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Tom,
Thanks for your post. I see from your posts that you are interested in material culture and history etc. This is great site and I have learned a great deal. Is hard to put it all together somtimes. I am wondering if anybody has worked on any sort of a GIS project for the migration, and subsequent movement patterns of the people out of their original occupation area. Would be interesting, as you could assign all the known, substantiated surnames, dates, etc, as attributes, and easily map it all. Have you ever thought about it?
I have lived most of my life here on the West branch of the Susquehanna. It has a very rich history of the first people. As you are well aware there was much movement of many tribes from the time of contact through this area.
I have long been interested in the material culture of the inhabitants of this area.
I am currently working on a Bachelors degree in Ecology, and am especially interested in traditional ecological knowledge (TEK). The uses of various plants for food, medicine etc, and other primitive skills.
Have just found a copy of Arther Parkers, “Parker on the Iroquois” Great book detailing the varieties of corn, and other foods. Is one of the best I have come across so far, and the great thing about it, Parker was part Seneca.
nice to hear from you!
Take care, Bill
Bill C.
Does the name Strawcutter come up anywhere in your file?
I found that Hiram Young was married to a Rebecca Strawcutter b. Nov. 7, 1839. Her father was John Henry Strawcutter. Born about 1818.
Thanks,
Bill L.
Not in any file but they are on the census……
1850:
Centre Co., Pa census; Spring Twp, 31 August; pg.209B, Visit 248
John H. STRAWCUTTER, 32, m, – , farmer, $0, Pa
Margaret…………………, 29, f, – , Pa.
REBECCA…………………, 11, f, – , Pa.
Mary E. ………………….., 9, f, – , Pa.
Daniel W. ……………….., 7, m, – , Pa.
Andrew J. ……………….., 5, m, – , Pa.
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Clinton County is the next county north of Centre, sitting astride the West Branch of the Susquehanna River, and it was created from Centre County in 1839…. there’s a Strawcutter family there too…..
1850:
Clinton Co., Pa census; Logan Twp, 20 Nov; pg.126B, Visit 36:
Geo. STRAWCUTTER, 55, m, – , laborer, $0, Pa.
Mary ………………….., 56, f, – , Pa.
Elizabeth ……………., 30, f, – , Pa.
Julia ……………………, 26, f, – , Pa.
Salvinia SARVEY, 9, f, – , Pa “Since Dead” (died that year)
John STRAWCUTTER, 20, m, – , Pa.
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The only other obvious Strawcutter’s are in Butler Co., Ohio and were born in Germany.
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I don’t know off-hand where Rebecca’s people went but they’re not in the area later, except for Margaret and her son Dan W. Strawcutter living in 1880 Clinton Co., Pa., adding one more piece of circumstancial evidence that Geo. and John H. may be related.
Bill
Bill C.
Wow, that was quick!
I spent all afternoon in library yesterday, and did not find half that much.
I am still most curious about this Elizabeth Jones. She was Christians Emigh’s first (?) wife, Elsie Emigh’s mother. She was born in Tyrone, Pa abt. 1803. I believe it was Huntingdon county before 1846; Blair county thereafter.
Since Jones seems like a common name from south of here for Saponi/Tutelo, maybe there is a connection (maybe not).
I hate to ask, but do you find any of the Jone’s landing in Huntingdon county (late 1700’s-early 1800’s) with any Saponi/Tutelo connections?
About two posts above I had asked Tom, if there was any thought or discussion of putting all the information that this site has, into a GIS project (ARCVIEW). If your already familiar with it forgive me. You can put all these names, dates, locations etc. into database, and then would be able to visualize whats going on with maps, by query. Seems like this would be a good idea. There is alot of valuble information here. Just a thought.
Thank’s again for the help!
Bill
Teleman,
FYI, many of my folks are from Huntington. There are many Jones who are on the Rev War muster list with my ggggrandfather, William Sinkey, in fact, one appears to have been in the same company of Rangers – http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/pa/bedford/military/militia-1.txt
Techteach
Your JONES question would be very difficult to answer.
On the one hand, we would need a documented move of a family from the south to Penn., and a “Jones” surname makes it even more difficult to determine if we were looking at the same family, or not, and I do not have any candidates in mind.
Secondly, we would need enough individual names of that family’s members to prove by comparison that it was the same family group – i.e., 1850 or later, census-wise, which wouldn’t answer your Jones question originating prior to that time.
Not that a solution is impossible, it just has very restricted parameters.
Reason for these conditions in my opinion?
The first is easy – the “Jones” surname itself is too widespread.
The second is that numerous families declared Black or Mulatto in the South, predominating categories in this time period, were listed as White when they moved into the north & Penn. specifically.
Tough nuts to crack without a ton of digging.
I think your idea of a database like you’ve painted ARCVIEW would be great. I don’t know if any members have the background & the time to accomplish that. Personally speaking, thinking about the specific problem we’re attempting to solve, the “search” function on this site and a fair map would probably get most people by to establish connectedness but we should always be open to new ideas. And of course, a small feasibility question of the site’s server capabilities would have to be looked at before any plan could be lined out. Would you care to expand on your idea?
Thanks, Cindy,
Awh yes, Bill, then there are those who may have been there before someone thought to write ’em down.
Cindy,
Thank you for input. I see a William Jones that keeps popping up in this area. Have not found a connection to Elizabeth. I guess I’ll be doing some traveling to Huntingdon county over winter break.
If you do not already know of it, here is a link to Pennsylvania Historical Commission Museum digital archives. Is very useful.
http://www.digitalarchives.state.pa.us/archive.asp?view=ArchiveIndexes&ArchiveID=13
Also, I mentioned a great book earlier, by George Donehoo, called “Indian place names and villages in Pennsylvania”
Has much information, and is well referenced.
Thank You,
Bill L.
Bill L.
I will wave to you. We are going to that area over break but not for genealogy, to pick up a classic Volkswagen pickup.
Thanks for the link. I have used that frequently. You can find clues in the information on the cards. For example, a Sinkey and a McCarty both have a card that requests an excuse for failing to show up for muster that reads, “On the frontier. Must move family. Must break up settlement entirely.” It also reads on both “”Scout for 4 weeks in the Kosquillas (I am misspelling this.) Valley.” These are clues that imply that these two families have to be related to my William Sinkey and his wife, Mary McCarty.
Should you find anything about these two families, pass it my way, would you? Also Andrew Huston (There are several.)
Cindy
Bill C.
Thank you for making two very good point’s. I suppose it is best to keep in mind the big picture. It is a good thing to remember when you start down this road.
As for GIS, My attempts to explain it here would be very feeble at best. There are many websites that would explain it better. You are right about cost’s, etc. Not many people are equipped with ARCVIEW, as it is not cheap. However, it is being incorporated into many thing’s. Some sites now supply viewer’s etc. for certain applications. I am aquainted with foresty, soils, and ecology applications. While it is not prevelant in genealogy (Yet!), I did find a site that allows you to enter a surname, and will bring up a map, showing distribution of that surname. It is not very detailed, but I foresee the time when you will be able to zoom into, say a county or township, and accomplish the same thing.
By querying the program, you would be able bring up attributes for an individual, such as DOB, marriage, children, etc. I would not be surprised if it is not in the works as I speak. This would be very useful application. I think you get the picture. Here is one example:
http://www.gens-us.net/map/genera.html
Another which illustrates even better what I am talking about:
http://www.personal.psu.edu/users/l/x/lxb918/Lesson7_8_9_10.html
Scroll down to genealogy.
Anyway, hope that helped. thanks again for your thoughtful reply.
Take care,
Bill L.
Cindy,
I will be sure sure to! Your a teacher eh? I see that you are from Wisconsin. Passed thru there this summer. Stayed for night at Wisconsin Dell’s. We were doing Forest Inventory in North Dakota for three weeks this summer. Not a lot of tree’s in N.D, but sure was beautiful in all the states we passed through. Would have loved to spent more time in Wisconsin. Maybe next summer. Have a safe, and fun break. I’ll be sure to keep an eye out for your Huston.
Take care,
Bill L.
Bill L.
Thanks. I live just above Chicago and work in Chicago. Not a lot of trees there either. However, we live amid trees and cornfields. I get greeted by hoot owls and screech owls when I get home at midnight. Soon will be development, though, with commuters to Chicago, like me.
I am thinking about going to South Dakota this summer, to help on the Lake Travers Reservation if I can fit it in.
Cindy
Teleman,
There is an EMIGH family in 1850 Centre Co Pa and several households of them in Cambria Co., also once a part of Huntingdon Co., and there’s an Alice Emigh in Cambria Co. but she’s born abt. 1793 Pa. and is the wife of Frederick Emigh, b.abt. 1788 Pa. Too old for the Alice you’re looking for but it could be a slight trail altho Alice is a fairly common name. No Elizabeth Jones Emigh of a near enough age to make any sense.
I’ve spent a lot of time looking thru the NY people (of many spelling variations) without turning up anything. Let me know if I can help further with anything you turn up on your winter break trip.
Bill
P.S….
Only found one William Jones in 1850 Centre Co., b.abt. 1779 Pa, and wife (?) Mary, b.abt. 1784 Pa. A 9 yr old Ann lived with them.
Bill,
It’s been awhile since I have posted here. I finally did find some “Documentation” pertaining to my Great Grandmother Annie (Young) Laubscher.
In the 1880 Federal census, Annie’s father Hiram is listed as Hiram Yong which is further corrupted to “Long” as the “Y” looks like an “L” in the original document. The family members are all listed under race as Mulatto. As of yet this is all I have really found, which is good enough for me for the time being.
Although… I am curious as to why Hiram, his second wife Rebecca, and all their children would be listed as Mulatto, when only Harvey S. (19 yrs old, and Annies brother) would be the only child from Hiram’s previous marriage to Elsie Emigh who would be in my opinion, Mulatto. Did he (Harvey) possibly answer the door during census, and the enumerator just assumed the whole family was Mulatto?
Rebecca was previously married to a Cartwright from Centre County.
I have read that “Mulatto” was a catch all term for NDN’s and Black’s during this time period. Could you add any information on that?
Tho I haven’t posted here for well over a year, I still enjoy reading the other post’s on the site, and it looks like you are still busier than ever.
A Big Hello to Tom and Techteach also.
Bill
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