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Hello well I suppose that this would be to post this; Bill has been doing some research on my family lines, and I hope he does not mind me saying this, but many names here on this forum show up on the 1850s census records from Indiana, I have a Williams in my family line, as well as Hardin, with possible connexions to Collins, cary, Gibson , Hawkins, Raney and several others show up along with the Hardin clan in Indiana,, sounds like extended families from central Nc Tn moving around again in large groups, really worth investigating,, Thanks to all and very Much to Bill, all the best Tom
Hello Tom,
When Frankie Blackburn and I were writting the article for the Appalachian Quarterly on the Collins family we noted many entire families from Tennessee had migerated just after 1800. They went there but didn’t stay long before moving on to Missouri. We got to checking records and found Indiana about that time period had opened up sections of land. The settlers grabed up the land, made a few improvements on it and sold it for a profit moving on to new territory. Many of those members of the Collins, Gipson, Bowlin, Johnson, Hawkins……Melungeon families were in that group.
Brenda
Here is a link to the Delaware of the Anadarko area. Interesting history — people originally in New Jersey wind up on the Brazos river in West Texas before returning to Oklahoma — it’s amazing that they remained intact after all of that forced migration. They went to a lot of trouble to maintain their Indian identity.
http://www.trailsoftears.org/tribalinfo/content-delawarewest.htm
TRIBE NAME: The English name Delaware was based on the river named for Lord de la Warr. In early colonial times, this river valley was the tribal center of an area that included present New Jersey, Pennsylvania, New York and Delaware. The tribe call themselves Lena’pe or Leni-lena’pe, which is equivalent to “original people.”
LANGUAGE: Belonging to the Algonquian linguistic family, they once were the largest of all Eastern Woodland tribes.
HISTORY: The Delaware tribe was first encountered by Europeans in 1620 living along the Delaware River in and around present-day Vernon, New Jersey, as well as in New York, Pennsylvania and Delaware. By 1682, they had concentrated settlements in Pennsylvania, where they signed the famous treaty with William Penn. And in 1778, the Delaware were the first Indian tribe to sign a treaty with the newly established United States. By the 1770s, the tribe occupied the country between the Ohio and White Rivers in Indiana. Later in 1789, a band of Delaware crossed the Mississippi to escape the Indian wars in Ohio and settled in Spanish Territory (now the state of Missouri).
Throughout the next 40 years, 13 treaties provided for the removal of the Delaware from Missouri to a reservation between the Kansas and Missouri state lines. Surrounded by intolerable conditions, the tribe requested to be moved. Indian Territory was suggested, and in 1812, they settled in Oklahoma. By 1820, two bands had found their way to Texas, and in 1859, a group living along the Brazos River in Texas moved north with the Caddo and Wichita tribes to the Washita River. There they were allotted lands on the Wichita-Caddo reservation near Anadarko, OK. Today, there are two groups of the Delaware in Oklahoma.
CULTURE: One part of the tribe, known as Registered Delaware, came from their Kansas reservation in 1867 and settled with the Cherokee along the Caney River. Their descendants live in Washington, Craig, Nowata and Delaware counties.
The other tribe, federally recognized as a separate legal entity, was associated with the Caddo and Wichita tribes in West Texas and in 1859 came to the Washita River in Indian Territory. This group called themselves “the lost tribe” or “Absentee Delaware Tribe” and are known today as the Delaware Tribe of Western Oklahoma.
LANDMARKS: Delaware Tribal Museum (Anadarko); and Philbrook Museum (Tulsa), for carved temple masks.
Current tribal roll: 12,083
DELAWARE TRIBE OF WESTERN OKLAHOMA
Lawrence F. Snake, President
Hi, I am trying to find anyone that has anyone in their family with the last names of Doggett and Clatterbuck. Both families are from Charlottesville,Va and Culpeper County in Va. Please let me know if you have any info. thanks and god bless. Gidget
There is a good chance that some lived there,as my family lives all over the VA area. If you have any info please let me know. thanks.
vance hawkins wrote: My father’s birth certificate says born: Manitou, Oklahoma, Aug 15, 1915. But in reality he was born on their farm and his grandmother delivered him. That farm was 7 or 8 miles SE of Manitou. It’s a little place with a population only of 200 souls, and that’s on a busy day.
. My mother was one of 5 1937 graduates of Manitou High School (that school building still existed as an abandoned building when I was a kid, but it is no longer there. Josephine Brown Richey (my great-grandma) also delivered my mother, as she was sort of a doctor of a sorts, and country people who couldn’t go to town (it was a days buggy ride to town and back) I’ve been told, went to her for “poltices” and medicines of all sorts. I heard she delivered a lot of babies, too.History says Black Fox (Enoli) was a “conjurer” and a Methodist Minister both. The “Looney” surname that is also Cherokee is said to have descended from him & his relatives. I am not sure what a “conjurer” is, but I think it might deal with traditional medicine. It is possible that tradition passed down to my great-grandma, but I don’t know really. Whether it did or not, it died with her.
I do remember asking my mother about this after dad had passed away, and she told me a story about my Grandma Loney (Richey) Hawkins (Josephine’s daughter). Mom said the first time Loney went to a doctor, she was in her 50s or 60s (that would have been probably in the 1940s during WW2). and mom said she took Loney to the doctors office. She told me grandma told her as she walked out of the doctors office “That man doesn’t know what he’s talkin’ about!” I don’t think she went to a doctor again until she was frail and in her 70s.
I’d heard “Manitou” meant “Great Spirit” or something like that, but knew nothing of the history or language of its origin. I do not know how the town got its name. It is really not much of a town — most of its inhabitants are poor and some homes are not much more than shacks.
vance hawkins
There were many Looney’s in the Grundy, VA area…Buchanan County.
re information on arkansas:
In 1956 the state established taxes. Big flat arkansas is in baxter county. The rolls of natives in the area are in records of other counties not of the county you maybe looking for. In the area there were saponi, cherokee, choctaw for certain. This I know due to some of my family being the assignee’s for choctaw. You may also want to look into BML land grants, records when land when up for auctions on some BML land. In arkansasa they have quick deeds so land is not always taken legally. I hope this helps. If you need more help I can look for more information please let me know. Some birth records are filed in other states not where a person was born remember when families traveled they sometimes filed for birth certificates where they where going, so if a child was born in another state it may show up in other state hope you can get this. For example born in oklahoma filed in ark. I have two aunts with this.
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