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July 16, 2006 at 6:01 am #2450
My grandmother told 4 generations a story about an Indian ancestor and how he met his fate. I have been searching for him for years in my quest for my ancestry. Briefly I will tell the story and the facts that we know.
There was a many greats grandfather of ours. He was a Blackfoot Indian who was married to a white woman. His name was Beady(?spelling,?nickname,?translation,? white name) Walker. A white man stole his only horse. He hunted and found the thief and killed him,as was the custom to do with horse thieves in that time. But the whites got a group together and went to find Beady,as Indians were not to be with white women and they sure were not supposed to kill whites for any reason. They followed his pregnant wife as she was sneaking food to him where he hid in the hollow of an old tree. They captured him and took him to town where they promptly hanged him. Grandma never changed her story one bit,except in her older years she once said that he was Cherokee. None of our family has ever came from the northern part of the states where the Blackfoot were. Family was from Ky.,Ten.,Va.,N.C. After doing research I found out about the Blackfoot Cherokee and the Melungeon types from these areas. So I really do think that this is the answer. I proved all of my grannie’s other family stories,except this one. I also think that if I were a mother whose husband met his demise such as Beady did,I would hide my children’s ethenticity for their safety,perhaps even go into hiding with them.
I have only found the Walker line down to my 3rd g grandfather,Jonathan Walker b. ca. 1799 Ky. or N.C. Censuses say Ky.,but the old historians said N.C. He claimed to be Scotch. He d.1854 Dubois Co.,In. m. Mary Polly Brenton in 1854 in Perry Co.,In. d/o Maj. James Brenton and sister to Peter Brenton the founder of Petersburg in Pike CO.,In.Jonathan was the first settler in Cass Township,Dubois Co,In. He had been in Knox,Spencer,Pike and other southern Indiana counties,most were the same county,just made one off of another during the years.Jonathan was an Indian fighter was in the battle of Tippicanoe and the war of 1812. But some Indians did help us. Jonathan was a bare fisted fighter and never lost. He was a big and powerfull man. He was well over 6 ft tall and over 200 lbs. He could not hold his liquor and loved to fight. He was chosen for log rollings. He once made a bet that he could crawl on his hands and knees through snow and slush over a mile,swim across the Patoka River through the ice,swim back across and crawl back the way he came. He won the bet. He once picked up a huge hog,through it over his shoulder and when it bit him,through it down so hard it killed it. Joanthan was well liked and had much land. He was the first man arrested for murder in Dubois Co,but was found innocent as the man who actualy had done it skipped and was never found. Jonathan’s sons were in the Civil War. One was killed. According to their papers they were all very tall,dark complexioned,and dark brown eyes,as Jonathan was said to be. Jonathan was buried in Mt Vernon cemetery in Dubois,near his home,but his father in law and many of the Brentons were buried in Siple Indian Mound Cemetery,also in Dubois CO. Many have been trying for years to find Jonathan’s pedigree. Others have heard that he was Indian,but no one can find his parents. There is much written on him in Dubois Co.,but nothing prior to comming to Indiana,although some say he was an Indian fighter in Ky too. We do know that he had bros with him in Indiana,Isaac who m. a Risley,and James. There was also Benjamin and a John (but this may be Jonathan,himself)who might be bros who were in Indiana with him. There is also a Thomas,who was older. He was thought to have been with George Rogers Clark,and possably lived in Clark Co or some other southern Indiana CO. He stayed with Jonathan when he came to sigh petitions,etc,but was not permanetly with him. Some times Jonathan went by Jons or Jots or John. I do have his children’s lines.
THis is all that I have on him,except for more of his famous stories. As for Beady Walker,we have no dates,places or wife’s names. Jonathan could be a son or grandson or further back to Beady. My grandmother practiced folk or mountain medicine. She was called on when they could not get a doctor. She taught me much of it. She was a midwife. She used all kinds of folk remedies. I knew her sisters and they all talked very quaint,like mountain people did. They were born in Pike Co. She had lots of superstisions,old sayings,planted by the moon,etc. I also knew her aunt,Jonathan’s grandaughter,and have a picture of my g grandmother,her sister. If they did not look Indian,neither did Tonto. My gg aunt looked and acted so like one. I still have pictures of her.
Anyway, can anyone please help me? I know that I am searching for an Indian in a haystack,but I know that he is there! I had hoped that I would be able to solve this mystery and prove grannie’s story before my mother and her sister died,but I did not make it. They both died within 12 days of each other one year ago,the last of my grandmother’s children. As I said,I have proven all of grannies other family stories,so I do think that it was true. It may have been a bit changed down threw the generations,but not by her. She did say that Beady was an Indian chief,but I did not put much credence in that part as I figured that it was embelished down through time. IF one has an Indian in there heritage,they want him to be a chief! But too many factors do add up in the puzzle to the fact that the Walkers were Indian,and I really do think that it all points to your Blackfoot Cherokee or another like the Melungeon. I am also trying to learn about my husband’sw family,but that will be a separate posting. This story is my passion. I just have to find Jonathan’s pedigree! Does any of this sound familiar to anyone?
Thanks so much,Judy
July 16, 2006 at 6:01 am #22268I forgot to add that my mother,myself and my children all have the characteristics. We all have shovel teeth(at least I did before I had them capped!) The anatolian lump on the base of the head,second toe larger than the great toe,the extra eye folds,and others. I even have a cousin that has an extra toe on one of her feet.
The more that I read on this site,the more names that I see which may connect to our family. Johnston/Johnson,Ralston,Bolin and more.
Can I find a list of the names that are common?
Thanks I realy do like this site!
July 16, 2006 at 6:01 am #22408Judy,
Jonathan Walker’s dau Indiana marr’d Harvey Vandiver on 12 Nov 1857 in Spencer Co., Ind. Some family trees showing Jonathan d.abt. 1856 are incorrect.
1860 Spencer Co., In Census; Carter Twp; 25 Aug; p.124; P.O. Dale, Ind
Household 893:
Harvy Vandiver, 21, male, – , Farmer, $0 R.E., $60 Pers.Prop; Ind
Indiana………., 17, female, – , Ind.
Melvina………., 11 months, f, – , Ind.
Jonathan Walker, 72, male, – , $0, $60, Ky.
Household 896 was Jonathan’s son-in-law Sword Beard who marr’d Catharine Walker on 13 May 1848 in Dubois Co., Ind, but Catherine must have died by 1860 as “Sord” ‘s wife is Sariah, 19, b. Ky.
I found marr records for several of Jonathan’s children if you don’t have those.
July 16, 2006 at 6:01 am #22424Dear Bill,Thanks so much for your reply. We know about the census with Indiana Walker Vandiver and her husband with Jonathan Walker in it. We do have a picture of Jonathan’s tombstone,put there by the DAR. It has 1854 on it. The census has been brought up in discussion by many. However,it is thought by most that it has to be a cousin,nephew,etc of our Jonathan. I have reserves about it myself,just do not know what to agree with. However,it HAS to be a close relative,if not Jonathan,due to the family links and aprox. birth dates. I have a double conection to Sword Beard/Baird who married Catherine Walker,Jonathan’s daughter. My link to the Walker family is through son,Dessick who had a daughter,Elzina Walker,my g grandmother. She m. Hugh Beard/Baird who was a relative of Sword. I think,although I have not found much on it,that he was a bro to Hugh Beard, I do know that my family has said that he was a relative,but not sure how. I would be interested in any of the records that you have,although I do have some of them. Know that my g grandfather,Dessick Walker was m. 6 or 7times. He married,Prudence (Prudy,Pudia) Mayo(1st wife and mother of all of his children) , Widow,Celia H. Waller, Mary E. Woodker,Elizabeth Williams,Mary E. Bennett,Widow Spraggins,and Widow Matilda Hopkins,nee Radford.
You know the Beard family marries into the Walker family at least four times in from both the children of Jonathan and the children of Dessick,also one other connection where a Beard m.a bro of one of Goodman who m. another of Jonathan’s daughters.THis makes me curious as to just how far back the Walkers and Beard/Baird’s were connected. The father of Hugh Beard ( my g grandfather and husband of Elzina Walker)was Obedient Baird/Beard. The name Beady Walker could sure come from a name like Obedient. Just food for thought. Thanks for the info and please keep looking for my Native American ancestor who is so well hidden!
July 16, 2006 at 6:01 am #22443Compare the 1850 census to the 1860 census posted above.
1850 Dubois Co., In Census; Patoka Twp; 28 Aug; p.468; household 641:
Jonathan Walker, 60, m, – , farmer, $300, Ky.
Mary……………, 55, f, – , Ky
Sampson………, 22, m, – , farmer, Ind.
Derrick…………, 18, m, – , Ind (does not look like Dessick to me)
Bloomfield…….., 16, m, – , Ind
Charlotte………, 13, f, – , Ind
Lurena…………., 11, f, – , Ind
Indiana…………, 8, f, – , Ind
Household 642 is Jesse Sumner and Surilda (nee Walker)
Household 643 is Peter Walker and Martha (nee Winkler)
Household 644 is Thomas Sumner and Mary (nee Walker)
Household 645 is Sourd Beard and Catherine (nee Walker)
some distance away in Household 790
is Finley Collins and Mary (nee Walker)
July 16, 2006 at 6:01 am #22478All of these counties were connecting counties in Southern Indiana. Even if it is our Jonathan,it still does not give me any hints of his ancestry or pedigree. Just brings up more questions. The dates and family links sure makes one wonder if indeed,it was him.
There just has to be something someplace in Ky.,or N.C. that we can learn something from! Of course the counties of Ky. and N.C. being where they orriginated from makes me think that Va. can also be included in the list of probable places,and could add Tenn. to it. There were just so many Walkers of the same names as he and his bros. that it just muddles which one is them. I am thinking that if no one has anything on Jonathan,why not his bros.Isaac or James. Perhaps Benjamin,John,or the Thomas who fits in. Maybe very early Indian records in the areas. Then of course there is good old Beady(or what ever or however it was spelled) Walker. Any native references to him? Could Beaty have been the last name and the first Walker,back then? Perhaps the white wife was named one or the other. Just more questions. I have tried to look in the Cheokee censuses that are on the internet,but have not been able to find him. Of course all of the native names,make me wonder,what would be the Cheokee name for Beady Walker(or as I said the real name or spelling thereof) Thanks for any help in this mystery. I am not as easily swayed as my daughter,that it was not a real story that grannie told. Too many things point to it as being real. Down threw however many generations it went down to her,some things may have been changed,but I do think that it was a real ancestor,and if it takes until I am senile,I intend to keep searching for him. JOnathan would have been her g grandfather,so that is not too many generations,although she never knew him.
July 16, 2006 at 6:01 am #26027Judy, we need to get together sometime so I can share some information with you. My name is Tony Walker, and I am directly linked to Jonathan Walker, Dessick, etc. I do have some great pictures I am willing to share with you if you want digital copies, I also have most of the original documents from that time area concerning my Family. I was lucky enough to come across a relative in Spencer County that once I proved who I am to them, gave me a entire collection of Walker heirlooms, including nice items as guns, to smaller things as farm tools, dishes, and journals. (Not to much on the journals..a few from the sons of Jonathan during the Civil War era… because reading and writing was something a farmer cherished..lol) The older gentleman was towards the end of his Life and wanted to make sure it stayed within the family and not at a auction. It has been a 3 year journey all through Southern Indiana, but a fun one. I’ll be honest, I doubt I will check these forums that much at all. Someone contacted me about your posts here, and after reading it I thought we should speak via either email, phone, in person etc. SO…contact me through email at xboxjunkie@insightbb.com. I live within Gibson County, Indiana so I hope in fact your near also. Take care.
Btw, I have some updated info on the Indiana theory who spoke about last year to me on here. Found someone in Duff, Indiana that has some info.
Tony Walker
July 16, 2006 at 6:01 am #28765Thanks to you all for sharing. I have a ggrandmother and grandfather Walker who were from Md and Pa areas. I think that there may be a connection as the family lore stories have interesting matches. I will tell them to you as I recall them.
My granfather Portch had many brothers (6 or 7), some of them were alcoholic and were beaten up by the other brothers and sent away permanently for the trouble that they had cause. His wife was Maxine Walker, and her father and uncle Norman also lived in N Va. All can be traced back to both Williamsport, Lancaster, and Blackfoot Town Md I believe.
Anyway, the story goes like this. That John Walker was this incredible man as you described. The stories as a kid left me thinking this guy was a hero and like superman. Now my ggrndfather Walker always vowed that they were of scottish or dutch descent. Yet his wife used to sarcastically comment ‘all indians say that’. As a kid I never thought much about that.
She used to go into the basement and smoke a pipe, and it was her big secret. I discovered it as a child, after a family reunion we had stayed to help clean up and I wandered down there and caught her. She told me not to tell anyone or the family would reject her and look down on her and make big problems for her so I never did, as I thought then it was a one time things she was trying out.
Anyway, I am rambling. However, my grandfather Portch, also a darker reddish skinned, strong and tall man, was a superintendent for a large construction outfit. My grandmother’s family was always angry because he would not hire them,(Walkers) due to their ‘drinking problems’. The lore is that at one point in time the family in the MD, PA areas split over those work/drinking/family issues, and the many brothers scattered and noone knew where they went, as they lost touch permanently. The brothers in the Portch side did the same thing, and my grandfather told us the last he saw of some of his brothers or heard from them was the day he took them to the train station, sent them off, and told them not to come back ever.
Oddly, I have never seen or met any one from the Walker side of my family other than my g grandad, his wife, his brother Norman, and his family. Norman was also a tall lanky man with reddish darker skin and a guant nose. Eugene, his brother, was smaller and smiling and gentle and kind hearted all the time, but also had that nose. It is not a nose you see in dutch or scottish descent at all to my knowledge. I do remember that one of their lifelong struggles was to find decent work. For some reason noone would hire them for a good paying job, even other relatives, which hurt them very much. I presume that may be because of the drinking and/or the indian descent.
I know as a kid I remember my grandfather Portch telling me that his bosses would not let him hire Indians because of their drinking problems. He seemed very sad and sorrowful about it, and stated ‘he wished he could but would lose his job if he did’. he would always get very silent and look out the pickup truck window for while after saying that and I would just sit there. I could almost see ears in his eyes. He loved to play with us kids and collected all types of toys and trains for us to play with when we came over.
He was a strong man and had a picture of an indian cheif on his mantle that was never explained to me. It has disappeared. I was always told ‘it was just a picture of an indian’ but it was in the prize position on the mantle. He also had large oil painting portraits of indians on his walls, that I was always told were just nice pictures he liked. His features and skin tone and color matched those of the people in those pictures exactly. On his desk (he was a contractor with a small cluttered office in a corner of the house by the stairs) was another framed picture, a small drawing it appeared, of an indian. I’m guessing it might have been his father or grandfather.
Unfortunately when he died, the 7 kids, brothers and sisters all with spouses, went to war with each other over his possessions, and everything was carted off and sold. Everything that was left as sold in a yard sale to help my grandmother pay for the funeral costs and his medical expenses. Most of the family still does not communicate as a result of all that. It left bitter scars. All I got from him was an old screwdriver.
I want to call my grandmother to find out more, but am a bit leary as her and my mom have been in a bitter fued for years over little junk imo, and my mom recently left my dad which is her son.
I would appreciate any more Walker or Portch history anyone can find or knows. I cannot find anything on Portch. It seems a large number of them suddenly appeared in Williamsport/ Cumberland gap arrea of Md 4-7 generations back. That is where the Potomac meets other large streams and where the Gap was widened for traveling traders and was mostly setlled by Blackfoot or Taponi indians from what little I understand so far. It was a river junction that natives from all over could easily canoe goods for trading to and from all the way from Blacktown, to Clarksville by water, and up into Deleware, WV, Ohio, and PA They all meet together right there.
July 16, 2006 at 6:01 am #28766Also, my dad says there was a Mary Walker but he is not sure if she was a sister or aunt or other relative of his grandmother.
July 16, 2006 at 6:01 am #28767there is also a list on a treaty about the blacktown area with a list of hte original 100 and John Walker’s name is on that.
July 16, 2006 at 6:01 am #28769Did you hear about Blackfoot Town here, or did you know about it already? What is this treaty?
July 16, 2006 at 6:01 am #28771I had heard of it, but always thought it was in W Va or western Va somewhere, until I read more about it here. I will try to find the document again (not sure if it was a treaty), from what I understood of it it had the list of 100 original families there.
July 16, 2006 at 6:01 am #28772Linda wrote: Did you hear about Blackfoot Town here, or did you know about it already? What is this treaty?
It was not a treaty, but a list of the Dagsborough 100 based on tax records I believe. The land treaty was with a notable female chief, apparently and later challenged.(of course)
http://www.accessible.com/amcnty/DE/Delaware/delaware76.htm
July 16, 2006 at 6:01 am #28775I have traced two of those lines, Marvel and Prettyman, to Blackfoot Cemetery in Indiana. By that, I mean, online genealogy lines posted by some descendent demonatrated the connection between the areas.
I have two of those surnames, Potter and Houston.
Techteach
July 16, 2006 at 6:01 am #28780Can you track down that list? So we know now at least one Indian family was on that list. Who knows what else it will tell us.
Thanks.
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