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I recieved a email from one of the Thomas Perry researchers from one of my groups and wondered if anybody here could shed some light on it as GREEN has been a name that has popped up on the forum in the past.
In revisiting the 1790 census for Northumberland County, PA
(ftp://ftp.uscensus.org/pub/usgenweb/census/pa/northumberland/1790/pg0190.txt)
where my Thomas Perry moved to from Sussex County…I find a Joseph Green. A Joseph Green had married the widow of David Perry. I have never been able to find any other Perry’s in Northumberland dating from the time that Thomas Perry says he ‘removed with his father’s family’ from Sussex, NJ to PA. Since he doesn’t mention his father…only his father’s family, I have long wondered if perhaps his father had died and his mother remarried and thus, listed in the census by another name. I realize the timeline doesn’t fit but wonder if anyone knows where the Joseph Green who married David Perry’s widow came from.
Correspondence from Bob Fiedler dated 15 Nov 2000:
“I am also looking for info on a David Perry, his wife and children. The only son we have by name is James….David came with his family from the Warwick, Orange Co., NY area to Ovid, now Seneca Co., NY in 1797. He died Jan 1805 near Starkey, Yates Co. NY. His widow then married a Joseph Green and they moved to Perry Township , now Lake Co., Ohio. A Joseph Green is buried in nearby Mdison….
In 1800 (Ovid Census) he had 2 sons under age 10, 2 sons between age 10 and 16, and one 16 to 26, which is James. He also had 4 daughters. It is very possible that some of David’s sons, either born in Ovid or Warwick area, moved on from Ohio when they became adults….
We estimate that David was born between 1755 and 1760 probably in Orange Co. NY, or Sussex Co. NJ (border kept moving in that area during that period. [! – exclamation point from me, nancy]
James sons: Thomas b 1802, Lewis 1804, David 1808 (d. 1825, b. in Milo, Yates Co. NY), Enos, William. His daughters: Phebe [! – again], Abigail, Amarillus, Delila. All are acounted for.”
My g-g-g-grandfather was Thomas PERRY , a RW Soldier married Catherine FISHER and ended up in Washington Co. Ohio which is a place also mentioned on this forum.
Brenda:
None of my Joseph Greens is in the right location. They are in Licking County or near Lancaster, Ohio. I have a book here, “The Green Tree” that follows this Green family.
Cindy
Thank you for responding. Does any of the branches go that far north?
This is my mother’s Perry line. I think they were in Colonial America early then migerated to NJ area and further north in Pa&NY mixing with the Native Americans. The Perry’s ended up in Columbia , Washington, and Vinton counties of Ohio.
I will try sending Linda Pictures of this line so you can see what they look like.
Brenda
Brenda:
I will check tomorrow. I have been corresponding with a cousin in Michigan who has done an extensive genealogy of the Greens. She says there are some mistakes in the book. I have hers, but I have not looked at it in any depth. My summer project. These Greens came from the banks of the Opequon Creek and Potomac River, appearing in Berkeley County, VA (now WV) records in the late 1700’s (Their land was surveyed by G. Washington, sold to them by Fairfax, and “taken” by Jost Hite.). From there, most went first to Lancaster, Ohio (between 178+ and 1805) and then settled near Johnston, in Licking County, Ohio. They appear to have been Shawnee who listed themselves as white and mixed with white. I have a picture of my ggrandmother, who was a Green granddaughter. She is clearly at least part native American.
I believe that the book does mention 4 Green brothers who came to Licking County from PA that the author is not sure he can account for. I will double check.
Likewise, if you run across a Huston (Andrew), no one can account for him. He married my Green gggggrandmother in Licking County. Some mention that they believe he was at least part native American, but he appears out of nowhere, and his children have conflicting stories about his origins – PA, Kentucky, or VA. This Green family intermarried with the sons and daughters of the gggrandmother who has the Blackfoot ID in northeast Iowa.
Cindy
Brenda:
I doubt that these are the folks you are looking for, but “The Green Tree” mentions 4 Green brothers who come to Lancaster, Ohio from somewhere in Pennsylvania (does not mention where) in 1805. One of these brothers was named Joseph and his wife’s name was Sarah Ann.
Cindy
PS: Interestingly enough, there is a Thomas Perry mentioned on one page as a supporter for a family member’s Revolutionary War claim. This family member was named Butt, a family that extensively intermarried with my Greens. No further mention or details.
Cindy,
Thomas Perry was a soldier in the RW. Here is a copy of record I have in my files:
Pension Application of Thomas Perry
STATE OF OHIO
COUNTY OF WASHINGTON
Thomas Perry’s Pension Application
This 23rd day of October 1832 personally in open court for the judge of the court of common pleas now sitting Thomas Perry, a resident of Wesley Township of the county and state aforesaid ,aged 76 years . after being duly sworn according to law, doth on his oath , make the following declaration in order to obtain the benefits of the act of Congress passed June 7th 1832.That he entered the service of the United States under the following named officers, serving as followed: viz
I was born in the state of New Jersey, Sussex County in the year of 1754. I first entered the militia service in New Jersey but cannot recollect the year as a substitute but for whom I cannot recollect as I was then very young, under Capt. Cole and was out two months on the Delaware River at Ninisick. I got no written discharge from this service but was relieved at the end of two months. Our service was to guard the inhabitants along the Delaware from the Indians. The next year I was out again as substitute for whom not recollected one month and served at Elizabethtown, Trenton, Brunswick, and was relieved by a new recruit as on the first service. The next year I went out as a volunteer under Capt. Richard Etchell and Col. John Soward; we marched from near Sussex Courthouse to New Winsor on the North River where the British were expected to land—but when they found us so strong that they could not land, they went down past New York and went to a place called Red Banks below Philadelphia.
Immediately marched after them to Red Banks and lay there during the siege of Mud Island Fort and until it was taken, when we were discharged. On this service I was engaged two months. My discharge was signed by Col. Soward and has been lost for more than 40 years. My father’s family soon after removed to Pennsylvania 12 miles above Reading on the Little Schuylkill where we lived 5 years. I never received anything for these three tours.
In the Spring of the year the army wintered at the Valley Forge, as near as I can recollect, I enlisted in the State troops of Pennsylvania for three years, unless sooner discharged. At Henry Shoemaker’s Tavern ,12 miles above Reading on the Little Schuylkill, we first rendezvoused at Reading and then marched to Philadelphia and were then signed and registered; we then marched under the officers who enlisted us to Morristown, New Jersey where we expected to join the army but it had marched before we got there. We overtook them at a place called Tappen. I believe, then went into Maj. Talbot’s Company. Talbot had been a Captain but was advanced to rank of Major. Our first lieutenant Jonathan or Benjamin Lodge. Col. Harmon commanded the regiment which was the 6th of the second brigade. I served in a Company of Maj. Talbot 6 Th. Reg , 2nd Brig until I was discharged at the end of three years. Col. Harmon left our Regiment before I was discharged and I think took the command of the 1st Reg. Of the C7th Brigade but I am not sure. General Wayne commanded this division to which I belonged from the opening to the close of each campaign during the three years we were almost constantly marching from one place to another wherever the enemy drew us. We wintered 2 winters at a place called Jockey Hollow in Somerset County. I believe I do not recollect where we wintered the other winter , but believe it to have been in New Jersey. I was engaged in many skirmishes during my service.
I was engaged in the skirmish of Springfield where we drove the British. I was on the baggage guard at the Battle of Monmouth, having been one of those selected from our company for guarding the baggage in that battle General Wayne commanded our company with several others were marched as a reinforcement to Trenton but did not get there til after the enemy had surrendered.
My discharge was signed by General Washington and lost at the same time with those mentioned above. For my 3 years service I received certificates which I sold to Robert Richie who lived at the mouth of Bald Eagle Creek, a branch of the Susquehannah, for $20.00, $10.00 in cash and $10.00 in store goods. After my discharge I went as a substitute for a man whose name I do not recollect who had been drafted or enlisted for 7 months. We were put in companies that were broken to fill up vacancies and I was selected by Major Talbot and went into my old company and at the time of the 7 months received a discharge signed by Major Talbot which was also lost with the others.
I have no record of my age and have been living in Ohio for 30 years and where I now live for 7 years, I removed home from Northumberland Co., Pa. Augustus Stone and Heil/Thiel Dinsmore are persons who can testify as to my service. I hereby relinquish every claim whatever to a pension or annuity except this present, and declared that my name is not on the pension roll of the agency of any state. Sworn to and subscribed the day and year aforesaid. Atest, George Dunlevy, Clerk
Signed ,Thomas Perry
I don’t believe the Perry line at this point is Indian. Thomas married a Catherine FISHER and they had a son John PERRY who married Abigail PATTERSON. I believe the Indian blood came through the Patterson line.
Samuel Perry
Molly Perry Bennett
Charlotte Perry
Zelma Bennett (my mother)
Linda,
Know you were bust last Friday and wanted to remind you about the images I sent to place in the above post.
Brenda
Thanks for the reminder. We’re in a mess right now. Christmas sales are coming up and my site, http://www.greattradingpath.com is just starting to show some traffic and it needs a lot of work to be ready for customers, plus we’re half way through installing a new kitchen floor, half the house is torn apart, the other half’s a dusty mess. And the county fair is this week with the kids expecting to go. And I lose two hours a day carrying my husband to and from work since he wrecked his car a few weeks ago. (No, that incident has not inhibited his backseat driving any.)
If I don’t remember the pix tomorrow, please remind me again.
Brenda:
Your reminder helped me remember I did not reply here. Am teaching someone else’s class today so little time right now.
Thomas Butt, the RW war vet for whom this Thomas Perry supported in his pension claim, served in the Second Maryland Regiment, Continental Line, as a musician under Captain Silburn Williams jand Colonel Wolford. The Butts intermarry with my Green line, but how this Thomas Butt relates to the Greens, I can’t determine until I have time later to check how the line is. A Richard Butt marries a Sarah Green and these might have been his parents, but I will have to check later. Thomas Butt applies from Henry County, Illinois but goes to somewhere in Missouri after this.
Cindy
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