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Hi my name is Jack Anderson. Does anyone have any info on the following surnames Anderson (Ameilia County , VA) and Richardson (Prince Edward County VA) They always said they were Cherokee. But I remember stories about the Blackfeet. After seeing the Blackfoot surnames. I’m covinced that my people are Blackfoot. I have several stories about both families.
My great grandfather was John Richardson. he was born approx.
1853-1855. The only story we have about where he came from was that
his mother, Jenny, was Native(Cherokee??) and didnt speak english.
She was taken captive and sold as a slave. He had 3 different wives
and a lot of children. The only ones that I remember were Minnie (my
grandma) Richard and Ellen. They all were from Farmville Va. They
were all born in the 1880’s.
The Andersons were all from Ameilia county. My Great Grandfather
was Peter Anderson. His wife was Julia. My Grandfather was Harvey.
His brother’s were Tony and Harland. Those are the only ones I know.
but there were a lot more. They are all cousins to people named
Brown, Blankenship, Scruggs, Delaney and Page. My granfater also told
me that when he was a little boy he had to lead his blind grandma
around and that she also would not speak english. I hear that there are a lot of his relatives in Brooklyn and there names are Anderson. I remeber the old ones talking about going to visit their cousins the Blackfeet. My father used Blackfoot and Cherokee interchangably when discribing his heritage.
Welcome to the Forum, Jack,
I found them on the 1880 and 1900 census. Here are some additional names and approximate dates for you. Bear in mind that “census ages” vary by several years, depending upon the time of year the census was taken, knowledge of a person’s age being given by another family member and upon women giving their “correct” ages 🙂 The census formats also varied by census year.
(My shorthand version of the “Census Legend”:
All persons are listed as born in Virginia, as were both parents.
Abbreviations: “m27” means they were married for 27 yrs.
“9/7” means the woman has had 9 children and 7 are still living.
Recorded month & year are when they said they were born.)
ANDERSONs:
1900 Amelia Co., Va., Census – ED 5 Lehigh District, 15 June;
p.11A,
at 208, 214 (Dwelling #, Family #):
Anderson, Peter; farmer; (born) Jan 1855, 45 (yrs old), m27.
” , Julia; wife, Mar 1855, 46, m27, 9/7.
” , Toney; son, Sept 1884, 15, farm laborer.
” , HARVEY; son, Jun 1886, 13.****
” , Jinettie; dau, Jul 1889, 10.
” , Florida; dau, Sept 1891, 8.
” , Soloman; son, Nov 1894, 5.
Next door, and possibly an older brother or uncle of Peter:
Anderson, William; farmer, Mar 1840, 60, m38.
” , Amanda; wife, Oct 1840, 59, m38, 12/8.
” , Ophelia; dau, Mar 1883, 17.
” , Arthur; son, Apr 1887, 13.
Daleny, Belle; dau, Oct 1881, 18, widowed, 0/0.
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1880 Amelia Co., Va., Census; ED 5 Lehigh Magisterial District, p.93B, at 95, 101:
Anderson, Peter; Laborer, 31.
” , Julia; 23, wife.
” , Nancy; 4, dau.
” , Cora; 2, dau.
I’ll look for them at earlier dates, tomorrow.
A “Brown, Lew” lived next door.
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RICHARDSONs:
(Your John Richardson’s father was also named John.)
1900 Prince Edward Co., Va., Census
at 64, 64:
Richardson, John M.; farmer (owns); Dec 1853, 46; m27
” , MARY E.; dau, May 1877, 23. (compare to 1880.)
” , JOHN N.; son, Feb 1881, 19. ****
” , Lilly D.; dau, Nov 1883, 16.
” , Mandy F.(?); dau, Dec 1886, 13.
” , Grace V.; dau, Apr 1890, 10.
” , Mumford Y.; son, Dec 1893, 6.
” , Harper W.; son, Jul 1896, 3.
” , Ada; wife, Jan 1879, 21, m1.
” , baby; son Apr 1900, 1 month old.
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1880 Prince Edward Co., Va., Census; ED 189 Farmville Magisterial District; 16 June; p. 281B,
at 507, 606:
Richardson, John M.; 27, farmer.
” , JENNIE; 22, wife.****
” , Margaret; 7, dau.
” , Hattie; 5, dau.
” , MARY E.; 2, dau. (compare to 1900.)
” , Canary; 1, dau.
Living next door was “Brown, Gib.”
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I didn’t find John M. Richardson earlier than 1880, yet.
Bill.
Jack,
There doesn’t appear to be additional children for Peter and Julia Anderson after the 1900 census list posted above (per a check of the 1910 & 1920 census).
Harvey & Minnie R. Anderson’s children listed on the 1920 census, are:
Ruth, b.abt. 1910.
Mary, b.abt. 1912.
John, b.abt. 1914.
Minnie, b.abt. 1917.
Joseph, b.abt. 1918.
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Additional children for John M. and Ada (also given as “Ardie”) Richardson after 1900 list above (per 1910 & 1920 census):
Wat Mc., b.Apr 1900 (the “baby, son” on the 1900 census. He’s also listed as “Wort” on the 1910 census.)
Jennie V., b.abt. 1902.
Florence A., b.abt. 1905.
Ellen H., b.abt. 1909.
Richard D., b.abt. 1912.
Paul L. D., b.abt. 1915.
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John M. Richardson’s middle name was “Mumford”, per the 1910 Prince Edward Co Census. He is not on the 1920 census and his wife Ardie is listed as “widowed”. Ardie had a total of 7 children with one having died before 1910.
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Something to keep in mind while searching for John M. Richardson’s parents……
There is a chance (speculation on my part), that John M. may have been born about 1844, about 10 yrs earlier than recorded on later census records, and was the son of a James Richardson, b.abt. 1815 Va, and Sophia, b.abt.1830 Va.
That John M.’s paternal grandmother was named Crinnie, b.abt.1793 Va.
That John M.’s siblings were:
William H., b.abt. 1845.
Nancy C., b.abt. 1848.
James L., b.abt. 1850.
Fanney, b.abt. 1853.
LAWSON, b.abt. 1854. (a known Saponi surname.)
Branch, b.abt. 1857.
Their next door neighbor was Mrs. E. C. BURTON and living with her were James R. & Martha BLANKENSHIP.
Just a thought.
My ex-husband also has an ancestor who was an Indian girl reportedly kidnapped into slavery near there. Is Farmville in Mecklenburg county? She was in Brunswick county.
This Farmville is up in Prince Edward Co.
After the importation of slaves was banned, I imagine a lot of “new stock” came to market “any which way they could bring ’em”.
That’s about the time that colonial governments imposed heavier penalties for infractions committed by indentured white “servants”, often resulting in their being “indentured”, but actually enslaved, for life.
Some of that kind of thing was documented in court cases abstracted in “Annals of Southwest Virginia”. I’m reading a couple more books on the culture and societal woes of colonial Virginia which note court cases that would undoubtedly shock a lot of people today. Laws never beat Love & Lust!
My impression is that people today seem to think that people in colonial times were so straight-laced. ‘Twernt so. 🙂 It appears to have been pretty bawdy – more like that old movie “The Life and Loves of Tom Jones” (I think that’s what it was called) – rather than “Shenandoah” or “Gone With The Wind”.
Yes, I’ve heard a lot about that, too. Single mothers of color, be they black, “mullato” or Indian had a terrible time having their children kidnapped and sold into slavery.
Even white people in the north had anxiety about this. It was sort of like the fear of alien abduction these days. Northern whites had nightmares of being kidnapped by slavers and sold into slavery in the south. Since there were white-looking slaves in the south, it seemed a possibility. Abolitionists had white-looking freed slaves as ‘poster children’ to help build this identification and fear.
Yes. So it was. I’ve often wondered if a “warning” by my Grandmother who raised us, was not a “cultural reflection” of this earlier fact we’re discussing ……..
“Look-out you’re not kidnapped by the Gypsies!”
Of course, there were no Gypsies. Only ocassional migratory farm hands with their families moving seasonally thru the area (S.E.Ind.), who hardly looked like Gypsies.
These are definitely my family. I see my father’s name (John Anderson) as well as his siblings. Also Grandfather Harvey and his brother Toney . I knew both of them. On the Richardson Family. I see My GreatGrandma (Ardie) I use to stay with her when I was a kid in the late 50’s and early 60’s. All of her Children who I knew. I dont see my Grand mother. I know that My greatgrandfather (John Richardson) was married 3 times.
My next Question … Is there any Saponi connection? How are the Andersons and Richardsons listed on the census. Native? Colored? Mixed? White? off-White?
Jack,
Sorry for the delay.
Your lines aren’t back far enough to determine if they might be Saponi. I do see BROWN & POWELL;
DELANEY & HUGHES; FARLEY & ANDERSON; and LAWSON & RICHARDSON associations in your lines. Some of these surnames are associated with some Forum members who do have family identifications as Blackfoot or Saponi.
(John M. Richardson’s sons Mumford & Harper carry names that are also surnames and any clues are worthwhile to check out.)
It can be frustrating not to find any clear, precise answers.
Anderson and Richardson (separately), do seem to ring a bell but I can’t place it. You might want to do a “Search” of this forum: Above the “message”, is a small “button” labeled “Search”. If you click on that and use each of these two surnames as the names to be searched-on, you might pull-up some past reference on these surnames. However, I’ve been tracking Indian I.D.’s lines for some time and the “bell” may be from an earlier time.
Generally, the Andersons and Richardsons were listed Mu, B or “C”, depending on the time period. The subjective nature of racial identifications where Native people were concerned, makes any racial classification in the 1870 to 1920 period nearly worthless.
In 1920 Pr. Edward, Ardie Richardson and her children are Mulatto.
In 1910 Pr. Edw., Mumford and his family are all Mu.
In 1900 Pr. Edw., John M., Ada and children are B.
In 1880 Pr. Edward, John M. Richardson is Mu; Jennie is B; the children are Mu.
I don’t have them yet any earlier.
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In 1920 Amelia, Harvey & Minnie Anderson and their children are C = colored.
Peter & Julia Anderson and children and grandchildren are Mu, except Lucy E. who is is B.
In 1900 Amelia, Peter, Julie & family are B., as is William, Amanda & their children and dau Belle Dalaney.
In 1880 Amelia, Peter Anderson & children are Mu.
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In 1880 Amelia Co., living 8 houses away from Peter & Julia Anderson is Alfred Anderson, 73, Mu, Farmer, b. Va., & children.
I think Alfred is a close relative of Peter Anderson.
In 1860, Alfred & family are Mu and he owns real estate of $5400 and personal property of $18,404; and Maria Anderson, 57, Mu, lives with them.
In 1850, Alfred & family are Mu, Maria “Wilson”, 50, Mu, lives with them along with 3 Wilson children. Looks like Maria Wilson is the same person as Maria Anderson of 1860 and 2 of the Wilson children (of 1850) are shown as Andersons in 1860. Also, William Anderson of 1850 was also Mu, listed on the “regular” census schedule.
Bill
Originally posted by Bill Childs
Jack,
Sorry for the delay.
Your lines aren’t back far enough to determine if they might be Saponi. I do see BROWN & POWELL;
DELANEY & HUGHES; FARLEY & ANDERSON; and LAWSON & RICHARDSON associations in your lines. Some of these surnames are associated with some Forum members who do have family identifications as Blackfoot or Saponi.
(John M. Richardson’s sons Mumford & Harper carry names that are also surnames and any clues are worthwhile to check out.)
It can be frustrating not to find any clear, precise answers.” ]
Bill,
Have you seen anything else on the Farley folks over the years?
I ask because there was a family in Ameilia Co. early ca. 1738, then a group in the New River area of Montgomery & Giles, some of whom moved up to the Longan/Mingo Co. area. Just wondering…
Brenda
Brenda,
Do you have a more recent ‘starting-point name’ from which I can build, that leads to a specific FARLEY in which you’re interested?
I’m not trying to be ‘cute’ here, I just need to ‘vet’ the known into the older ‘new’ information for my own sake in order to be sure I’m on firm ground; you know how it is – more information is always better!
Bill
Sorry, Bill. Here’s a start on the family I am curious about that was married into many of the Logan County families. I noticed a PINSON connection when I copied this even. A note of caution, this selection is the traditional account collected by a newspaper man about 80 years after the first settlers came to Logan, so errors have been found. In general, he seems to have gotten the jist, though.
From HISTORY OF LOGAN COUNTY, WEST VIRGINIA – by Henry Clay Ragland
“Some time in the next year or two Captain Henry Farley, of Montgomery County, who had served with distinction in the War of the Revolution, and who has been heretofore mentioned as the leader of the whites in the pursuit of the Indians in 1792; with Garland Conley, who had married his eldest daughter, Bettie, settled at the mouth of Peach Creek. He brought with him three stalwart sons and five marriageable daughters, and as might have been expected, the big house at the mouth of Peach Creek, and it was said to have been the largest house in the country, was always full.
Of what tales that never grow old were told, we have no record, and the man in the moon has never divulged the vows which he witnessed, yet we know that enough was said to divide the happiness of Captain Farley’s home among five families. …..
…Another one of the blooming daughters of Capt. Farley, (Chloe), intermarried with John Dingess, who then settled near his father-in-law, at the mouth of Peach Creek. His children were William, who married a daughter of Josiah Stollings; Julius, who married a daughter of Ben Smith; Harvey, who married a daughter of Joseph Adams; Henderson, who married a daughter of Joseph Adams; John and Peter, both of whom married daughters of Washington Adams; Sallie, who married James Butcher; Peggy, who married John Gore; and Nancy, who married William Chapman, all of whom are dead except Sallie and Henderson. All of them except David had a large off-spring.
The daughters of Captain Henry Farley were Judith, who married Thomas Thompson, and, who, after the death of Thompson, married Robert Hensley; Matilda, who married Carter T. Clark; and Mary, who first married Stephen Hensley, and afterwards married Pryyhus McGinnis. Of his three sons, John and Thomas, both married Miss Pinsons of Kentucky, and William was married four times, first marrying Bettie Phillips, second Phoebe Muncy, third Polly Williams, and fourth, Jane Jones. All of them left large families, and with the Dingesses constituted one of the largest family connections in Logan County, and more will be said of them hereafter. …”
“…William Farley, a brother of Capt. Henry Farley, of Peach Creek, settled near the mouth of Buffalo. He married a Miss Thompson of Albemarle County, Va., and was the father of four sons and one daughter. His sons were William – known as “Punch Bill” – who married a Miss Allen, of Boone; Thompson, who married a Miss Chapman; Nimrod (Father of the late Senator Farley, of California), married a Miss Slater, and Henry, who married a Miss Starr. Henry was quite a prominent citizen, and represented the county in the Virginia Legislature. …”
http://www.angelfire.com/wv/snr/tsloghist.html
By the way, you suggested I read “Monacans and Miners”. I got my copy today and it looks really good. Wyoming County was once part of Logan County, VA.
Brenda
Here are apparently the earliest Farleys in Logan County:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~wvlogan/1824taxl.htm
Name, No. whites over 16, No. Blacks over 12. No. Blacks over 16, No. horses, mares & colts.
Farly, Thompson 1- 0 – 0 – 1
Farley, William Sr 1 -0 – 0 -1
Farley, Henry Jr 1- 0 – 0 – 1
Farley, William Jr 1- 0 – 0 – 1
Farley, Henry Sr 1- 0 – 1 – 0
Farley, John 1 -0 – 0 – 0
Farley, Thomas 1 -0 – 0 – 0
Farley, Nimrod 1 -0 – 0 – 1
Farley, William P 1 -0 – 0 – 0
Farley, George 2 -0 – 0 – 0
Farley, Joseph 1 – 0 – 0 – 0
“(from) Lawsons, Logan Co, Va; August the 15th 1824 (to) Augitors office, Richmond, Va Wt. 2 1/2oz”
-From 1823 Logan County, VA Tax list transcribed by Vicie “Babe” Waskey Fowler in 1975
Logan County formed in 1824 from parent counties of Cabell, Kanawha, Giles, & Tazewell
[My interest is to establish a migration route for the major families coming into Logan County, VA in the early days of the county.] Are these Farleys from the New River area? Did they have ancestors in Amelia and other southside areas?] Would be ever so nice to know when we are talking about the same families, just a different time and place —- or not. Thanks, Bill. Perhaps someday we will find that little puzzle piece that will help the picture come all together.
Brenda
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