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Seeker,
Was Teal your ggggrandma Teal’s maiden name? What were the names in that line? Parks?
Techteach
Techtech,
Sorry it took me so long to reply….Ive been moving and very busy.
Teal was my gggrandmas fathers name. Her mom came from the Parks and Lance names, which one was her father or mothers maiden name Im not posetive but the clues I have came from earlier in this same post if you wish to look back through the begining.
Take care all:) I’ll try not to be a stranger.
No real hope of any paper trail to my name unknown supposed Blackfoot 2G gf who got together with my 2G gm Emma Maude last name unknown around Miami Co, IN about January 1880.
Oh well, nice to know there may have been an Eastern Blackfoot there. My ggm sure looked part Indian.
However, there are some fantastic advances being made in DNA analysis so maybe in 20 years they will be able to tell us some exact relationships.
lrayvick,
Tell us a bit more, maybe we can help a bit. You’d be very surprized at what a bunch of great minds can pull together. It isn’t always possible, but it isn’t always impossible either. Start a new thread with all the names, dates, towns, counties, states, etc. that you do have and let us see what we can find. Just recently my brother and I made a slight breakthrough on some of our people, it may turn out to be a much bigger breakthrough than slight and it is all because of the BLM records. You never know what may actually have been documented, and it is amazing how by following the migration patterns of some families, you find these other folks that you’re looking for right in there with them. It’s worth a try! Lynella.
Originally posted by techteach
Rockhound, do you have the Blackfoot ID in that Teal line? They follow the same line of migration as my folks, Baltimore to Fairfield Ohio (with a stop in Shepherdstown, WVA). If so, do you know who?
techteach,
This is not my direct line of Teals, so I do not know if there is any NA at all.
Did all of that info I posted help anyone?
Hello all, In just getting back to this I would like to update on how things are going. Really I can only take what clues I have and sum them up. I am still hoping to get further into this if possible.
Of my surname searches of Beaver county through genweb, there is one township that has all of the surnames of Teal, Parks, and Lance. It is Hanover township on the 1815 tax list. I will also note, that the 1805 tax list still holds the same Peter Lance, and Thomas Parks (name spelled correctly). I chose to list the 1815 because it also has the Teal, who has the same surname as my Adam Teal born in 1805, as well as Parks for Margaret Parks born 1808.
Lance, peter, 100 acres, 2 horses, 1 cow
Parck, Thomas, 50 acres, 2 horses, 1 cow
Teal, Peter, 84 acres, 1 horse, 1 cow
It may be coincidence, but I also noted a few other surnames of the Saponi on these same tax lists. I may post them later…
The 1810 census shows David Parks (b.1787?) residence:
Home in 1810 as Shenango, Beaver, Pennsylvania
Free White Persons – Males – Under 10: 2
Free White Persons – Males – 16 thru 25: 1
Free White Persons – Females – Under 10: 1
Free White Persons – Females – 26 thru 44: 1
Number of Household Members Under 16: 3
Number of Household Members Over 25: 1
Number of Household Members: 5
Obviously by this time they are either hiding any identity of being native, as listing themselves as white, as did Adam and Margaret in later years, or its possible that Adam was the native line, or even the Lance side.
Why David is not on the tax lists of 1805 or 1815 is a mystery to me.
By 1820 he had moved to Ohio.
There are some on Ancestry claiming a David Parks was born to Charles Parks of N.C.
while he was stationed at Fort McIntosh built 1778 in Beaver PA during the Revolutionary War.
I have not verified if this is my David or another.
By 1830 Adam Teal and wife Margaret has moved to Richland Co. OH according to census, and stayed as the 1840 census confirms. By 1850 however had moved to Indiana.
On the 1850 census it is noted Adam was born in PA, but on the 1860 census it is listed as “unknown”.
Never do they list themselves as non white, regardless of their daughters oral tradition of claiming herself as full blooded “blackfoot” “indian” as passed down from her generation to her son, and his son my grandfather, to his son my father, to my generation..
In reading historical notes on the subject, I can see why it would have been easier for them to deny their heritage on legal records, considering the lack of rights and opportunity to native people of the time.
But as obvious is the pride of who they were, to orally pass on their identity down many generations of trusted family.
For this reason, I trust what was spoken, over what was written.
One article I found from a book places the Saponi in PA from 1740-1770s.
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/saponi-tribe.htm
Still so far to go after all these years.
I have a lot of catching up to do here, I see the forum has changed, and there are many interesting things to read.:)
Digging over to this root again, I thought Id post what some trees say about my “blackfoot” line.
It leaves me with more questions than answers as usual, but it does get closer to Saponi land.
Anyway, here’s what a few peoples “trees” are running with on ancestry…
It says David Parks was born in Fort McIntosh (Beaver PA) July 1847 to
Rev. War Soldier Charles Parks b.1759 Prince Edward VA, d.1833 Laurens SC.
and
Elizabeth C Bailey b.1762 Rowan NC. d.1832 Laurens SC
Charles parents
John Parks b.1725 VA d.1798 NC
and
Sara Ross b. 1727 VA d. 1777 NC
one tree lists Elizabeth Bailey father as John Bailey b. 1740 Rowan NC
Many years ago, Bill Childs dug up a genealogy that he thought connected to my Huston line. The family was Parks. He thought them mixed race.
Techteach
ooops:confused:
seeker;37578 wrote: It says David Parks was born in Fort McIntosh (Beaver PA) July 1847 to
I don’t know if I had a typo or that was what someone actually had but its worng either way.
More than likely my fault.
David Parks is born 1787. Beaver Co PA.
techteach
“Many years ago, Bill Childs dug up a genealogy that he thought connected to my Huston line. The family was Parks. He thought them mixed race.”
I need to dig into that one some more..Ive noticed Parks is a common surname here.
Off topic, but I was away from here a good 8 years or so and noticed a lot of change when I got back…seems things got rocky while I was away. Glad to see cyber Saponitown kicking on, but haven’t noticed Bill. Is he ok? Maybe to personal to ask? Anyway, Im still greatful for the help he contributed to me in this same thread. He will always have a place in my heart for what he did for me. I will never forget it. fwiw.
seeker;37580 wrote: techteach
“Many years ago, Bill Childs dug up a genealogy that he thought connected to my Huston line. The family was Parks. He thought them mixed race.”
I need to dig into that one some more..Ive noticed Parks is a common surname here.
Off topic, but I was away from here a good 8 years or so and noticed a lot of change when I got back…seems things got rocky while I was away. Glad to see cyber Saponitown kicking on, but haven’t noticed Bill. Is he ok? Maybe to personal to ask? Anyway, Im still greatful for the help he contributed to me in this same thread. He will always have a place in my heart for what he did for me. I will never forget it. fwiw.
I second this. I’m very grateful for Bill Childs’ genealogy help from ten years ago, and to Linda Carter for keeping this forum going so Bill’s and everyone else’s work is still accessible to everyone today.
MarcSnelling;37582 wrote: I second this. I’m very grateful for Bill Childs’ genealogy help from ten years ago, and to Linda Carter for keeping this forum going so Bill’s and everyone else’s work is still accessible to everyone today.
Indeed. My salute to Linda for keeping this going and making it all possible. Thanks is not nearly enough, and
words give little justice to what is due her.
I finally found a tree that lists suspected parents for Adam Teel…long time coming.
(Note: don’t expect Ancestry to put the clues together for you as “green leaf” tips.
Search Search Search by category’s, and tighten up those search filters, then they’re still lacking)
It has some valid points, and others I’m not so sure about.
This person is evidently not sold on who David Parks father is as they list no parents for him.
They do roll with Margaret’s mom being Elizabeth Lance b.28 Sep.1790 PA and her parents being
Peter Lance abt.1759 PA and Eleanor abt. 1758. The line ends there for them.
This is a first time I’ve seen a mothers name for Elizabeth.
Peter Lance is living next to a Charity Teel on 1820 census for Richland OH.
Also, David Parks is found on 1830 census for Richland OH.
Getting back to Adam Teel, they list this Charity Teel as Adams mother. Makes sense.
But then it says her name is actually Anna Gertraud “Charity” Strauss.
(tree owner says they have DNA match to a descendant on the Strauss line)
Anna Gertraud “Charity” b.1763 2 Jun 1763 in Diez, Rhein-Lahn-Kreis, Rheinland-Pfalz Germany
and died in Illinois, her husband is Leonard Diehl (Teel) b.1760 Northampton PA.
He died before 1820 census in either Allegheny PA or Richland OH.
There’s a comment on Leonard that throws me in more than one place. May be typos, but contradicts itself.
She does say there were a lot of errors made on old records, and that she discovered people used other names
rather than their given names. What’s up with that???
It says she found baptism records on web from Hamilton Union Northampton PA stating Leonards father is Frederick Teel, yet on her tree she has Adam Diehl. As well, the list of children on the record has no Adam, but a Leonard Jr.
as the youngest born in 1805. The same year Adam was born…
Also, she says she discovered Adam son of Leonard and “Charity” married a cousin Mary Magdalena Strauss, in Richland County, Ohio. Yet she doesn’t list her as a first wife before Margaret, nor children.
If so, she must have died or divorced because Adam is supposed to have married Margaret by 1828 when he would
still be around 23 years of age.
Of the 10 children of Adam and Margaret there’s a David (eldest b.1828) and a Charity, which indicate they were named after “Charity” Teel and David Parks, or David Strauss.
Anna Gertraud Strauss parents:
David Strauss b.27 Dec 1734 in Freyendietz, Nassau-Diez, d. 4 Mar 1826 in Hamilton, Monroe County, Pennsylvania.
Anna Maria Philipina Roscher b.23 Jul 1739 in Wahlbach, Nassau-Diez , d.24 Sep 1825 in Hamilton,Monroe County, Pennsylvania.
Something to check out anyway…
At this point I have to say it seems this is a mixed family. Where the NA comes in is still
hard to tell with so many unknowns but it was strong enough in Jeretta to be obvious in
a photo I saw years ago and hope to get a copy of some day, though she was unlikely
“full blood” as rumored.
I recall reading a historical document years ago stating an Adam Teel married a NA in early PA history,
before my Adam was born. It may have been Allegheny Co? I need to try and find that again if possible.
A lot of records that use to be out there are now gone for some reason.
Maybe I posted something on this thread about it years ago…
In doing a lot of searching on Peter Lance I’ve come up with a few things…
I found Peter Lance in 1800 on a tax list of Washington Co. PA
Then on a tax list of Beaver co by 1802.
I’m sure this Washington co Peter is mine because Washington borders Beaver to the south.
There’s not a whole lot of peter Lances comparatively.
I also found in Washington Co probable relatives of Peter in Green twp. on a 1781 tax list.
John and Andrew Lance.
Also, there’s a Peter Lance on the Revolutionary list from a Lancaster county PA.
I don’t know how I would figure out if this is my Peter though.
Someone wrote a book on the Lances origins. Originally it was Lantz, predominantly German origin.
It had a number of Lantz immigrants and stories with a few Peter Lances. In doing a quick look
over I’ve not been able to definitively tie my Peter in, but I’m not done scouring it over.
Peter was born about 1750.
Evidently Lance is the French spelling of the German name Lantz.
Shortened from Lantzknecht , meaning “hired soldier” drafted to the imperial kingdom.
According to the book I referred to earlier, The Lantz Family Record by Jacob Lantz.
I still haven’t found a Peter Lance in his book the same age as mine…I have ruled
several out though.
Not being entirely sold on Adams parents as posted above, my research continued. Ive been digging through many
conflicting trees. Its hard to sort it out. I wont bother to list everything there is out there, so be aware, this is not all there is.
With Peter Teal being a Teal I placed by documents to Beaver Co, he seemed likely to be a father to Adam.
I did find trees with a Peter Teal (Diehl) , one listed his birth in York PA, but none list him as being in Bever co.
Nor do they list an Adam as a child. (Ive seen a Peter Teal of VA also so, fwiw, it may be another with this wife)
Anyway, his wife as Jemima Talley Wray b.1787, Married 1800 Franklin VA @ 13. I wont go into the female lines for now.
Peters parents in other trees are John Adam Teal (Diehl) b. 1734 and Mary Magdalena Burkhart b. 1740 York PA.
Interesting side note, It appears some trees list one of their children as:
Maria Catharina Caty Teal Birth 25 Aug 1774 in Dover, York, PA Death 25 Sep 1859 in Thomasville, Oregon, Missouri and married Ephraim Thomas (taking a similar migration as some Saponi have) This tree also has a photo of two above ground stone coffins
behind a barn stating “These rocks sit on top of the ground in a coffin shape. The Jackson County Cemetery Book lists Adam Teel
and Mary Shaw Teel as two of these stones. No Name marked. ⌼Teel Cemetery Jackson County Tennessee USA.” No death dates.
Trees vary greatly on this generation of Adam Teal. I think this is a case where there’s more than one Adam Teal, and trees may be mixing records of different Adams. Some say he’s born in Germany and others PA, others NY. Some his father Johan Adam Diehl born 1690 in Germany and on..sosorting them all out accurately is a challenge.
Another tree with this John Adam Teal hit close on some locations. It seems, an Adam was a veteran of the Revolutionary war. Turns out, a grave for John is in Beaver PA. There are a few documents on under Adam teel, including a war story of being captured by Indians, being rescued, and killing their captors. Evidently, it was written that he said he had been married twice, and had 23 children, unfortunately not all the names were given. (I also found a tax or land record with him in a county next to Beaver under Adam.) This Adams grave…http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=19006371
This tree lists John Adam Teel Birth 8 Aug 1751 in New Brunswick Township, Middlesex County, New Jersey. Death 4 Jul 1835 in Beaver County, Pennsylvania, USA. Parents as Cornelius Teel Birth 1701 in Germany, Death 1770 and Lena GIDDEMAN.
First wife Elizabeth married 1771, second marriage in 1794 Luzern PA to Catherine VanderMark Birth 31 Aug 1775 in Sussex Walpack NJ.
A Son of this Adam, also Adam Birth 24 Jul 1787 in Lancaster Co PA Death 5 Nov 1840 in St.Joseph IN.
Note: This county, is two counties away from where my Adam Teal Settled in IN. This Adam also, had migrated to Trumbull OH,
married in 1805 before moving to IN.
My Adam is not listed in this tree. But it seems a strong likelihood he ties in somewhere.
With the different birth dates of the John Adam Teel, Its possible one is the son of the other.
So many conflicting trees. The truth has to be in there somewhere. I’m still brainstorming this one.
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