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I have to wonder what all really took place during that time period as tribes migrated north into Pennsylvania from a native perspective. here they were driven from tehir fertile farmlands and food sources, going into areas with harsher winters and armies of both the french and english entrenched against them and each other.
As they were doing that it is clear they were reforming, regrouping, and clans and families were deciding which routes to go and not go. As they did that we also see some tribal warrior counts drop drastically(perhaps many did not agree and went off with other groups/tribes?) while others grew. From the Va/Piedmont family of souian (call them tutelo, blackfoot, or saponi whatever tuist you) they were probably picking up small clans and tribes as they went who all realized they had to get out of the area. I am sure it was a sad and hard time for them all. Hard times tend to bring people groups who may not have been so close before much closer, especially when a common destroying force is at work against them.
I have read where the Caddo, a tribe that occupied parts of N Va and DC areas, probably was a spin off from another va tribe (powhatan? maybe), joined the Delewarre tribe as they went. After that the Delaware tribe went out to cloud co kansas then quickly to Oklaholma. They drifted around from reservation to reservation. I wonder how many natives of the vriosu tribes left their former tribes when they met in Pa and went with them, rather than north into harsher winters, poorer farm lands, and the armies of the French.
I am starting to think that is how many of my ancestors originated and migrated. They pop up in the reservation roles of various states out west later. Obviously moving around, obviously intermarrying, listed usually as tribal members with whatever reservation sections they were living in. I wonder how many of them wandered from reservation to reservation looking for lost relatives, like people did post ww2.
I even found my now g mother’s name as a less than 1 yr old baby on one. It is clear to me they moved then back towards their homelands, settling for a time in New castle and Shenango (considered a Caddo and a Delaware tribal village). Later they moved back to the N Va area, sort of retracing their migration steps in reverse. Checking Shenango’s census records, there were no people of their names living there prior to people of the same names disappearing from reservation census roles out west.
I have to wonder if some of my family did not originate from further south in the Roanoke arrea where my g mother held a farm for a while in her 50s. Later the Va gov seized the property due to back taxes that were owed previous to her even owning it, they claimed.
Anyway, I just have to wonder how many families share a similar migration/return history who may have joined the Delaware tribe as they went west for safety. I have ot wonder if it was not a majority of Saponi rather than a minority who made that choice in Pa.
To me it seems more sensible that more would choose to go west then, to known feritle farmlands with natives already farming to supply food there, where no hostile enemy militaries exist. Than to go north and face a dubious situation with a known fierce enemy in the Iroquois, and the french armies as well as harsher winters and poorer farmlands.
The Caddo were obvioulsy either related with or very friendly with the Saponi, shared their souian heritage, and went with the Delaware. At that time the native had been promised the lands in Kansas, Arkansas, and Oklaholma.
Another indicator for that this may well be what happened, is the pictures you have on the site Linda, the one of the man on the lower right looks very much like my ggrandfather Walker, the lady next to him shares a strong resemblance to my gmother.
It is easy for me to trace my lineage thru 3 out of my 4 grandparents to reservation roles or the areas right around them pre settlement by europeans. It is finding out what happened before that that is harder.
I see both a Walker and a Chamberlain with my family first and surnames in Blackfoot Town. Does anyone know of any documents or roles that may have listed Delaware tribe members? They seem to disappear from historic records when they went west, I suppose landing on reservations and being listed as Dakota/Souix or other tribes.
Wachinika;28374 wrote: Thanks, Junglegeorge, for this awsome link! Down the page in JG’s link in post #13 is the list of the first settlers in the area. Given the date, Indians were having land deeds by this time so these may be possible leads, would you think? I’ll recopy the link in this post too and include the list so we know we always have it here. Thanks again, Junglegeorge:
http://www.accessible.com/amcnty/DE/Delaware/delaware76.htm
The following is excerpted from Accessible Archives:
Tingle, Wm.
Tingle, John.
Tingle, Caleb.
I’m seeing one of these ancestors, John Tingle b.1756 Sussex DE – 1824 Scott KY, in the genealogy of a DNA cousin (F325091). The match to my mother is 24.6cM, a portion is also a match to Clovis-Anzick.
This line marries into:
Skidmore of Hampshire WV / Trimble KY,
Estes of Spotsylvania VA / Fayette KY,
Smith of VA / Oldham KY (Nay, Hibbs, Tucker lines in my tree in Oldham KY at same time)
Shepherd of Albermarle VA / Henry KY
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