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TECHTEACH said I should post this on the geneology section so that Bill Childs could see it.
Hi Linda, I finally had the courage to post online. I am the one that sent you “Grandma’s song”posted in this message thread 7/12/2003. My family lived in Fayette County, Bullskin Township near Indian Head Pennsylvania. My GGGrandmother handed down that she was Kentucky Blackfoot. My family says this area of Pennsylvania was where the 7 nations came together. I have not found any information on her except for the 1900 census in PA. Her name is Mollie (Pollie)Burket married to John Adams(Irish).
This is the 1900 list I found in PA:
125 125 Adams John Head W M Apr 1859 41 M 20 Carpenter
My GGGrandmother (Burket) Adams Mollie Wife W F July 1859 40 M 20 11 9 Pennsylvania
– My Great Grandmother Adams Nora Daughter W F May 1883 17 S Pennsylvania
Adams George Son W M Sep 1886 13 S Pennsylvania
Adams Samuel Son W M Apr 1888 12 S Pennsylvania
Adams Cheri Daughter W F July 1890 9 S Pennsylvania
Adams Jennie Daughter W F Nov 1892 7 S Pennsylvania
Can anyone tell me or direct me to her family? Or does anyone recognize the words to her song? I have been singing this song for years and really would like to know what I am singing.
Glad to see you here, Vivian. Sorry I forgot to post this stuff for you, but you’ve done it much better.
Here’s the link again to Vivian’s grandma’s song?
http://www.saponitown.com/grandmasong.wav
Vivian,
I sent the wav file to my music major son, asking him if he thought that this might be a possible thesis topic and asking him if there was anyone at his college who might be interested. He thought it a good research question (although he speaks only from the background of the BA music major and doing a senior research paper) but no one at his college would have the background. He wondered if there was more. He thought that the short wav was too short to make a legitimate study. I disagreed here. He was speaking from a music background without the anthropological supporting information of all the stories and background that can be gathered from other sources. However, he asked if there was more. Is there? Are there more lines? If so, if you can directly send a file or a longer version via email, that would be helpful as I see if I can find someone interested in doing the research. Do not want to make promises though, not my field.
Cindy
Cindy, I am sorry, but that is all my Grandmother Rosella taught me. She never knew what the words were either but she sang it when she was working. It is a wonderful idea to use it as a thesis project but you would really have to have some excellent resources to put it together, good luck with it. I appreciate the interest you have show, maybe we can connect a lot of things with Grandma Mollie’s Song.
Hello Vivian,
I’d suggest that you put down the words the way that you hear them.
I had a look at the file and wrote it down the way I hear the words but that may be different from the way you do, next compare the sounds to the Tutelo and I think that you’ll come up with something.
I thought that it may have been a Cherokee verse but now Iam not so sure.
I had discovered a word in my family that when I asked cherokee friends they new it right off a word directly from the lady who’s picture is posted in “Tom’s Family”
I know that somewhere you’ll find the answer, you just have to look, you may also want to contact the person that did the thesis.
All the Best, Tom.
Hi, Vivian,
Since John and Mollie Adams lived in Bullskin Twp in 1900, I looked on the 1880 Fayette Co census in Bullskin Twp and found only one Berket/Burket:
p.44D, at 401, 401:
John H. Berket, 84, b.Pa; fa.b.Wirtemberg (Ger), mo.b.Ireland.
Sarah, wife, 68, Pa, Pa, Pa.
Robert, son, 19, Pa.
Paul, son, 16, Pa.
(Sarah may be John Berket’s wife, but may not be the mother of these children due to her age, but it happens. Mollie/Polly was not there.)
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John Adams’ family is on p.39A:
William Adams, 49, b.Pa; fa.b.Ireland; mo.b.Md.
Sarah A., wife, 49, Pa.
JOHN H., son, 22, Pa.****
Laura B., dau, 12, Pa.
Maria, dau, 10, Pa.
James Boyd, nephew, 10, Pa.
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Both Mollie and Polly are nicknames,
1870 Fayette Co., Pa Census, Bullskin Twp, P.O: Pennsville, Pa,
p.29B, 4 June (?), at 37, 35 :
John Birket, 75, m, Domes. Servant, Pa.
Sarah, 57, f, Pa.
Elisa, 13, f, Pa.
POLLY, 11, f, Pa. (prob. “Mollie”?)****
Robert, 8, m, Pa.
Paul, 6, m, Pa.
This is the only Burket/Berket/Birket family here.
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p.28, at 20, 20:
William Adams, 39, m, Pa.
Sarah, 39, f, Pa.
Mary J., 21, f, Pa.
Ruth A., 19, f, Pa.
Harriette, 17, f, Pa.
Elizabeth, 14, f, Pa
JOHN H., 12, m, Pa.
Julia, 2, f, Pa.
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1860 Fayette Co., Pa Census
German Twp, p.159, 26 July, at 187, 185:
Wm. Adams, 31, m, Pa.
Sarah, 29, f, Pa.
Mary, 11, f, Pa.
Ruth, 9, f, Pa.
Harriet, 7, f, Pa.
Sarah, 5, f, Pa.
JOHN, 2, m, Pa.****
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John Berket/Burket was not in Bullskin nor German Twp in 1860 and is not indexed anywhere that I can find. However, in German Twp in 1860, p.147, at 10, 10 :
Jacob Berket, 42, m, Pa.
Elizabeth Pall, 45, f, Pa.
Mary Ingram, 41, f, Pa.
Mary Ingram, 17, f, Pa.
Benjamin Ingram, 10, m, Pa.
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Can you think of anywhere else Mollie may have been?
Bill
Thank you Bill for looking into my problem. I feel like I was visited by Santa. The only other information I have on her is that she called herself “Kentucky Blackfoot”. I am amazed at the depth of information you found on her and my GGGrandfather. I am trying to find other Adams family and see if I can get anymore information and will post as soon as I can contact anyone. Thank you again!
Well, I don’t think I’ve found much here and “Polly” may not be your Mollie but I’ve seen “Mollie” as a nickname for Mary just as “Polly” is. This “Polly” in 1870, is about the right age for Mollie (1900 Census month/yr of birth).
I’ve found some more Burkets in 1880 Fayette Co but none of them have a Mollie, either. As rare as this surname is in these time periods, it should be easier to find them unless there’s another spelling variation that hasn’t ocurred to me yet. Hope you can come up with more info from relatives.
Bill
Vivian and Bill:
Given that this was so close in location to my folks, I checked my genealogy. There is an Adams listed in the obituary for one of the Huston descendents. The first name is Elizabeth. Her mother was a Streets before marriage and was born in Licking County, Ohio. All the daughters appear to have married into other names that I recognize as part of this whole Licking County group, although they are not names that you checked on, Bill – Streets, Edwards, Pritcher and Clark – a great granddaughter of Andrew Huston and gggrandaughter of Regnald Green. I saw all these names in the Hickory Grove cemetery in Emeline, IA and they are on my Green genealogy. Not sure if this is of any use or not, but Elizabeth Adams then lived very near this cemetery, in Farmer’s Creek, IA. If this is of any use…
Cindy
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