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Surfing I found this information:
In 1671 Colonel Wood did send out an exploring party under the leadership of Thomas Batts, Robert Fallam and Thomas Wood, and with Perecute, an Appomattox Indian as guide. The party followed up the Roanoke River to a toteros Indian village near present Salem, Virginia. Here Thomas Wood became ill and was left with the Indians. The party then crossed the mountains and came to the river which they named Woods River for their commander. For many years it was known as Woods River.
—–1831 Floyd County was formed from Montgomery County
1831-1776 Floyd County was a part of Montgomery County
1776-1772? Floyd was a part of Fincastle County
1772-1770? Floyd County was a part of Botetourt County
1770-1745 Floyd County was a part of Augusta County
1745-1734 ? Floyd County was a part of Orange County. Orange County was formed from Spotsylvania County in 1734. It then embraced not only its present area east of the Blue Ridge, but all the undefined claims of the colony of Virginia west of the Blue Ridge Mountains to the Pacific Ocean. Spotsylvania County was formed in 1721, but it is not believed to have been so constituted as to include any of the area west of the Blue Ridge Mountains, where Floyd County is situate.
For complete history of Floyd Co., Virginia:
http://www.floydvirginia.com/about/history.html
toteros Indian village …does this mean Totelo Indian Village?
Yes, the Appomatox Indians were the Saponi, and the Totero were the Tutelo. In the first volume of the Executive Journals of the Colonial Council of VA, 1680 to 1699, there’s only one mention of any of the VA/NC Siouan people — an Appomatox Indian who kills an Englishman.
Apparently, the response to the massacre of Bacon’s Rebellion was a retreat away from the British into the interior of the Piedmont.
Are Thomas Wood and Col. Wood 2 different people? Are they related? Do you know anything about their family, descendants, et cetera?
What is “Bacon’s Rebellion”?
So Appomatox and Tutero and Tutelo and Saponi are all the same thing?
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I don’t know if those two Woods are the same people.
Yes, those tribal names mean the same thing.
“Bacon’s Rebellion” in 1676, was a vigilante uprising in response to Indian attacks generally blamed on the Susquehannocks. They were living on an island downstream of the Occoneechi. For some reason, the Occoneechi volunteered to go and wipe out the Susquehannocks, the next day a disagreement erupted between the O’s and the vigilantes and the O’s were massacred.
I’m confused about what happened to Bacon. I know someone by that name was serving on the Executive Council into the 18th century.
To stave off future attacks and to bring the situation under control, Governor Berkeley ordered an investigation into the matter. He set up what was to be a disastrous meeting between the parties, which resulted in the murders of several tribal chiefs. Throughout the crisis, Berkeley continually pleaded for restraint from the colonists. Some, including Bacon, refused to listen. Nathaniel Bacon disregarded the Governor’s direct orders by seizing some friendly Appomattox Indians for “allegedly” stealing corn. Berkeley reprimanded him, which caused the disgruntled Virginians to wonder which man had taken the right action. It was here the battle lines were about to be drawn.
http://www.nps.gov/colo/Jthanout/BacRebel.html
At the end of Bacon’s Rebellion a treaty of peace was signed called the TREATY OF MIDDLE PLANTATION. According to Helen C. Rountree, former Professor of Anthropology at Old Dominion University and author of POCAHONTAS’S PEOPLE: THE POWHATAN INDIANS OF VIRGINIA THROUGH FOUR CENTURIES. University of Oklahoma Press (The Civilization of the American Indian Series), 1990, there were two versions– both, apparently, published– of the treaty. The first version was signed May, 1677, shortly after the end of the disturbance. “… word traveled through Indian country that the treaty was a fair one, so at the request of several other Indian leaders the treaty was expanded to include them. The new version of the treaty, which was signed between April and June 1680, had as additional signatories the leaders of the Iroquoian-speaking Meherrins and the Siouan-speaking Monacans and Saponis…..”, etc. Rountree, p. 100 The foot note to this comment is # 71 for chapter 5, on p. 313:
“These people were Shurenough from Manakin; MASTEGONOE, A “YOUNG KING” FROM SAPONI, TACHAPOAKE, A “CHIEFE MAN” FROM SAPONI; ……”, etc. (emphasis mine)
According to Rountree, the commissioners who investigated Bacon’s Rebellion and the confused situation surrounding it, found only one clear point— the tributary Indians had been “gratuitously attacked and despoiled.” The conflict with the Indians seemed to be provoked by the large land holders. p. 99
Brenda-
You may already know this, but the Collins surname is found among the Pamunkeys before 1900. Pages 188- 189 of Rountree’s PP she discusses the different meaning of “Indian” held by white Virginians and the Powhatens…….
“……..Among the Powhatens themselves, the term “Indian” appears, in the 1830s through at least the 1860s, to have meant both descent from the aborigines and kinship and social congeniality with those so descended. In other words, people who fitted in comfortably were accepted as at least fringe members. Most such people were probably other Indians. Thus, the Pamunkeys had had contact with the Catawbas of South Carolina since the late eighteeenth century, and they were to increase these contacts in the 1830s. Other congenial people were non-Indians who were allowed to marry in and become fringe members of the group. Through fringe children brought up as Indians, new surnames appeared among the core people. The surname Collins entered the Pamunkey reservation population in that way in the late eighteenth or early nineteenth century.
Note # 16 to chapter 8, p. 341:
“The Collinses apparently come from a man named William Collins, who was taxed as a white man by King William County in 1794 (King William Land [and Personal Property Tax] Books) yet became a charter member of Lower College Baptist Church, with wife Jane, on the “free colored” roll. (Colosse Baptist Church, Minute Book 1814- 1834). Jane may have been an Indian. Two generations later, in 1836, a Richard Collins. ‘ a descendant of the Indian Tribe’, enrolled at the same church (CBC Minute Bk. 1814-1870. p. 20).
Although Rountree’s book is focused on the Powhatan’s, she does illuminate the social & political history of Indians in Virginia……
Thank you Brenda for the information. Yes, I did know that the Collins surname was found among the Pumunkey and I have tried to contact the historian of the tribe on several occassions without success.
I track my Meredith ( spelled Meridia on very early militia records) 1776-1780 as being in Fincastle/Montgomery County Virginia. He marries (or takes up with) and unknown woman and Bradley is born 1787 ( later census places his birth in NC) Then I pick up Meredith again in Wilkes Co. NC 1797. By this time he is with Mary HOLLOWAY and there is a female child and another son added to the family. (Bradley, female, John W.) I have searched most NC counties and many of the Virginia counties with no luck of finding him from the 1780’s til 1797. My thoughts is that he was living among the Indians and not being listed by census takers. Does anybody know if Virginia reservation Indians were placed on rolls?
I also find it interesting that the first name William is handed down through the next several generations. My gr grandfather was a Richard Collins.
Brenda
I don’t know if rolls were kept or not in early Virginia. I’m wondering since some of the Fort Christina Indians attended church if there are church records?????
Brenda Ferrell Sampsel wrote: Brenda-
You may already know this, but the Collins surname is found among the Pamunkeys before 1900. Pages 188- 189 of Rountree’s PP she discusses the different meaning of “Indian” held by white Virginians and the Powhatens…….
“……..Among the Powhatens themselves, the term “Indian” appears, in the 1830s through at least the 1860s, to have meant both descent from the aborigines and kinship and social congeniality with those so descended. In other words, people who fitted in comfortably were accepted as at least fringe members. Most such people were probably other Indians. Thus, the Pamunkeys had had contact with the Catawbas of South Carolina since the late eighteeenth century, and they were to increase these contacts in the 1830s. Other congenial people were non-Indians who were allowed to marry in and become fringe members of the group. Through fringe children brought up as Indians, new surnames appeared among the core people. The surname Collins entered the Pamunkey reservation population in that way in the late eighteenth or early nineteenth century.
Note # 16 to chapter 8, p. 341:
“The Collinses apparently come from a man named William Collins, who was taxed as a white man by King William County in 1794 (King William Land [and Personal Property Tax] Books) yet became a charter member of Lower College Baptist Church, with wife Jane, on the “free colored” roll. (Colosse Baptist Church, Minute Book 1814- 1834). Jane may have been an Indian. Two generations later, in 1836, a Richard Collins. ‘ a descendant of the Indian Tribe’, enrolled at the same church (CBC Minute Bk. 1814-1870. p. 20).
Although Rountree’s book is focused on the Powhatan’s, she does illuminate the social & political history of Indians in Virginia……
Bringing this one back…
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