[tito1024]

Greetings, Teachtech,

And thank you for your time. That’s great! Hopefully it proves to be an important link to the name.

I have not been idle. We’ve finally broken through yet another barrier by finding my gggrandmother’s death certificate after many people said it didn’t exist. Through that instrument we were able to learn that Sarah Boyd’s parents were Nick and Sarah Owen. Subsequently, we found Sarah Owen in the 1870 census with two sons (out of wedlock?) named Jacob Owen, age 3 and one named, “Barksdale”(sp?) Owen, age 5. On that Census Sarah is living with a Coran (70) and Martha Hughes (45). Their children are Lucy, 15, and George, 14. Because of the sketchiness of information on the 1870 census it’s hard to determine relationships in a household. If I were to venture a guess, I’d guess that Coran Hughes is a relative of Sarah’s – perhaps her mother’s brother? Then again, Martha Hughes could be Sarah’s sister. Sarah did go on to name one of her daughter’s Martha (1900 census).

The above info is all hot off the press – I haven’t digested it all yet. Of special note is the fact that Sarah and Gilmore’s first born, Sallie, had to have been conceived around the time of the 1870 census because in 1880 Sarah is listed as wife to Gilmore with 10 year old Sallie in the home, along with two other siblings, Ella and Pearly. What happened to Sarah’s two sons? Adopted?

I know Sarah had relatives in the Blue Ridge. She visited them often but no one alive ever recalls meeting any of them. I still haven’t found a thread or link to Gilmore’s blood relatives.

I have found something that may or may not be relevant. I found a Nicholas Owens (with an “s”) in Bedford Co Virginia (I think it was the 1840 census) but then we have a problem of ethnicity. We don’t know the race of both of Sarah’s parents except that she was portions of Native and Black. By her own accounting she had a full blood indian parent through her regular referencing. Was it Native on the mother’s side or the father’s? The Indian part would not have been recorded as such but would be recorded based upon the appearance of the other spouse (black or white). But this Bedford Co could be the first clue as to what part of the Blue Ridge I’m to continue searching in.

There are enough relatives alive today who recall sitting on Sarah’s knee. Sarah looked and behaved like an Indian woman. No one alive has ever seen Gilmore. Sarah said, “he too had the indian in him”. Just as with her self, she left no other clues. Did Gilmore also come from Bedford? These and more questions I continue to search. The more I find out about Sarah the closer I can come to getting a foothold onto illusive Gilmore.

I eagerly await any tid-bit you learn about your Gilmore.

Thankyou

Tito1024

[techteach]

Tito:

Not much so far. I find that eveasdropping in on genforum for family names is very helpful. All I found there was that Gilmore seems to be a name with many rumors of Indian blood attached. Lots of discussion about it when you search. As for gggrandmother Elspy, she seems to be a mystery to someone else on that forum also. Apparently, there is a birth location, though. Pennsylvania.

Now that probably means that she was among the bunch of Sinkeys, Hustons, etc. in my family who came from near Huntington, PA. Certainly, her descendents married among these folks and many Gilmores are buried among the Sinkeys. My William Sinkey ancestor fought for the Bedford county, PA militia in the Rev. War. Do you know if it is near to Bedford County, VA? Or were they the same during the dispute of territory between VA and PA?

That’s all I have found out so far. Remodeling and the beginning of the school year are keeping me busy.

Techteach

[Bill Childs]

Tito,

The Sarah Owen, 25, b.Va., living with the HUGHES family on the 1870 Halifax Co census, is not the same Sarah/Sally you are looking for.

1880 Halifax Co Va Census; Black Walnut Twp; pg. 196D:

OWEN,

James M., B, m, 37, farmer, Va, Va, Va.

SARAH J., B, f, 35, wife, Va, Va, Va.*******

BARKSDALE, B, m, 14, son, Va.********

JACOB, B, m, 12, son, Va.*******

Mary, B, f, 6, dau, Va.

Elder, B, m, 5, son, Va.

Matty, B, f, 4, dau, Va.

Fanny, B, f, 3, dau, Va.

In 1900, this James and Sarah Owen had been married 32 yrs and dau Mattie/Matty, 25, was still living with them.

Interestingly, the “Coron” Hughes you mentioned is CANAN Hughes, i.e., as in CANNON ?

Bill

[vance hawkins]

howdy Tito —

good to see you here. I am resident poster that keeps everyone grounded in reality (IMHO) here on Planet Earth. When people start making up weird stories about some fanciful fictitious tale I say “Wait a minute — that’s impossible!” :). That’s my role . . .

I might get people upset, but in reality I just want everything documented as much as can be documented, in the long run this is more helpful than harmful, as a person can spend years researching a blind alley, searching one location for their ancestor when that ancestor might have been under a different tree all along, and the sooner we realize that the quicker we’ll find our ancestors.

I like to research history, and like to help with places, names and dates, certain tribes lived in certain areas — supporting evidence. I specialize in Cherokee more than other tribes, but it all overlaps.

Good to see you here — best wishes and good luck.

vance

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