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August 8, 2010 at 4:13 am #4045
I was just re-reading William’s Byrd’s History of the Dividing Line and came across the passage in which Ned Bearskin, the Saponi guide who provided the expedition with meat, answered a question as to what his religious beliefs were. I’ve long felt that he was not describing traditional Saponi beliefs, but the beliefs he likely picked up in the School at Fort Christanna. He was likely too old to have been a student there, but it was a small settlement of people and quite believable to me that these catechisms were known to everyone there.
What’s debatable to me is whether these were his actual beliefs, or he was telling them what they wanted to hear. To me, it’s a bit too early for all this to have trickled down into Saponi consciouscness as a true world view. Perhaps some of the children were absorbing it, but those already adult I’d expect to be skeptical and have other beliefs they found more germaine to their identity. The passage is as follows:
In the evening we examined our friend Bearskin, concerning the religion of his country, and he explained it to us, without any of that reserve to which his nation is subject. He told us he believed there was one supreme God, who had several subaltern deities under him. And that this master God made the world a long time ago. That he told the sun, the moon, and stars, their business in the beginning, which they, with good looking after, have faithfully performed ever since. That the same Power that made all things at first has taken care to keep them in the same method and motion ever since. He believed that God had formed many worlds before he formed this, but that those worlds either grew old and ruinous, or were destroyed for the dishonesty of the inhabitants. That God is very just and very good–ever well pleased with those men who possess those god-like qualities. That he takes good people into his safe protection, makes them very rich, fills their bellies plentifully, preserves them from sickness, and from being surprised or overcome by their enemies. But all such as tell lies, and cheat those they have dealings with, he never fails to punish with sickness, poverty and hunger, and, after all that, suffers them to be knocked on the head and scalped by those that fight against them. He believed that after death both good and bad people are conducted by a strong guard into a great road, in which departed souls travel together for some time, till at a certain distance this road forks into two paths, the one extremely level, and the other stony and mountainous. Here the good are parted from the bad by a flash of lightning, the first being hurried away to the right, the other to the left. The right hand road leads to a charming warm country, where the spring is everlasting, and every month is May; and as the year is always in its youth, so are the people, and particularly the women are bright as stars, and never scold. That in this happy climate there are deer, turkeys, elks, and buffaloes innumerable, perpetually fat and gentle, while the trees are loaded with delicious fruit quite throughout the four seasons. That the soil brings forth corn spontaneously, without the curse of labour, and so very wholesome, that none who have the happiness to eat of it are ever sick, grow old, or die. Near the entrance into this blessed land sits a venerable old man on a mat richly woven, who examines strictly all that are brought before him, and if they have behaved well, the guards are ordered to open the crystal gate, and let them enter into the land of delight. The left hand path is very rugged and uneven, leading to a dark and barren country, where it is always winter. The ground is the whole year round covered with snow, and nothing is to be seen upon the trees but icicles. All the people are hungry, yet have not a morsel of any thing to eat, except a bitter kind of potato, that gives them the dry gripes, and fills their whole body with loathsome ulcers, that stink, and are insupportably painful. Here all the women are old and ugly, having claws like a panther, with which they fly upon the men that slight their passion. For it seems these haggard old furies are intolerably fond, and expect a vast deal of cherishing. They talk much, and exceedingly shrill, giving exquisite pain to the drum of the ear, which in that place of torment is so tender, that every sharp note wounds it to the quick. At the end of this path sits a dreadful old woman on a monstrous toad-stool, whose head is covered with rattle-snakes instead of tresses, with glaring white eyes, that strike a terror unspeakable into all that behold her. This hag pronounces sentence of woe upon all the miserable wretches that hold up their hands at her tribunal. After this they are delivered over to huge turkey-buzzards, like harpies, that fly away with them to the place above mentioned. Here, after they have been tormented a certain number of years, according to their several degrees of guilt, they are again driven back into this world, to try if they will mend their manners, and merit a place the next time in the regions of bliss. This was the substance of Bearskin’s religion, and was as much to the purpose as could be expected from a mere state of nature, without one glimpse of revelation or philosophy. It contained, however, the three great articles of natural religion: the belief of a God; the moral distinction betwixt good and evil; and the expectation of rewards and punishments in another world. Indeed, the Indian notion of a future happiness is a little gross and sensual, like Mahomet’s paradise. But how can it be otherwise, in a people that are contented with Nature as they find her, and have no other lights but what they receive from purblind tradition?
This is from an online version of Byrd’s Journal, which can be read here:
http://docsouth.unc.edu/nc/byrd/byrd.html
From what little I know of Siouan beliefs and Native beliefs in general, they have a very differnt cosmology and when we find elements that seem familiar to people from a tradition of Christianity, generally it reflects the proselytizing of those Natives, and not an original belief system.
August 8, 2010 at 4:13 am #35247Actually, I have to take that back about Ned being too old to have been schooled as a child at Fort Christanna. The Fort opened in 1713, the school was instituted soon thereafter, and the boundary between NC and VA was drawn in 1733, twenty years later. So he would be right in that generation that went through the schooling, which taught Christianity and English.
Also, take note of the Medussa-like character who pronounces judgment on the bad, then note the Pergatory the bad spend time in. The reincarnation described at the very end is the only non-European element in the whole business. The attitudes toward sex, in which it is co-mingled with religious doctrine are probably not European either.
The male slant (the whole doctrine pertains to male punishments and rewards) I’ve wondered may have been something fanciful Ned interjected into the mix to entertain his buddies. This was after a turkey feast, with, I imagine, some rum passed around the campfire. Or it may be one Siouan element. I’ve been told that in Siouan religions males will pray to Grandfather for guidance and comfort, and females will pray to Grandmother. Perhaps Ned’s female classmates had an entirely different paradise and hell, with males being either nice or nasty, depending where they ended up.
August 8, 2010 at 4:13 am #35248Seems to have a bit of a Christian lilt to it.
August 8, 2010 at 4:13 am #35249Yeah, definitely a Christian influence in there, but some of it could have come from before Fort Christanna, such as from intermarriage with whites, or from neighboring tribes that had more experience with Christianity. The Spaniards went through the southeast in the 1500’s wreaking all sorts of havoc, but I’d be surprised if there weren’t more than one native who became Christian and later returned to his people.
I read an interesting article on the spread of Spanish loanwords in Southeastern languages, most of these words, once adopted from the Spanish, traveled from one native language to the next. I’d imagine a similar thing could have happened with religion. Christian influence was first documented in the inland Pacific northwest long before missionaries ever made it there, probably influence from metis fur trappers from the east. The native non-Christian religion as practiced today has a lot of Christian influence.
Its also possible that some amongst the Saponi, or a neighboring tribe, saw the power of the newcomers, and figured that learning the way of their god might bring some of that power. The Hawaiians quickly saw the power of the white man’s religion over their own, and overthrow their own religious system before missionaries ever stepped foot in the islands. And the Nez Perce send people to St Louis to acquire some of the white man’s knowledge, only after that did the missionaries come. They later wore out their welcome and were killed.
Thought it was interesting that both the Saponi and Catawba had a taboo against cooking deer and turkey together.
August 8, 2010 at 4:13 am #35254Thought it was interesting that both the Saponi and Catawba had a taboo against cooking deer and turkey together.
I can just see some of those “Lost Tribe of Israel” theorists jumping up and saying that’s evidence of Kosher influence. :rolleyes: 😉
August 8, 2010 at 4:13 am #35255Hee Hee, nice to see we’re getting to the bottom of this. This string got me to reading William Byrd’s History of the Dividing Line, wow what an education that is!
August 8, 2010 at 4:13 am #35260spilleddi;35617 wrote: The native non-Christian religion as practiced today has a lot of Christian influence.
That’s VERY true here in the Northwest, isn’t it?
It really looks like the more civilized the group, the more likely it is to incorporate elements of other groups’ cultures and religions. As a result, many Indian nations incorporated the horse, guns, elements of Christianity, etc., into their own traditions, rather than trying to eradicate the people who had introduced these things.
August 8, 2010 at 4:13 am #35263Yeah, here its Waashat and 1910 Shaker Church. But even when Lewis and Clark came through, they were describing Christian elements that could only have gotten here by fur trappers or passed on from other tribes.
Although missionaries and forced schooling of native children did most of the indoctrination into Christianity, native folks weren’t in some innocent passive state were they had all this forced on to them. There were folks who searched out this new power that the white man had, just as there were tribes who viewed the white man as a powerful ally against their traditional enemies, and willingly joined them in battle against other native peoples. I recall reading about some South Carolina Indians in the 1600s that heard that Europeans came from a land to the east, so they set sail in a large canoe to find this land! Dont think they were heard from again.
Look at what native peoples are doing today. We change with the times and incorporate new things into our culture. Last time I was in Hawaii, I was listening to rap music in Hawaiian!
August 8, 2010 at 4:13 am #35269Yup, Washat and Shaker is what I had in mind. And there’s no telling who had travelled into this area prior to Lewis and Clark. Or how far east people from this area had travelled for that matter.
The Columbia Plateau Indians travelled into Montana, east of Bozeman IIRC, to hunt buffalo every few years. Although these hunts often ended with battles against the territorial and jealous plains Blackfoot, not every hunt ended in fighting. No telling who the Columbia Indians met on some of these trips. The father of Moses, contemporary of Joseph, was killed on one of these trips, as was his father IIRC. These hunts had been ongoing on a somewhat regular basis since at least the late 1700s, so some exposure to Christianity could’ve occurred years or even decades before Lewis and Clark.
Heck, the Metis have traditions that some of their European forebears were in the Americas well before Columbus, and that some of the Metis were wandering into the Rockies prior to Lewis and Clark, too.
Rap music in Hawaiian? Not surprising.
August 8, 2010 at 4:13 am #35277I understand the different ways Christianity wandered through the woods, but I also like to remember the words of Jesus. Paraphrased, If they (His disciples) keep quiet, the rocks and trees shall shout out.
Perhaps they did.
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