married into so frequently? See post regarding Ambrose Williams, my ancestor. Clydene
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