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Find me in a lie then hahahaha
You can’t do it.
Everything I speak is the truth and is backed up.
Unlike you who change their story on every place you post at…..you can’t even stick to the same story.
My days are just beginning 🙂
Now…I remember you mentioned Jack Goins site about Valentine…..and you mentioned me about my geneology.
http://jgoins.com/valentine_collins_timeline.htm
Notice the name Lewis Collins who was often around Vardy and Valentine.
http://www.angelfire.com/wv2/dillon1944/old_thomas_collins_of_flatt_river.htm
Since you like to always mention Jack Goins.
Lewis Collins above was the son of John Collins Sr.
Applied for a Rev. War Pension in Hawkins County, Tennessee.
“First entered the service in 1778 while living on the Broad River in South Carolina. Moved back to the new River in Montgomery County, Virginia
etc etc…check the site for the full story.
The Broad River originates in the Blue Ridge Mountains of eastern Buncombe County, North Carolina[3] and flows generally south-southeastwardly, through or along the boundaries of Rutherford, Polk and Cleveland Counties in North Carolina[4]; and Cherokee, York, Union, Chester, Fairfield, Newberry and Richland Counties in South Carolina.
Now Stuff from Drury Dobbin’s family bible:
William1 Dobbins was born 17 Feb 1739/40 in Granville NC, and died 23 Sept 1814 in Rutherford Co NC (S:Texas Daughters Revolutionary Ancestors). He married Susannah Collins before 1762 in Granville Co NC, daughter of William Collins. She was born 27 Feb 1737/38 in Granville Co NC, and died 1 May 1832 in Rutherford Co NC.
Now drury could have been wrong as to the exact place of birth of Susanna Collins.
But here is Susanna’s kids information:
Children of William Dobbins and Susannah Collins are:
+2 James B.2 Dobbins, born 1762 in Granville Co NC; died 28 Mar 1843 in Cleveland Co NC.
+3 William2 Dobbins, born 1765 in Granville Co NC.
+4 Mary (Mollie)2 Dobbins, born 1767 in York SC; died 14 Oct 1854 in Spartanburg SC.
+5 Frances “Fannie” 2 Dobbins, born 1773 in York SC; died 1863 in Rutherford Co NC.
+6 Ezekiel2 Dobbins, born 1775 in Rutherford Co NC; died 3 Nov 1857 in Spartanburg SC.
+7 Drury2 Dobbins, Rev., born 7 Apr 1776 in York Co SC; died 19 May 1847 in Rutherford Co NC.
8 Elizabeth2 Dobbins married John Hicks. (S:James O. Womack – Forest City, NC).
+9 Jonathan2 Dobbins, born about 1780; died after 1870.
William Dobbins SR was buried in the Dobbins-Harrill Cemetery, Rutherford Co NC (S:Graves of Revolutionary War Patriots, Vol I (1987), by Patricia Law Hatcher)
1790 Rutherford, NC Census:
1790 R340 RIDLY William M-637 007 117 01 05 02 00 00
1790 M450 MULLINS Charles M-637 007 118 01 03 04 00 00
1790 N242 NICHOLS Franklin M-637 007 117 01 00 01 00 00
1790 G120 GIBS Jesse M-637 007 119 01 01 01 00 00
1790 G125 GOBSON Jonathan M-637 007 120 01 00 01 00 00
1790 G615 GRIFFIN Chism M-637 007 116 01 00 02 00 00
1790 C452 COLLINS Isaac M-637 007 117 01 02 02 00 00
1790 C452 COLLINS Jonathan M-637 007 117 01 05 03 00 00
1790 C452 COLLINS Jonathan M-637 007 117 01 05 03 00 00
1790 C452 COLLINS William M-637 007 119 01 01 02 00 00
1790 C452 COLLINS William M-637 007 119 01 02 02 00 00
1790 C452 COLLINS William M-637 007 119 02 00 02 00 00
1790 C420 COLE Alexander M-637 007 117 01 03 03 00 00
1790 C400 COLE David M-637 007 117 02 04 04 00 00
1790 C400 COLE William M-637 007 118 03 03 05 00 00
1790 D152 DOBBINS James M-637 007 118 01 01 03 00 00
1790 D152 DOBBINS William M-637 007 118 01 00 01 00 00
1790 D152 DOBBINS William M-637 007 118 01 04 04 00 00
1790 J525 JOHNSON Edward M-637 007 120 01 02 02 00 00
1790 J525 JOHNSON James M-637 007 120 01 00 01 00 00
1790 J525 JOHNSON James, Jr. M-637 007 120 01 00 07 00 00
1790 J525 JOHNSON John M-637 007 118 01 01 05 00 00
1790 J525 JOHNSON Jonathan M-637 007 119 01 00 02 00 00
1790 J525 JOHNSON William M-637 007 119 01 05 03 00 00
1790 J525 JOHNSON William M-637 007 119 02 01 02 00 00
1790 J525 JOHNSON Benjamin M-637 007 119 02 00 03 00 00
1800 Rutherford Census:
1800 G520 GOING Alexander M-32 033 114 12101-21201-00
1800 G520 GOING John M-32 033 113 10100-00100-00
1800 H625 HARRISON Joseph M-32 033 120 01010-31010-00
1800 G120 GIBBS James M-32 033 113 00101-11010-00
1800 G120 GIBBS James M-32 033 113 30010-01100-00
1800 G120 GIBBS Jesse M-32 033 113 10010-30100-00
1810 census:
1810 G500 GOWIN Alexander M-252 042 103 NdRcd
1810 G500 GOWIN James M-252 042 103 NdRcd
1810 G500 GOWIN James M-252 042 104 NdRcd
1810 G500 GOWIN William M-252 042 104 NdRcd
1810 G520 GOWINS Benjamin M-252 042 103 NdRcd
1810 E650 ERWIN Gavin M-252 042 099 NdRcd
1810 E650 ERWIN James M-252 042 100 NdRcd
Rutherford, NC Deeds
Collins, William / Riddle, William / DDed/18-19/47/1802
looks like Rutherford NC’s Collins and William Riddle asland transactions together…..William collins was the brother of Susanna Collins (he is in the bible of Drury Dobbins).
Other rutherford county, nc deed records:
Broad River Lumber Co. / Mullen, James / DT/R-2/505/1912
Broad River Lumber Co. / Mullen, James / Mtg/U-1/283/1913
Lewis, Edward / Mullen, Robert / Deed/36/204/1828
Eaves, Burwel / Mullens, William / Deed/24-26/249/1808
Mullins, William / Mullins, Charles / Deed/29-31/206/1817
Mullins, William / Mullins, Luke / Deed/37-38/215/1830
Johnston, Daniel / Mullins, Mathew / Deed/15-17/286/1801
Crowder, William / Mullins, William / Deed/35/12/1825
Mullen, Evelyn G. & JM / Garabaldi, Indianna / Deed/66/230/1893
Mullen, James M. / Garabaldi, Indianna / Agmt/66/233/1893
Mullins, Luke / Warlick Absalom / Deed/36/284/1829
Mullins, Luke / Tisdale, William A. / Deed/37-38/486/1832
Mullins, Mathew / Crowder, William / Deed/22-23/669/1807
Mullins, Peggy / Baber, James / Deed/32-33/535/1821
Mullins, Robert / Brizendine, Young / Deed/37-38/315/1831
Mullins, Robert / Brizendine, Young / Mtg/37-38/273/1831
Mullins, William / Mullins, Charles / Deed/29-31/206/1817
Mullins, William / Mullins, Luke / Deed/37-38/215/1830
Some of them are duplicates
Anderson, John / Nichols & Wilkerson / Mtg/A/65/1885
Mitchell, NL & S. / Nichols, JA / Deed/54/372/1878
Miller, James / Nichols, Jacob / Shf D/34/195/1823
Atchley, J.S. & L.M. / Nichols, Jonathan A./ Deed/62/294/1889
Bronson, Arthur & Ann E. / Nichols, Perkins / Deed/37-38/4/1829
Jay, Peter / Nichols, Perkins / QCD/37-38/1/1829
Flinn, GL & Nancy M. / Nichols, RA / Deed/51/352/1874
Harris, EC & ML / Nichols, TL / Deed/68/58/1894
More rutherford nc deeds:
Collins, Abraham / Dedman, Mark / Deed/22-23/343/1805
Collins, Abraham / Robinson, Thomas / Deed/22-23/462/1806
Collins, Abraham / Collins, Martin / Deed/25/82/1809
Collins, Abraham / Dedman, Thomas / Deed/29-31/534/1819
Collins, Abraham / Collins, Mary / Deed/34/301/1824
Collins, Abraham / Burton, Robert H. / Shf D/36/25/1826
Collins, Abraham / Weathers, William / Shf D/36/183/1828
Collins, BA & QA / Collins, KJ / Mtg/F/234/1893
Collins, BA & QA / McBrayer, TL / Mtg/H/192/1896
Collins, BA & QA / Champion, CM / Deed/70/322/1897
Collins, BA & QA / Collins, RT / Deed/74/518/1899
Collins, Ben S. & Nellie A. / Tilden, CW / P of Atty/79/466/1903
Collins, Betsey & Quince A. / Freeman, ZV / DT/Q/6/1908
Collins, BZ & JP / Murphy, WM / Deed/91/109/1909
Collins, BZ & JP / Duncan, Katie / Deed/97/150/1912
Collins, CA & JL / Tanner, KS / Deed/103/52/1913
Collins, David G. / Elam, Thomas / Deed/34/274/1824
Collins, Elizabeth / Collins, William J. / Gift D/36/267/1829
Collins, H. & ME / Martial, Thomas J. / Deed/54/30/1877
Collins, H. & ME / Robertson, William H. / Deed/69/50/1895
Collins, HC & ME / Jones, James H. / Deed/54/28/1877
Collins, Hrs of RJ / McBrayer, TC / Deed/83/279/1905
Collins, Ida & R. / Mitchem, WH / Deed/100/257/1914
Collins, Ida & Richard / Wolverine Gold Mining Co. / Deed/81/413/1905
Collins, Isaac / Hill, Richard / Shf D/J-L/375/1795
Collins, James / Mayhew, William T. / Deed/24-26/548/1812
Collins, James / Wilson, Robert M. / Deed/34/272/1824
Collins, James / Howel, John, Jr. / Deed/41-42/476/1836
Collins, James Jr. & James Sr. / Cornwell, Samuel / Deed/43/490/1838
Collins, James, / Anthony, Jacob / Deed/35/150/1826
Collins, James, Sr. / Collins, James, Jr. / Deed/39-40/378 & 383/1834
Collins, John / Collins, James / QCD/32-33/391/1821
Collins, John / Weathers, William / Deed/32-33/388/1821
Collins, John / Burge, John / Deed/41-42/366/1836
Collins, John / Brooks, Isaac / Deed/43/662/1839
Collins, John / Jolley, Peter / Deed/44/125/1840
Collins, John & Sarah A. / Gibbs, JM / Deed/60/51/1886
Collins, Joseph / Bridges, James / Deed/20-21/266/1803
Collins, Joseph / Gibbs, James / Deed/22-23/5/1804
Collins, Joseph / Roach, John / Deed/29-31/380/1818
Collins, JP & QA / Huntley, GM / Deed/80/480/1905
Collins, JT / Collins, Joseph / Deed/100/595/1915
Collins, Julia & WM / Green, WA / Deed/70/100/1896
Collins, Julia & WW / Heath, BD / Mtg/66/314/1893
Collins, Julia E. / Metcalf, Carrie L. / Deed/106/67/1916
Collins, Julia E. & WM / Collins, MJ / Deed/68/622/1895
Collins, Julia E. & WM / Metcalf, Jacob / Mtg/H-2/521/1898
Collins, Lula & SJ / Whiteside, Wade H. / Deed/78/160/1902
Collins, Martha / Harrill, John B. / Deed/70/229/1896
Collins, Martha & RJ / Griffin, Manerva E. / Deed/57/324/1884
Collins, Martha J. & Rufus J. / Wilkie, GP / Deed/59/50/1885
Collins, Mary / Dun, Robert / Gift D/32-33/526/1821
Collins, Mary / Bailey, Samuel / Deed/34/303/1824
Collins, ME & RJ / Splawn, William / Deed/60/158/1886
Collins, MJ & RJ / Martin, William / Mtg/B/175/1888
Collins, MJ & RJ / Collins, QA / Deed/67/378/1894
Collins, Nannie / Culbreath, LD / Deed/88/525/1908
Collins, Nannie B. / Bice, EM / P of Atty/88/241/1907
Collins, RJ / JB Liles Co. / Mtg/B/275/1888
Collins, RJ / Logan, Emma / B for T/67/59/1893
Collins, RJ / Logan, Emma / Deed/89/284/1908
Collins, Russel / Wilson, EW / Mtg/H-3/48/1900
Collins, Russel / Owens, JA / Deed/77/21/1902
Collins, Russel / Collins, James P. / Deed/79/240/1903
Collins, Russell T. / Collins, JT / Deed/73/62/1898
Collins, Sarah / Callahan, Drury / Deed/41-42/477/1836
Collins, William / Riddle, William / DDed/18-19/47/1802
Collins, William / Blanton, Obediah / Deed/22-23/186/1804
Collins, William / Collins, Samuel / Deed/32-33/77/1819
Collins, William / Dobbins, Drury / Deed/34/51/1822
Collins, William F. / Smith, John / Deed/41-42/470/1836
Collins, WM / Martin, William / Mtg/54/365/1878
Collins, WM / Yarboro, JH / Mtg/55/224/1880
Collins, WM / Rutherford RR Const. Co. / R of W/58/89/1885
Collins, WM / Harrill, JB / Deed/60/378/1886
Collins, WM / McBrayer, TC / Mtg/H-2/193/1902
Collins, WM / Williams, BF / Deed/79/76/1903
Gibbs, Adaline, Laura E., WM / Gibbs, Henry / Deed/94/238/1910
Gibbs, Andrew / Fowler, William / Deed/97/233/1912
Gibbs, BF & EP / McCraw, CA / Mtg/M/60/1904
Gibbs, Eliza A. & WH / McEntire, Susan / Deed/55/331/1880
Gibbs, Henry / Wiley, John / DT/45/1143/1853
Gibbs, Henry & Nancy / Whiteside, BL / Agmt/85/50/1906
Gibbs, Henry, John, Thomas, William / Dimsdale, Neasbit / Deed/45/897/1851
Gibbs, James / Jay, Joseph / Deed/24-26/390/1811
Gibbs, Jane / Jones, Standerfer / Deed/41-42/222/1835
Gibbs, Jane / Gibbs, Nancy / Deed/49/38A/1867
Gibbs, Jesse / Harrilson, Solomon / Deed/25/15/1809
Gibbs, Jesse / Roach, John / Deed/24-26/409/1811
Gibbs, Jesse / Collins, John / Deed/29-31/405/1818
Gibbs, JH / Gibbs, JC / Deed/93/455/1910
Gibbs, JH & JC / / Mtg/H-3/336/1903
Gibbs, John / Gibbs, Jane / Deed/44/154/1841
Gibbs, John / Searcy, John D. / Deed/48/15/1858
Gibbs, John / Williams, PD / Mtg/H/56/1895
Gibbs, John & ML / Lewis, James M. / Deed/71/126/1897
Gibbs, John F. & ML / Mooney, Raleigh / Deed/91/217/1909
Gibbs, Lou / Geer, CD / Deed/94/581/1910
Gibbs, MA & WW / Wilson, WW / Deed/60/117/1886
Gibbs, Nancy / Eaves, Jane / Deed/50/29/1870
Gibbs, Obadiah / Greenway, Gideon A. / Deed/44/514/1843
Gibbs, William / Coward, Benjamin / Deed/45/129/1844
Gibson, Elizabeth E. & James W. / Morris, George / Deed/51/455/1874
Gibson, James W. / Hampton, Jefferson / Deed/53/335/1876
Gibson, Jane / Gibson, Polly / Gift d/44/4/1840
Gibson, JT / Duffy, Thomas S. / P of A/48/47/1858
Erwin, AB, JC, OC, ME / Hicks, VC / Deed/79/290/1903
Erwin, AB,LP,OC,Julia C. / Justice, MH / DT/G/532/1895
Erwin, Anna B. / Flack, JF / DT/L/479/1903
Erwin, Anna B. & LP / Hill, CE / Deed/75/475/1901
Erwin, Arthur / Twitty, Robert G. / Deed/47/157/1857
Erwin, E. & JG / Elliott, TF / Deed/69/83/1895
Erwin, EJ / Morgan, JW / QCD/48/8/1858
Erwin, Elizabeth & James G. / Elliott, TF / Deed/71/93/1897
Erwin, Elizabeth & JG / Gettys, Martha / Deed/59/1/1885
Erwin, Ellen R. & LP / Erwin, Joseph C. / Deed/62/238/1889
Erwin, Ellen R. & LP / Erwin, Annie B. / Deed/66/50/1892
Erwin, Ellen,OC,Julia,Joseph / Dickerson, MO / Deed/84/386/1906
Erwin, Ellen,OC,Julia,Joseph / Justice, ML / Deed/84/388/1906
Erwin, Ellen,OC,Julia,Joseph / Clark, RB / Deed/94/526/1910
Erwin, Elvira J. & JJ / Bettis, SA / Deed/50/464/1872
Erwin, ER & LP / Cowen, JC / Deed/61/430/1888
Erwin, ER & LP / Ivy, WC / Deed/61/285/1888
Erwin, ER & LP / Wallace, ADK / Deed/62/474/1889
Erwin, ER & LP / Hyder, HL / Deed/63/218/1890
Erwin, ER & LP / Justice, MH / DT/C/534/1890
Erwin, ER & LP / Mathews, J. / Deed/63/449/1890
Erwin, ER & LP / Whiteside, Jacob / Deed/62/581/1890
Erwin, ER & LP / Cowen, JC / Mtg/D/351/1891
Erwin, ER & LP / Henderson, MA / Mtg/D/170/1891
Erwin, ER & LP / Hitchcock, DN / Contract/64/254/1891
Erwin, ER & LP / Lynch, TM / Deed/64/271/1891
Erwin, ER & LP / Morrow, DF / Deed/64/510/1891
Erwin, ER & LP / Wirz, Julius / Deed/64/60/1891
Erwin, ER & LP / Landie, Margaret E. / Mtg/E/156/1892
Erwin, ER & LP / Smith, Thomas C. / Deed/77/559/1904
Erwin, Ermentine & Joseph C. / Elwood, Catherine / Mtg/D/132/1891
Erwin, Ernestine / Citizens Bldg. & Loan Assoc. / Deed/69/498/1896
Erwin, Essie M. & Carson / Hines, WJ / Deed/90/116/1909
Erwin, Essie M. & OC / Hodge, Henry / Deed/88/29/1907
Erwin, Essie M. & OC / McMorris, WT / Mtg/R/50/1909
Erwin, Essie M. & OC / McMorris, WT / QCD/95/377/1912
Erwin, Essie M. & OC / Hampton, RL / Deed/101/352/1914
Erwin, G. Ed / Paysuer, WT / Deed/87/514/1908
Erwin, GE / Flack, GC / Deed/83/349/1906
Erwin, GE / Withrow, WM / Deed/82/361/1906
Erwin, GE / Merrell, Theodocia / Deed/86/319/1907
Erwin, Hattie & GE / Flack, JF / Deed/102/44/1913
Erwin, James / Bradley, Thornton / Deed/29-31/65/1816
Erwin, James / Hamilton, Joseph / Deed/29-31/99/1816
Erwin, James / Morris, William / Deed/32-33/61/1819
Erwin, James / McDowell, Charles / Deed/32-33/292/1820
Erwin, James / Alexander, Elias / Deed/37-38/502/1832
Erwin, James / Erwin, Overton L. / Deed/45/127/1844
Erwin, James & Mary / Walton, George / Deed/35/42/1825
Erwin, James & Mary / Craton, Isaac / Deed/37-38/46 & 47/1829
Erwin, James & Mary / Bradley, Coleman / Deed/37-38/529/1832
Erwin, James & Mary / Bitting, John L. / Deed/41-42/383/1836
Erwin, James & Mary / Walton, George / Deed/43/608/1839
Erwin, James & Mary / Hamilton, Sarah / Deed/44/153/1841
Erwin, James & Mary / Elmer, Roswell, Jr. / Deed/44/260/1842
Erwin, James & Mary / Twitty, William / Deed/44/261/1842
Erwin, James C. / Tanner, Columbus P. / Deed/67/39/1893
Erwin, James M. / Gray, David / Deed/45/468/1846
Erwin, James M. / Hamilton, Mary / Deed/54/255/1878
Erwin, JC / Washburn, JR / Deed/68/170/1895
Erwin, JJ & SA / Butler, JL / Mtg/P/117/1907
Erwin, JJ & Sallie / Roach, MA / Deed/82/593/1907
Erwin, JW / Hamilton, Mary / Deed/54/317/1878
Erwin, Levira J. & JJ / Forney, Emily M. / Deed/50/73/1869
Erwin, LP / Carrier, HD / Deed/49/290/1869
Erwin, LP / Whiteside, JW / Deed/51/244/1873
Erwin, LP / Carrier, GD / Deed/62/328/1889
Erwin, LP / Wallace, ADK / Deed/62/327/1889
Erwin, LP / Levi, M. / Mtg/H/6/1895
Erwin, LP / Miller, HM / Deed/68/349/1895
Erwin, LP / Henderson, MA / Deed/70/81/1896
Erwin, LP / Bradley, TC / Deed/71/43/1897
Erwin, LP / Citizens Bldg. & Loan Assoc. / Deed/72/301/1898
Erwin, LP / Cowen, JC / Deed/72/300/1898
Erwin, LP / Landie, Margaret E. / Deed/71/233/1898
Erwin, LP / Carpenter, KJ / Deed/74/629/1900
Erwin, LP / Citizens Bldg. & Loan Assoc. / Deed/75/250/1900
Erwin, MA & RL / Hogan, GW / Deed/68/321/1895
Erwin, Matilda & WW / Coxe, Tench / Deed/22-23/546/1806
Erwin, NE & TS / / Deed/77/481/1904
Erwin, OC / Scoggin, AA / Deed/83/331/1905
Erwin, OC / Krause, JW / Deed/100/243/1913
Erwin, OC / Holland, TC / Deed/105/395/1916
Erwin, Overtin L. / Hamilton, Nancy / Deed/54/306/1878
Erwin, RL / Hampton, SD / Mtg/F/72/1893
Erwin, Sarah / Miller, JT / Deed/43/223/1838
Erwin, Sarah M. / Erwin, George E. / B for T/55/524/1881
Erwin, W. / Johns, Zackeriah / Deed/29-31/312/1817
Erwin, Wa / Benick, Jeremiah / deed/37-38/19/1829
Erwin, WA / Wall, Amos / Deed/37-38/325/1831
Erwin, William / Koon, George / Deed/24-26/641/1812
Erwin, William / Allison, John / Deed/27-28/255/1814
Erwin, William / Thompson, Elijah / Deed/27-28/241/1814
Erwin, William / Proctor, Reubin / Deed/29-31/162/1817
Erwin, William / Downs, William / Deed/29-31/483/1818
Erwin, William / Henderson, Moses / Deed/32-33/81/1819
Erwin, William / Bridges, John / Deed/32-33/372/1821
Erwin, William / Young, Francis / Deed/34/90/1822
Erwin, William / Mills, John / Deed/34/309/1824
Erwin, William / Parker, John / Deed/34/268/1824
Erwin, William / Crowder, Allen / Deed/43/623/1839
Erwin, William / Long, AB / Deed/50/113/1870
Erwin, William / Erwin, Sarah M. / Deed/51/103/1873
Erwin, William / Spratt, Jane M. / Deed/51/98/1873
Erwin, William / Watson, CE / Deed/51/99/1873
Erwin, William / Groves, Jasper B. / Deed/58/377/1885
Erwin, William / Lane, Jessie / Deed/61/216/1887
Erwin, William H. / Pruit, Spencer / Deed/32-33/604/1821
Erwin, William W. / Downs, Robert / Deed/32-33/596/1821
Erwin, William W. / Elliott, Martin / Deed/32-33/631/1822
Erwin, William W. / Whiteside, William / Deed/32-33/644/1822
Erwin, William W. / Cloud, Joseph / Deed/34/212/1823
Erwin, William W. / Dickerson, Garland / Deed/34/194/1823
Erwin, William W. / Miller, James / Deed/34/165/1823
Erwin, William W. / Mills, Marvell / Deed/35/257/1826
Erwin, William W. / Hunter, John / Deed/36/41/1827
Erwin, William W. / Biggerstaff, Samuel / Deed/36/210/1828
Erwin, William W. / Miller, WJ / Deed/41-42/206/1835
Erwin, William W. & WA / Burchett, Theodrick / Deed/43/113/1837
Erwin, WN / Coxe, Tench / Deed/R-1-3/101/0
Erwin, WU / Hawkins, Edward / Deed/32-33/363/1821
Erwin, WW / Coxe, Tench / Receipt/7-9/192/1798
Erwin, WW / Doggett, Bushrad / Deed/24-26/692/1812
Erwin, WW / Scott, Dunlap / Deed/35/250/1826
Erwin, WW / Marlow, James / Deed/36/141/1828
Erwin, WW / Walker, Jeremiah / Deed/37-38/298/1831
Harrison, Agnes / Smith, RL / Deed/65/328/1892
Harrison, Agnes L. / Powell, Sm / Deed/69/94/1895
Harrison, AS,EE,FM,JH,JS,JK,Mary,SF,SW / Ramsey, JM / Deed/95/359/1912
Harrison, AS,FM,EE,JH,JK,JS,Mary,SF / Harrison, SW / Deed/95/353/1912
Harrison, AS,FM,EE,JH,JS,NC,Mary,Sam / Harrison, JK / Deed/95/351/1912
Harrison, Drucilla / Crews, Tilley / Mtg/H/389/1898
Harrison, Drucilla & William / Yelton, AR / Deed/66/321/1893
Harrison, Drusilla & William / Moore, SK / Deed/61/78/1887
Harrison, Drusilla & William / Harrison, SW / Deed/67/137/1894
Harrison, FM & JS / Harrison, JW / Mtg/H-3/243/1902
Harrison, FM & JS / Lovelace, MJ / Deed/82/126/1905
Harrison, FM & JS / Lovelace, MJ / Deed/82/127/1905
Harrison, JA / Moore, SK / Deed/57/349/1885
Harrison, James R. & Simon / Smith, JAmes M. / Deed/39-40/218/1834
Harrison, JH / Harrison, JS / Deed/87/73/1907
Harrison, JH / Calton, JM / Deed/87/477/1908
Harrison, JK & SF / Smawly, JM / Deed/95/456/1912
Harrison, John / Harrison, Edmond / Deed/37-38/408/1831
Harrison, John / Harrison, James / Deed/37-38/401/1831
Harrison, John W. / Harrison, VE / Deed/87/284/1908
Harrison, Joseph / Scoggins, Francis / Deed/22-23/613/1806
Harrison, JW / CS Piper & Co. / Deed/74/718/1900
Harrison, JW & ME / Harrison, JK / Deed/64/343/1891
Harrison, JW & ME / Harrison, SW / Deed/65/517/1892
Harrison, JW & ME / Rollins, WNS / Release/78/490/1903
Harrison, JW & ME / Harrison, AE / Gift D/80/541/1905
Harrison, JW & VE / Harrison, SW / Deed/91/168/1909
Harrison, JW & VE / Harrison, SW / Deed/91/347/1910
Harrison, Thomas / McCrow, Samuel / Deed/25/134/1810
Harrison, Thomas / Wright, Hollas / Deed/27-28/5/1813
Harrison, Thomas / McCraw, Samuel / Deed/27-28/141/1814
Griffin, Arninta & AWS / Griffin, LJ / Deed/72/313/1898
Griffin, BF / Eaves, RS / Mtg/S/598/1912
Griffin, BF / Painter, CO / Deed/99/327/1912
Griffin, Caleb & John / Westbrooks, MO / Deed/75/295/1901
Griffin, Caleb & SA / Painter, Anne W. / Deed/84/274/1906
Griffin, Caleb & Sarah / Liles RE / Mtg/G/156/1894
Griffin, Caleb, Margaret E., William / Manley, PJ / Deed/73/627/1901
Griffin, Dona & WM / Covington, DD / Deed/99/597/1913
Griffin, Edith & JL / Hicks, WW / Mtg/S/183/1910
Griffin, Edith & JL / Moss, WS / Deed/97/482/1914
Griffin, Edith E. & JL / Griffin, John W. / Deed/77/263/1903
Griffin, Edith E. & JL / Hicks, WW / DT/P/358/1907
Griffin, Edith E. & JL / Harrill, JJ / Deed/102/327/1915
Griffin, EE & JL / Hicks, WW / DT/P/172/1907
Griffin, EE & JL / Reid, George P. / DT/Q/17/1908
Griffin, Eleanor & William / Pickett, Micajah / Deed/20-21/127 & 128/1803
Griffin, Elizabeth & William L. / Suttle, John / Deed/46/115/1854
Griffin, Florence, JW, Mary / Griffin, GW / Deed/97/406/1913
Griffin, Frank / Manly, PJ / Deed/99/340/1912
Griffin, Frank & Minnie / ZV Jolley & Co. / Deed/106/122/1916
Griffin, Frank & Mrs. MM / Jolley, ZV / Deed/106/82/1916
Griffin, G. / Carson, Joseph M. / Deed/36/107/1827
Griffin, G. / Moore, John / Deed/36/201/1828
Griffin, G. / Porter, Walter S. / Deed/41-42/211/1835
Griffin, GO / Griffin, Mary A. / Deed/45/1018/1852
Griffin, GO / Tanner, WA / Deed/47/103/1856
Griffin, GW & JW / Roberson, TC / Deed/94/306/1910
Griffin, GW & Mattie / Cole, Horace / Deed/80/470/1905
Griffin, GW 7 Mattie / Callahan, Bell / Mtg/S/491/1912
Griffin, GW, ME, JW, Mary / Griffin, Florence / Deed/97/280/1913
Griffin, JB & JE / Martin, JS / Deed/90/416/1909
Griffin, John / Westbrooks, MO / Mtg/H/527/1899
Griffin, JW / Griffin, RC / Deed/78/228/1902
Griffin, JW / Griffin, JL / Mtg/O/566/1909
Griffin, LJ / Moore, AC / Deed/73/415/1900
Griffin, LJ & MA / Griffin, NL / Deed/88/239/1907
Griffin, LJ, LW, LL, Mat / McBrayer, TC / QCD/78/577/1903
Griffin, LW / Allen, RJ / Mtg/H/422/1898
Griffin, LW / Ross, Thomas / Mtg/H-3/71/1901
Griffin, LW / Griffin, JW / Mtg/H-3/358/1903
Griffin, LW / Beheler, Narcissus / Deed/96/215/1911
Griffin, LW & ME / Coxe, Frank / Mtg/57/474/1885
Griffin, Mat / Moore, GF / Deed/97/150/1911
Griffin, Mat, LJ, NL / Green, Mary A. / Deed/76/310/1902
Griffin, Matt, LJ, ML / Griffin, LW / Deed/72/308/1898
Griffin, Mattie / Cole, John / D of L/75/439/1901
Griffin, Minnie / Geer, James E. / deed/88/28/1907
Griffin, Minnie & WS / Smith, Logan / Deed/77/445/1904
Griffin, Minnie & WS / Goode, Thomas S. / Lease/84/359/1906
Griffin, Mrs. M. & JW / Reed, George P. / DT/P/341/1907
Griffin, Naomi & Lewis W. / Griffin, JW / Deed/88/198/1907
Griffin, NL / Griffin, MA / Deed/99/421/1912
Griffin, NL & Mat / Griffin, LJ / Deed/79/201/1903
Griffin, Peter / Griffin, Richard / Deed/29-31/352/1818
Griffin, Peter / Moore, John / Shf D/34/21/1822
Griffin, RC / Griffin, JB / Deed/92/420/1909
Griffin, Scott / Coxe, Frank / Mtg/57/271/1884
Griffin, William L. / Moore, John / Deed/41-42/565/1837
Griffin, William L. / Suttle, Joseph / Deed/100/336/1914
Griffin, William S. / Wilkins, Thomas / P of A/ 45/1104/1853
Griffin, WL / Liles, John / Deed/36/114/1827
Griffin, WL / Moore, John / Deed/36/192/1828
Griffin, Wl / Suttle, Benjamin F. / Deed/37-38/115/1830
Griffin, Wl / Walker, Lyman / Deed/41-42/143/1834
Griffin, WL / Griffin, AWS / Shf D/54/521/1879
Griffin, WL / Moore, Thomas / Deed/61/17/1887
Griffin,JL / Withrow, WM / Mtg/R-1/13/1910
Yes there is even the Mattamuskeet families in rutherford land records:
Mackey, Alexander / Musick, Abraham / Deed/E-I/110/1784
Mackey, Alexander / Williams, Joseph / Deed/E-I/413/1792
Mackey, Alexander / Coward, James / Deed/J-L/51/1793
Mackey, Alexander / Young, Robert / Deed/J-L/6/1793
Mackey, David / Wharey, Thomas / Deed/M-Q/104/1795
Mackey, Elizabeth & William / Rowland, Thomas / Deed/M-Q/442/1796
Mackey, Shuanna / Mackey, David / Deed/M-Q/184/1796
Justice, Moses / Squeir, John C. / Deed/63/43/1890
Bryant, Leander / Squier, John C. / Deed/63/43/1890
Bryant, Leander / Squier, John C. / Deed/65/510/1892
Fisher, John / Squir, John / Deed/20-21/104/1803
Baber, A.E.,B.A.,N.E.,J.S.,N.G.,L.A. / Miller, James A. / Mtg/H/229/1897
Baber, A.E.,L.A.,J.S.,Mary B. / Baber, Nancy G. / Deed/69/302/1896
Baber, A.M. / Blanton, J.H. / Deed/45/1031/1852
Baber, A.M. / Moore, Sarah / Deed/45/995/1852
Baber, Alpha / Baber, C.S. / D of L/65/216/1892
Baber, B.A & George & James, Jr.& William/ / Deed/35/177/1826
Baber, B.A. / Miller, William H. / Deed/78/509/1903
Baber, B.A. & George & James / Hamilton, Sarah / Deed/36/52/1827
Baber, B.A. & M. Abi / Biggerstaff, Sarah C. / Deed/64/451/1891
Baber, B.A. & M. Abi / Biggertaff, Mary E. / Deed/64/453/1891
Baber, B.A. & M. Abi / Finley, Robert J. / Deed/64/610/1891
Baber, B.A. & Nancy / Miller, J. A. / Deed/78/142/1902
Baber, B.A.,A.E.,N.G.,J.S.,L.A.,J.T. / McBrayer, Matt / Mtg/D/147/1891
Baber, B.C,N.L.,J.G., O.R.,S.M. / Deck, A.W. / Deed/93/427/1910
Baber, B.W. / M.E. Church South / Deed/48/77/1859
Baber, B.W. / Coxe, Frank / Mtg/57/487/1885
Baber, B.W. / Biggerstaff, John W. / Deed/85/508/1907
Baber, B.W. & Catharine & L.A. / McDaniel, J.W. / Deed/54/96/1877
Baber, B.W. & Frances / McFarland, James V. / Deed/69/477/1896
Baber, B.W. & Francis M. / School District # 57 / Deed/61/186/1887
Baber, B.W. & Frankie / Tucker, W.M./ Deed/66/461/1893
Baber, C. S. / Baber, S.M. / Qcd/65/153/1892
Baber, C.A. & J.M. / Long, J.A. / Mtg/D/314/1891
Baber, C.A. & J.M. / Deck, A.W. / Deed/70/356/1897
Baber, C.R. & Georgie / Wesson, J.B. / Mtg/H/153/1896
Baber, C.S. / Wells, John L. / Deed/62/537/1890
Baber, C.S. / School District # / Deed/65/220/1892
Baber, C.S. / Pool, O.H. / Deed/72/50/1898
Baber, C.S. / Allen, W.P. / Deed/77/88/1902
Baber, C.S. / Rutherford Co. Board of Edu. / Deed/86/75/1906
Baber, C.S. / Hardin, P.A. / Deed/88/196/1907
Baber, C.S. / Holston Corp. / Deed/86/575/1907
Baber, C.S. / South & Western RR Co. / R of W/85/496&501/1907
Baber, C.S. / Carolina-Clinchfield & Ohio RR / R of W/88/322/1908
Baber, C.S. & S.M. / Wells, John T. / Deed/64/431/1892
Baber, C.S. & S.M. / Wells, S.C. / B for T/65/215/1892
Baber, C.S. & S.M. / Wells, S.C. / Deed/65/150/1892
Baber, C.S. & S.M. / Harden, E.S. / Deed/85/504/1907
Baber, Catharine B. & James / Baber, B.W. / Deed/50/507/1872
Baber, Celia & J.M. / Long, J.A. / Mtg/F/152/1893
Baber, Charles / Baber, Sarah / Deed/34/23/1822
Baber, Eliza / Keeter, C.F. / Deed/97/273/1912
Baber, Eliza / Tate,W.C. / Deed/96/405/1912
Baber, G.W. / Lowrance, Jacob L. / Deed/44/227/1841
Baber, G.W. / Blanton, J.H. / Deed/45/1031/1852
Baber, Geo. & Chestley / Baber, B.A. / Deed/47/258/1857
Baber, George T. & William G./ / P of Atty/47/252/1857
Baber, J.T. / Moore, John T./ / 64/536/1891
Baber, J.T. & T.L. / Doggett, C. A. / Deed/81/490/1905
Baber, James / Allen, Joseph / Deed/25/162/1810
Baber, James / Eaves, Burrell / Deed/29-31/217/1817
Baber, James / Green, William, Sr. / Deed/29-31/247/1817
Baber, James / McAfee, Robert / Deed/29-31/174/1817
Baber, James / Hamilton, Joseeh / Deed/32-33/280/1820
Baber, James / Hamilton, Joseph / Deed/32-33/246/1820
Baber, James / Morrow, Alfred / Deed/32-33/652/1822
Baber, James / Baber, Robert, Sr. / Deed/34/204/1823
Baber, James / Baber, George / Deed/34/344/1825
Baber, James / Eaves, Andrew / Deed/35/87/1825
Baber, James / Arthur, William / Deed/35/178/1826
Baber, James, Jr. / McEntire, John / Shf D/43/159/1837
Baber, James, Sr. / Baber, William / Deed/34/23/1822
Baber, Jane & W.P. / Matheny, P. / Deed/87/565/1908
Baber, John / Baber, James / Deed/4-6/118/1797
Baber, John / Baber, James / Deed/7-9/417/1798
Baber, John / Heslep, Thomas / Deed/20-21/187/1803
Baber, John / Polk, Daniel / Deed/22-23/675/1807
Baber, John / Davis, Benjamin / Deed/29-31/479/1818
Baber, John / DePriest, James / Deed/39-40/432/1834
Baber, John / Martin, William / Deed/41-42/636/1835
Baber, John / Carpenter, Jacob D. / Deed/45/132/1844
Baber, John / Baxter, Thomas / Shf D/45/471/1847
Baber, John / Scruggs, David / Shf D/48/472/1864
Baber, John / Davis Toliver / Deed/48/509/1865
Baber, M.E. & T.L. / Toms, T.F. / Deed/58/145/1885
Baber, M.E. & T.L. / King, B.C. / Mtg/60/533/1886
Baber, M.E. & Thomas L. / Toms, T.F. / Deed/60/373/1886
Baber, M.E. & Thomas L. / Moore, F. / Mtg/C/361/1890
Baber, M.E. & Thomas L. / Harrill, John B. / Deed/73/582/1901
Baber, M.J. & W.P. / Roberson, C.M. / Deed/77/355/1903
Baber, Maggie & Thomas L. / Toms, T.F. / Deed/60/512/1886
Baber, Maggie & Thomas L. / McArthur, W.S. / Mtg/C/265/1890
Baber, Mary J. / Norville, O.R. / Deed/97/435/1913
Baber, Mollie & S. Marvin / Carson, James M. / DT/U/19/1912
Baber, N.G. / Baber, William G. / Deed/55/212/1880
Baber, N.L. & W.O. / School District # 59 / Deed/64/201/1891
Baber, N.L. & W.O. / Harden, E.S. / Deed/68/542/1895
Baber, N.L. & W.O. / Baber, J.G. / Deed/75/24/1900
Baber, Nancy & Millie J. / Baber, Chestley D. / P of Atty/47/250/1857
Baber, Nancy L./ Freeman, Lucy / QCD/89/10/1907
Baber, Nancy L. / Freeman, S. F. / Deed/74/85/1899
Baber, Nancy L. / Freeman, D.D. / Deed/75/240/1900
Baber, Nancy L. / Deck, Louisia N. / Deed/92/333/1909
Baber, Nancy L. / Hunt, H.L. / Deed/96/37/1911
Baber, Robert / McBrayer, Davis / Deed/34/133/1823
Baber, S.M. / Baber, C.S. / QCD/65/146/1892
Baber, S.M. / Wells, S.C. / Deed/80/565/1905
Baber, Sarah / Harton, Harbert / Deed/36/130/1827
Baber, Susan / / Contract/105/147/1916
Baber, Susan M. / Wells, John M. / Deed/103/230/1916
Baber, W. G. / Shiver, A.F. / Deed/61/99/1887
Baber, W.O. / Freeman, Mrs. M.A. / Deed/74/716/1900
Baber, Wiliam / Carson, James W. / Shf D/34/198/1823
Baber, William / Carson, James W. / Shf D/34/176/1823
Baber,John / Morrow, George / / 24-26/441/1811
1820 Hyde couty, NC Census
Collens, Suzanah (listed as widow over 45 years old)
Gibbs, Benj’n.
Gibbs, Jesse
Mackey, Easter
Chance, Jerimiah
Gibbs, Stephen
Gibbs, Debitha
Barber, Jinny
Hill, Wm.
all Neighbors
also living on up from them was:
Barber, Elizabeth
Midgett, Sam
etc etc
All above Barbers, Collins, Chance, Mackey…..all listed as free persons of color.
Not that much further away was
Collens, Abijah
Collens, Charity
Gibbs, Rutha
Gibbs, Washington
All them Collins was Free person of color also.
The mattamuskeet documents of Hyde county, NC:
Little has survived in the records concerning the Mattamuskeets from 1761 to 1792. Rev. Alexander Stewart visited the Mattamuskeets in 1761 and 1763, and left brief accounts of his visits. Stewart reported after his 1761 visit that the Mattamuskeets were residing with a few Roanoke and Hatteras Indians who had moved to their area. He notes the baptismal of two men, three women, and two children during that visit. Stewart established a school at Mattamuskeet when he returned in 1763. He baptized six adults and fifteen children at that time. Stewart remarked that the Indians at Mattamuskeet had mixed with whites, but did not indicate whether this mixture was residential or racial (Johnson 1972, 213).
The Mattamuskeets were, as indicated previously, joined by Indians from Roanoke and Hatteras Island by 1761. The names of these individuals were not identified on any of the extant deeds. This could mean the Indians from those areas moved to the Mattamuskeet area at a period later than that covered by the available records. Individuals with Mattamuskeet surnames do not occur in the Hyde County Records from 1761 to 1792. In fact, there is reference to only a single Indian during that time. This reference appeared in the Hyde County Court Minutes of 1765. It called for William Gibbs to show cause why an Indian woman named Cati Collins should not be set free. It is not clear from the reference whether William Gibbs was holding Cati Collins as an apprentice or a slave. The outcome of the show cause order could not be determined due to a break in the County Court Minutes from 1765 to 1767 (see appendix 35). Cati Collins may have been a member of one of the groups that moved to the area from Roanoke and Hatteras Islands.
This document is particularly significant since the Collins family’s later history closely paralleled that of the individuals with Mattamuskeet surnames. Also, the Collins descendants now residing in Hyde County are thought to be of at least partially Indian descent.
Benjamin and Mary Jane Mackey had two sons and three daughters aged one to seven years by 1860 (Federal Census, 1″0’60), but the 1870 census listed only two daughters remaining in the household (Federal Census, 1870). Napoleon Mackey’s grandmother was Clarissa Mackey and his grandfather was Washington Hearse. Nothing could be determined from the Hyde County Records concerning Washington Hearse. Napoleon Mackey’s parents were Benjamin J. Mackey and Laura Lu Mackey. Laura Lu Mackey was the daughter of Henry Barber and Hettie Mackey (Hyde County Marriage Records). Napoleon Mackey married Geneva Burrus in 1921. His wife apparently has no claim to Indian ancestry. Napoleon Mackey, when interviewed in 1975, asserted his knowledge of his Indian ancestry, and named several other Hyde County families which he believed could also claim at least partial Indian descent. Prominant among those were the Collins, Barber, Chance, Clayton and Bryant families (Napoleon Mackey 1975).
Settlement pressure by whites was the greatest problem that the Indians at Mattamuskeet faced after the Tuscarora War. King Squires and King Mackey of Mattamuskeet requested that their lands be surveyed and conveyed as a formal grant to the group in 1724. The Colonial Council concurred with this request, and ordered the surveyor general to survey a four mile square area for the reservation (Johnson 1972, 212). The land grant was not formally approved by the Council until 1 April 1727, and it is apparent from the wording of the grant that the reservation had not been surveyed as ordered by the Council (see appendices 3 and 4).
27 Sept 1728
Sir:
The 27th of September John Carter brought Negro Cofey to my house, as he says, by your orders, for me to examine concerning what the Saponys have told him about the white people, which I have done, and he tells me:
that Great George told him that John Sauano and a fellow called Ben Harrison was gone to the Cotobers to fetch one hundred of them to come and see why their Indians was put in prison,
and if Capt. Tom was hanged they would carry their wives and children over the Roanoke River and then they would drive the white people and negros as far as James River,
and he says that Tony Mack told him that if Pyah was hanged he and the Cotobers would come and take revenge of the English,
and he says that Sapony Tom told him if his son Harry Erwin was hanged they would kill you and three or four more Gentlemen and then go off,
and he says that Dick told him that we had no business to come to the fort armed to concern ourselves about their killing one another, but we were like a sow that had lost her pigs would rally for a little time and then have done *, but when they began a war with the English they never would have done *.
This from your humble servant to command,
Thomas Avent
The original document is held by the Virginia Historical Society, Richmond, VA and will give you a copy of the original.
http://aventfamily.org/taveltr.htm
Tony Mack is Tony Mackey.
In 1730, “William Bohannon came into court and made oath that about twenty-six of the Sapony Indians that inhabit Colonel Spotswood’s land in Fox’s neck go about and do a great deal of mischief by firing the woods; more especially on the 17th day of April last whereby several farrows of pigs were burnt in their beds, and that he verily believes that one of the Indians shot at him the same day, the bullet entering a tree within four feet of him; that he saw the Indian about one hundred yards from him, and no game of any sort between them; that the Indian after firing his gun stood in a stooping manner very studdy [steady] so that he could hardly discern him from a stump, that he has lost more of his pigs than usual since the coming of the said Indians; which is ordered to be certified to the General Assembly. ” Orange county VA
1742 “”Alexander Machartoon, John Bowling, Manicassa, Capt. Tom, Isaac, Harry,
Blind Tom, Foolish Jack, Charles Griffin, John Collins, Little Jack. Indians
being brought before the court by precept under the hands and seals of Wm
Russell & Edward Spencer, Gent. for terrifying one Lawrence Strother and on
suspicion of stealing hoggs……..”
” The above put up security individually. It was ordered that their guns be
taken from them till they are ready to depart out of this county, “they
having declared their intentions to the Court to depart this colony within a
week” (Orange Co..VA Order Book 3 1741-1743. 309) Orange Co Va Microfilm Reel
31, Va
http://www.jgoins.com/old_thomas_collins.htm
Orange County [Virginia] Register of Deeds
1741-1743 Order Book 3:308-309. Orange, Virginia.
1742. Sundry Indians, among them Manincassa, Captain Tom, Blind Tom, Foolish Zack, and Little Zack, were before Court for “terrifying” one Lawrence Strother, who testified that one of them shot at him, that they tried to surround him, that he turned his horse and rid off, but they gained on him till he crossed the run. Ordered, that the Indians be taken into custody by the sheriff until they give peace bonds with security, and that their guns be taken from them until they are ready to depart out of this Colony, they having declared their intention to depart within a week. They gave bond.
VMHB III:190
I should also mention that in 1790 rutherford…there was Bollings living there also.
1790 B450 BOLIN Layney M-637 007 119 01 00 01 00 00
Anyway…..let’s go back to where Susanna Collins’ son went to church….the Zion Church.
from the
SELECTED HISTORY OF THE UPCOUNTRY OF SOUTH CAROLINA :
Originally much of the area of present northwestern South Carolina, was known as Cherokee land. In fact, the lower Cherokee nation was centered in this territory. The capital village of the lower Cherokee nation was known as Keowee (from which we get the name Keowee River — and now Keowee Lake). When Lake Keowee was built in the nineteen sixties, the area where this village was located was flooded. The Keowee River is the boundary between present Pickens and Oconee counties of the Upstate. Present Greenville County was definitely part of the lower Cherokee nation. The area of present Spartanburg County, belonged to the Cherokees as well but served mostly as a buffer between the Catabaw Indians and the Cherokees.
William Foster, or Major “Billie”, as he was called, moved to the Upcountry in 1791 from Amelia county, Virginia, and settled a mile or so east of Mt. Zion Baptist Church, which was near Fort Prince in the Spartanburg District.
(Note: we will stop right there for a minute…..did the Saponi and Catawba visit each other….yes thereis stacks of documents to back that up).
In August of 1766, Charles Woodmason became an itinerant minister for the Anglican Church (Church of England) to the Carolina Backcountry. He kept a journal of some of the years of his ministry. He was originally from the London area of England; came to South Carolina and was a planter and merchant; and then returned to England to be ordained prior to returning to the Colony to begin his ministry. In his journal, he described the living conditions of the people living in the Upcountry as follows: “In all these excursions, I am obliged to carry my own Necessaries with me – as Bisket – Cheese – a Pint of Rum – Some Sugar – Chocolate – Tea, or Coffee – With Cups Knife Spoon Plate Towels and Linen. So that I go always heavy loaded like a trooper. If I did not, I should starve. Never will I be out again from home for a month together to take the Chance of things — As in many places have nought but a Gourd to drink out of; Not a plate knive or Spoon, a Glass, Cup, or any thing — It is well if they can get some body linen, and some have not even that. They are so burthen’d with Young Children, that the Women cannot attend both House and Field — And many live by hunting, and killing Deer — There’s not a Cabin but has 10 or 12 Young Children in it — When the boys are 18 and girls 14 they marry — so that in many cabins you will see 10 or 15 Children. Children and Grand Children of one Size….blah blah blah
The men with only a thin shirt and pair of Breeches or Trousers on — barelegged and barefooted — The Women bareheaded, barelegged and barefoot with only a thin Shift and under Petticoat — Yet I cannot break them of this — for the heat of the Weather admits not any but thin Cloathing — I can hardly bear the weight of Whig and Gown, during service. The Young Women have a most uncommon Practise, which I cannot break them off. They draw their Shift as tight as possible to the Body, and pin it close, to shew the fineness of their Breasts, and slender waists (for they are generally fine shaped) and draw their Petticoat close to their Hips to shew the firmness of their limbs — so that they might as well be in Puri Naturalibus — Indeed Nakedness is not censurable or indecent here, and they expose themselves often quite naked, without Ceremony — Rubbing themselves and their Hair with Bears Oil and tying it up behind in a bunch like Indians — being hardly one degree removed from them.”
Charles Woodmason
1766
Mt.Zion church of Spartanburg, SC
How far down the rabbit hole you want to go Don……or how far are you willing to go lol It’s not called rewriting history when a person quotes from historical records found at any national archives building.
1699 Bear river tribe articles of agreement.
Signed on be half of the tribe by.
George Fisher, Captain Gibbs, and Lewis Vandermullen.
http://www.coastalcarolinaindians.com/research/Bay_River_Indians.htm
Bear River tribe was later incorped into the Hyde county, NC Machapunga tribe and thus given the name Mattamuskeet.
Handbook of American Indians, 1906
Hatteras. An Algonquian tribe living in 1701 on the sand banks of Cape Hatteras, N. C. east of Pamlico sound, and frequenting Roanoke Island. Their single village, Sandbanks, had them only about 80 inhabitants. They showed traces of white blood and claimed that some of their ancestors were white. They may have been identical with the Croatan Indians with whom Raleigh’s colonists at Roanoke Island are supposed to have taken refuge.
Did the Saponi also speak algonkian….yes…..after their return from North Carolina they was speaking both Siouan and Algonkian.
The word list of the Saponi reservation after the Saponi returned to Virginia from Bertie county, nc’s area as they was recorded by fountain.
breeches, lonoughte Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
brother, ohenopse Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
coat, opockhe Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
come here, kihoe Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
come to bed, conopanan Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
eight, massons Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
eighteen, [os massons] Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
eleven, os nacout Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
fifteen, [os prance] Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
five, prance Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
four, jow Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
fourteen, [os jow] Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
gun, mikta Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
hat, apato bokso Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
how d’ye do?, jog de log Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
I am going to be sured(?), joquahingnomotsonan Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
I thank you sir, ketemaghketersinaw Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
is this the way to the horse head, hodke tock ire chunkete posse Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
my dear wife, mihu mima mikito Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
my service to you queen, kenepaskiniwiky Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
nine, ketaugh Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
nineteen, [os ketaugh] Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
no, metaugh Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
one, nacout Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
otter, mosnukhe Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
powder, mahinkt Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
powder horn, tabike Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
presently, inking Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
seven, tappons Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
seventeen, [os tappons] Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
shirt, opockhe hassa Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
shoes, agohele Saponi (Fontaine 1716), makasoons Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
shot, mankey Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
shot bag, miktoke Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
six, quiock Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
sixteen, [os quiock] Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
snake, moka Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
stay, monotisnock Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
stockings, honis Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
sun, the , my Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
sword, impough Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
ten, metough Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
thirteen, [os nos] Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
three, nos Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
twelve, [os tock] Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
twenty, takabosque Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
two, tock Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
water, money Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
what you please, ikiron Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
wig, machneto dufas Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
will you kiss me?, ke ly pomerin Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
yes, keneha Saponi (Fontaine 1716).
you are very welcome, mecouremechin Saponi (Fontaine 1716)
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