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In southern Person co NC (part of Granville originally) there lives a cluster of mixedbloods. Daye, Bass, Hayes, Parrish, Epps. There is a high concentration within a 10 mile radius of the crossroads community of Moriah. This is land that was owned by my mother’s, father’s, mother’s family.
Someone on this forum has discussed getting clues from old family photos. My fiancee and I looked through my mom’s OLD photos with my mom’s input on who was who (we will be writing names on photos or accompanyiny directory)
One face on the oldest picture jumped out at me and Becky. The lady in the photo looks full-blood. My mom identified her as Sula Meadows. Her father owned several thousands of acres centered at Moriah. Is it a coincidence that a number of mixed indians have been here throughout the same time? Or reason enough to pursue?
Sula Clement Meadows was the daughter of Groves and Mary Alice Meadows. She would have been born around 1870 as her son( my grandfather) was born in 1897 in Person co, NC.
I’ll post more as I find it but this should be a start.
Grove and Mary Alice could be Grose Meadows and Susan Clement
I have dates for Sula born June 17, 1870 …married April 10, 1889….. died Aug 13, 1936 in Person co NC
No, it is Groves Meadows and you’re right, she is Susan S. Clements.
From “North Carolina Marriage Records, 1741-1868”:
Bride: Susan S. Clements
Groom: Groves Meadows
Bond Date: 17 Jan 1855.
County: PERSON
Record #: 01 103
Bondsman: Granville Andre (prob. a typo for Andrews??)
Witness: Charles Mason, C (for “Clerk of the court”
Bond # : 000108305
Marriage Date : 17 Jan 1855
Performed by : George Oakley, Justice of the Peace.
Per that same source, Groves Meadows was also a Justice of the Peace — I found marriage records listing him as the Justice of the Peace dated 1859, ’60, ’61, ’64, ’65, ’66 and 1867.
1850 Person Co., NC Census p.470B, 24 Sept; at 819, 822:
Daniel Meadows, 76, m, __, Farmer, $1436, NC
Sarah ” , 62, f, ___, NC
GROVES ” , 23, m, __, _____ , $300, NC.
……..I’d say the ages for Daniel and Sarah are probably incorrect but nothing to go on except their marriage record.
Same marriage record source as above:
Bride: Sally Chambers (wondering if she’s one of mine)
Groom: Daniel Meadows
Bond Date: 8 Sep 1787
County: ROWAN
Record #: 02 298
Bondsman: James Chambers
Witness: Margt Osborn
Bond # 00127642
(“Sally” used to be the nickname for Sarah.)
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1860 Person Co., NC Census, Mt. Tirzah P.O.
P.949, 25 July,
at 480, 477:
Groves Meadows, 32, m, __, Farmer, $2000, $5000, NC
Susan ” , 22, f, ___, NC
Mary F. ” , 4, f, NC
Sarah E. ” , 1, f, NC
at 482, 479:
Daniel Meadows, 82, m, farmer, $1400, $8046, NC
Sarah ” , 72, f, NC
Noah ” , 45, m, NC
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Susan’s mother was Nancy, b. abt. 1805 NC, per the 1880 census where she’s identified as Groves Meadows’ Mother-in-law, but she was a BUMPASS by then. Found Nancy as a widowed Bumpass in 1860 Mt.Tirzah P.O. and some of her kids but haven’t identified her original maiden name in other census or marriage records yet, but the Clements and Bumpass people did marry Day and several other names you mentioned. I’ll let you know.
Bill
Bill, the grandfathers (or grandmothers 😉 surely led me to this site and to you. Thank you isn’t enough for all your time and hard work…… I’ll pay you back in some way, as I will be watching for that opportunity. Thank you, my friend.
Ooops. There’s one more early marriage that may be Daniel and Sarah “Sally”.
Daniel Meadows + Sally Tindall, on 8 Nov 1805 Granville Co., NC.
(next door to you there in Person Co.)
and there’s an even possibility it’s either one. This one based on the marriage date, compared to their ages on the census. The first one I gave you because this bunch of Meadows named several of their daughters “Rowan”, spelled “Roan” on one census record. I think I pulled the trigger too soon on the Rowan Co marriage – still think 1787 is a little too early, even in those days, but they did have to grow up quick then.
Bill
My gut feeling is the Sally Tindell marriage. We have Tindells living 3 miles away…… right near edge of Meadows land…. they have been there at least 100 years. All the Chambers ( and there is a mess of them) start 10 miles up the road and spread north from there. Tindells here now have ndn features.
According to mom’s memory, Groves had 4 children who inherited and split his farm when he passed. Ran Meadows(married Ida Cozart), Sula Newton, Ella Hopgood, Nan Bowling. They each got 1/4 of land, with Ran getting the homeplace. Sula and James Thomas Newton built a 2 room cabin on their part and my family still holds this land. Currently there are 14 houses spread out over our 500 acres ….all occupied by family or our tenants ( 6 houses rental). Aunt Ella had moved to Farmville NC with her Hopgood husband and sold her share to a “black” family…… Norman and Vester Daye….. who sold some to the Bass family. “Uncle” Norman was white in appearance (not unusual with Jim Crow’s idiotic “one drop” rule) but “Aunt” Vester was “high yeller” They farmed with my family and their grandson, Aaron, was my best friend as a child. I have written a story about Aaron and me…… maybe I’ll dig it out and post on family stories forum.
btw……. James Thomas Newton was also a lawyer or magistrate. I have some of his law books (NC statutes c1900) Moriah also had its own post office by 1913… Dewitt Monroe Cash was the postmaster and storekeeper.
As Mom and her sister remember stuff, I’ll post it. Actually, I can remember quite a bit of what I’ve been told. (I’m 52 yrs old) so I have actual knowledge of the way it was 45 yrs ago.
NOTE TO ALL…… if anyone wants to get in contact with local descendants of any surnames in this area, I’ll be glad to contact these families and make the intros.
I think it’s Tindall too. On the 1830 census, Daniel Meadows is 50 to 59, and his wife is 40 to 49, making her born abt 1780s. Her age is consistent on the 1850 and 1860 census as born abt 1788, so an 1805 marriage date seems more likely than 1787 🙂
Even so, the earlier marriage shouldn’t be tossed, might be the father of the younger guy.
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Clement Marriages:
Person County:
Samuel Clement + Sarah Vanhook, 26 Apr 1825,
……..bond: Jesse Bumpass. Wit: Wm McKissack.
Martha Clements + John Cothran, 24 Aug 1843,
……..bond: Wm. T. Noell.
Samuel H. Clement + Adeline Kenady, 9 Oct 1850,
……..bond: Nelson Bumpass.
Mary Clements + John H. Cotheran, 5 Feb 1851,
……..bond: Richard Cothran.
Cornelia Clements + Richard Cothran, 22 Nov 1851,
……..bond: John H. Cothran.
Sally Ann Clements + Merida F. Nichols, 17 Nov 1852,
……..bond: Hezekiah Terry / Richard Holeman.
Harriet Clements + Thomas M. Hudgins, 2 Nov 1853.
William A. Clement + Nancy Wood, 27 Feb 1856,
……..bond: Daniel Palmer/ Orren J. Kenndy.
Frances Clement + John Day, 24 Dec 1867.
Some marriages of interest:
Granville County:
Elizabeth Clements + Grandison Philpot, 25 Jan 1825.
Orange County:
Thomas Clements + Mary COLLINS, 8 Apr 1787,
…….bond: William Chisenh & Richard Clements.
William Clements + Mary Jane Hall, 24 Aug 1848,
…….bond: Duncan C. Glenn.
George G. Clement + Martha Latta, 13 Feb 1850,
…….bond: E. W. Woods.
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In Person Co., there are marriages
Meadows married: Bowlin, Glenn (2), Crawley, Dameron, Hobgood, Howard, Jeffreys, Lyon,
Bumpass married: Cash, Allen, Anderson, Glenn, Day (3), Cozort, Glenn, Clayton, Chanler, Philpott.
The bondsmen cross family lines many times, i.e. James Meadows was the bondsman for Amanda Philpott marr’d Henry Bumpass, 6 Apr 1867, both “colored”, Woodson Lyon – J.P.
And D.C.Cozart was bondsman for Catharine Bowlin marr’d Lazarus Meadows and Groves Meadows was the J.P., 24 Mar 1867.
Bill, all those families are still my neighbors. (Dameron should be Cameron) I’m stunned by the implications. Am I correct in assuming this ndn grouping in southern Person is not commonly known? I have found no references to any but the group in the northern part of county (High Plains/ Olive Hill)
btw…….. the district of Granville co in northwest corner and Durham co in northeast corner should show some of the same surnames…….. more Camerons in Durham co, for example.
I talked to some old folks and intend to talk to some more. There are some things I’m not ready to post……. perhaps some things I could discuss by e-mail…… there are reasons it has never been made public……. most of them probably don’t matter in 2003 but I need to consult some more elders first.
peace
Ken
there are reasons it has never been made public……. most of them probably don’t matter in 2003 but I need to consult some more elders first.
Talked to Mrs Hayes today. As a retired librarian, she is quite interested in pursuing the geneology of the area. We had a delightful talk and will talk more at a later date….. I told her I would bring her copies of all I find. Her opinion on how much to share is that times have changed but the oldtimers are still scared….. we have been hidden in the open for over 300 yrs. We are the people who were always here.
peace
Ken
In a talk with Evelyn Bass discussing surnames of old families in Moriah these are the names we came up with. Please note that nowadays there are separate white and black family lines which share these common names.
(In no particular order)
Bass, Hayes, Meadows, Bumpass, Day, Daye, Clements, Hobgood (Hopgood), Pettyford (Pettiford), Jeffries, Cameron, Newton, Cozzart, Bowlin (Bowling), Oakley, Clayton, Davis
We may have missed some ………. would be interesting to see a list of surnames for the area from earliest census……… even better would be a list of earliest settlers….
I’ve come across all those names and there are a few more that I’ll list when I finish rounding up more data.
Yes, it would be interesting to have a list of early settlers in that area but there are some records to wade thru:
Person Co was created in 1791 from Caswell.
Caswell in 1777 from Orange.
Orange in 1752 from Bladen, Granville & Johnson,
and the earliest BASS (for example) that I’ve found is John BASS who left a will probated in 1732 Bertie Precinct of Northhampton Co., NC, which is adjacent to Brunswick Co., Va.
For 1850, there is one BASS household in Person Co –
Cullin Bass, 60, m, m, NC
Cyntha, 40, f, m, NC
William, 18, m, m, NC
and there is William Bass, 17, m, b, NC, who is maybe the same person as the one in Cullin Bass’s household, working at
Alfred L. Moon, 47, m, w, NC
and his family, with
Margaret Day, 13, f, w, NC living with them.
Forgot to mention:
Buck Bass was in 1850 Granville Co, Fort Creek District:
Buck Bass, 48, m, m, shoemaker, NC
Ellen, 19, f, m, NC
Retter, 13, f, m, NC (prob. Rita?)
Author, 8, m, m, NC.
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The number of Bass households in the area by county, on the 1850 census (excluding young people “working out”:
Granville Co – 10
Alamance Co – 5
Orange Co – 3
Caswell Co – 2
Person Co – 1
Durham Co – 0
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Oldest BASS (& his family) found in the area in 1850:
Jason BASS, 96, m, m, Laborer, NC (b.abt 1754)
Sally, 80, f, m, NC (b.abt 1770)
Tamar, 44, f, m, NC
Sidney, 3, m, m, NC
Anne, 23, f, m, NC
Henry, 13, m, m, NC
Bannister, 7, m, m, NC
Polly, 3/12, f, m, NC
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Don’t have time to post it all at the moment, but I have at hand a wealth of info in the form of a 3 vol set on Person Co Heritage owned by my aunt. I am poring through 1000 pages of Person co family histories and finding much of interest including numerous old photos of area families. Nothing I have found contradicts any of the suppositions I discussed with you. I’ll be posting relevant info later.
So Granville does seem to be home to original Bass’s. Are there any other families that magically appear or increase in numbers after Removal? 1836-1850 may show a consolidation into southern Person of surrounding NAs and “mulattos” as word gets around that the area is “safe”
peace
Ken
I went to the Meadows message board and sampled some of the posts …….. In 1700s it appears that Meadows were spreading out from Va. into NC, Ga, Ala, Tn, Ky and points west. One point I find repeatedly from all these locations is interesting. Family traditions and legends of NA blood.
From the Meadows board….. a sampling
looking for an indian connection- the Meadows descendants were supposedly dark skinned hich cheek bones black hair- Mary Meadows is our connection below-
Notes on Hardy relations of some Meadows children
Elizabeth Jane Meadows married John B. Hardy b. between 1826 and 1836?
Milous Meadows,her brother, married Mary Ann Elizabeth Hardy b.1836
Mary Meadows b. 1833,her sister, married both Robert W.Hardy b.1829 and William A.L.Hardy b. 1827
Information Meadows listed way below-
I have some handwritten records that show a Ransome Meadows m. Sarah Stephens 02/04/1808 and had 7 children. The following is an excerpt from personal pages (spelling is as found on original):
Ransom Meadows — Born December 25, 1786. Died April 2, 1863.
Married Sarah Stephens February 4, 1808. Ransom Meadows was born in Coronade, Warren County, North Carolina. This is near Raleigh, N.C. He and his wife and several other relatives are buried in a large sepulchre or Mausoleum as we call them today. This is located on two acres of ground in Alexander City, Alabama. This was part of his large plantation and a provision was made in his will that if the land was ever divided and sold this two acres could not be included. This sepulchre is built of solid rock and was built by his slaves. At one time he owned more slaves than anyone in Coosa County. His plantation covered most of what is now known as Alexander City, Alabama.
From these same pages a note near Martha Meadows name says that they are buried in the sepulchre with Ransome and Sarah. I have searched through typed and handwritten notes from relatives past, and have found no references to Martha’s children (if any) I hope this helps.
From: Steve Meadows”
Also Individual: Ransom Meadows b. 15 Dec 1786 (This gentleman lists a Steven Meadows son, too)
And another post
I would like to see the picture of the Indian woman. I am a Meadows, and know ny g-grandfather married an Indian woman. I saw her picture when I was small, but I remember her well. I would like to see the picture. Thank you.
I have been through only the first 200 of 1200 posts on the Meadows board and continue to find many legends of ndn blood. I know it doesn’t PROVE anything but does make you go hummmm. In over 600 posts on Dalton board, not one reference to NA connection, yet on Meadows board it is pervasive.
From Meadows board
would like to see the picture of the Indian woman. I am a Meadows, and know ny g-grandfather married an Indian woman. I saw her picture when I was small, but I remember her well. I would like to see the picture. Thank you.
I am searching for relatives of Sarrah/Sarah Davis Meadows who had Native American blood. She was my grandmother’s sister. The more research I do, i find that we are of the Cherokee tribe. I believe
45. Meadows
Author: Kathryn Gibler Date: 19 Sep 1999
Board: Boards > Surnames > Meadows
I have very little to go on. I am trying to obtain my great grandmothers death cert to verify her parents names. I am told by her son’s daughter, my cousin. She was cherokee Indian. She was born
Author: Granny Date: 16 May 1999
Board: Boards > Surnames > Meadows
I am reachering the Lunsford, Cremeans, Meadows Families of West Virginia. Trying to find the link to our Native American Heritage. Any info would be very helpful, as I have hit a brick wall. Thanks
58. indian heritage
Author: Robert Meadows Date: 26 Nov 1999
Board: Boards > Surnames > Meadows
it has been rumored in my family also of native american heritage, namely cherokee. it is uncanny that this rumor can be so rampid that there is no truth to it. can someone hold to this avenue of …
59. RE: Meadows and Indian
Author: Karen ortiz Date: 29 Dec 1999
Board: Boards > Surnames > Meadows
In my Meadows line there is also rumors of an Indian heritage somewhere. I was told it had to do with the Scott ancestry but I cannot find it yet.Although with a name like Meadows it just sounds …
63. Meadows
Author: Beth Lackey Date: 11 Nov 2000
Board: Boards > Surnames > Meadows
My great gradmother told me that either her grandma or greatgrandma was on the trail of tears. I could have swarn that she said Apache, but my family don’t believe me. I was very young then and …
79. Cherokee ancestry-we’re looking too!
Author: Norma Meadows Date: 21 Jun 1999
Board: Boards > Surnames > Meadows
My husband is also a WV native,and has always heard there was a full-blood Cherokee grandmother back several generations–we even have a picture that sure looks Indian, but we’re not sure who it …
80. Meadows
Author: Carole Phillips Date: 26 Aug 1999
Board: Boards > Surnames > Meadows
My sister just sent me a picture of Sarrah Davis Meadows’ sister, Mary. She is standing with long black brades to her waist. Very indian looking. I am searching for the Davis side of the family. Do …
82. Meadows
Author: N. Perkins Date: 26 Sep 1999
Board: Boards > Surnames > Meadows
My husband also WV native and GGfather was Henry Fleming Meadows. Believe Henry parents were John Meadows and Florence Balengee but no proof as yet. Had also heard about Indian blood in line. Have …
107. Meadows and Seminoles
Author: Ben Eble Date: 16 Mar 2000
Board: Boards > Surnames > Meadows
I have heard that my family is of part Seminole Indian ancestry, of which Osceaola was once chief. My family name on my grandfather’s side was Meadows. According to family oral tradition one of our …
108. Oceola, Ocieola, “Ocie” Meadows
Author: R. Torres Date: 18 Apr 2000
Board: Boards > Surnames > Meadows
She was my Great Grandmother. Not sure on the spelling of Ocie’s name. I don’t have much to go on but it was rumored that there was an Indian connection there. Not sure if “Ocie’s” name is a result …
142. Nora Meadows in WV 1880-1910
Author: Michael Dreyer Date: 6 Sep 1999
Board: Boards > Surnames > Meadows
Looking for any information about Nora Meadows in the Buffalo area of WV. Married a James Curtis and gave birth to a girl Mary B Curtis in May of 1902. Part Indian I believe. Any information would be …
147. Meadows/Tate
Author: Joyce Wright Date: 18 Sep 1999
Board: Boards > Surnames > Meadows
I just started researching this side of my family, and found that my GGgrandmother was Delia or Delilah Meadows m. to W.A. Tate b.1845. I received a picture of them, and she is Indian. Does anyone …
149. Pauline Meadows
Author: mildred Rader Date: 28 Dec 1999
Board: Boards > Surnames > Meadows
Pauline Meadows, born San Francisco, father, Frank Meadows, Mother, Pauline Hazard. Pauline married Olin William Livesey, Jan. 4, 19ll. Descendants are proud of their indian ancestry!! No knowledge …
153. Alonzo Virginia (Ward) Meadows
Author: Meadows Date: 28 Sep 1999
Board: Boards > Surnames > Meadows
I am searching for information about this family that were Native Indian from Mason County, WV. They are my Great great grandparents. They had 11 children, among them, my Great grandmother Iva Mae
264. Meadows and Seminoles
Author: Ben Eble Date: 16 Mar 2000
Board: Boards > Surnames > Meadows
I also am looking for information about indian ancestry which may have come through the Meadows line. My great grandmother’s name was Lorene Meadows. I have heard that after the Civil War one of my …
267. Benjamin Howard Meadows of WV.
Author: Catherine E.(Meadows) Disantis Date: 23 Feb 2000
Board: Boards > Surnames > Meadows
I’m looking for information about my grandfather’s (Benjamin, born around 1901) parents. I was told by my father,(Ben jr.)that my great grandfather was a native american of the Cherokee nation by the …
268. Meadows – indian
Author: Diana Lewellen Date: 15 Mar 2000
Board: Boards > Surnames > Meadows
You might try looking at the Dequasie line. Some where in the Dequasie line are indians and they are married into the Meadows line. Good luck.
269. Re: Meadows – indian
Author: Amber Dalakas Date: 23 Jun 2001
Board: Boards > Surnames > Meadows
I would be interested in where Indians have married into the DeQuasie family. This is something that I have never heard before.
270. Meadows and Seminole Indians
Author: Ben Eble Date: 16 Mar 2000
Board: Boards > Surnames > Meadows
I placed a message about the subject of Seminoles and Meadows on 3/16/00. Maybe it will be of help. I also am searching for information.
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