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Does anyone have access to indian surnames from the Clarksville area? My great gr gr grandfather’s name was Ban ( Banaster or Banister) Smith. According to our verbal family history, he lived in the backwoods and was occaneechi.
I found him on Bluestone, Mecklenburg county census. He had other children besides my gr grgrandfather, Moses Smith. I have not been able to follow him or his other family members too far on census. Also can’t verify indian status.
Geneaology help needed. I have access to ancestry.com. Indian research seems more difficult. I had thought about having my great uncle who is 89 tested. Moses was his grandfather. Ban his great grandfather. Not sure if that really works.
Michele
Michele,
a couple of questions…
Who did Moses marry and what are some of the names of their children?
Where did they live in 1900?
Do you know who Banister (jr), Leonard or Emma married and where they lived in 1900?
Moses married Josephine Pulliam. My family disputes Moses had a brother named Banister Jr, despite the census. I think that I found Emma married to someome locally, but I haven’t updated my family tree info. As far as I know they lived in the Skipwith area of Mecklenburg County. Mostly Bluestone. Josephine remarried later. I believe to Jeff Lee.
Michele
Edward Clark Smith ( my great grandfather)
I have other siblings listed, but I think my family disputes some of those too.
Mary Smith, Helen Smith, Harriett Smith.
Moses owned land in the Skipwith area. I have a copy of a deed.
Michele
PS I am looking for information living relatives Abigail Barnes, Garland Wright. All descendants of same side of family.
Good Morning,
Not sure if I am any help hear but my GG Grandfather’s Name was Henderson Smith, Sr. from the Boydton, VA (Mecklenburg Co.) area which is about 10 minutes east of Clarksville, VA.
One thing about Mecklenburg Co., VA, there are many sets of Smith families. Good luck with your search.
I have learned my GG-Grandmother Besty Bullock lived in the Bullock area near Clarksville, Virginia before she came to Granville, North Carolina. Any info to which tribe may have been there in that location. Is the Bullock area curently underwater?
Question??? Is it possible that some people pick up surnames from the town in which they come from. I have been seeing this trend with some surnames. Some people actually have a last name resembling a town. Can this be regarded as a clue to where a person might come from sometimes? i know a lot of question lol.
I passed through Bullock this afternoon, small town near the border. The Bullock name is common around here so the town thing is probably just a coincidence. I believe Highway 15 (which passes through Bullock) used to be a leg of the Great Trading Path when it ran through Clarksville, before 1676, when the Occoneechee (and various other allied Siouan tribes like the Saponi, Tutelo, Eno, etc.) controlled the regional trade.
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Linda, is there anything i can do to find her tribe? A relative from the same line Besty married into said she was most likely Occonneechi, Saponi, or catawba. Are there any rolls for those tribes?.
Just search here. We have a great deal of information amassed over the years. You can start with the home page of the site, http://www.saponitown.com. There are historical articles linked from there. This history section of this forum has many posts on this history. We need to convert the relevant ones into Wiki’s so there’ll be a proper index.
There are no rolls of the historic Occoneechee or the Saponi. They were disrupted long before any sort of institution existed that would have set up tribal rolls. It’s been a long process of piecing together the names of descendants likely tied to them. There are some state-recognized tribes like the Haliwa and the Person County Indians, the Occaneechi-Saponi and the Monacans who have demonstrated descent, though they only recognize the people within their own counties, pretty much, and aren’t providing any resources I know of to outliers like us trying to figure things out.
I have ties by marriage to Granville County Indian descendants all the way in Vernon County, WI, believe it or not.
Don’t know if its helpful, but heres some info on the Monacan, straight from the 2009 recognition bill before congress. The other tribes in this bill also have a brief history, including some genealogical information.
Note line number 3, this bill considers Occaneechi, Tutelo, and other Eastern Siouan tribes to be Monacans.
TITLE V–MONACAN INDIAN NATION
SEC. 501. FINDINGS.
Congress finds that–
(1) in 1677, the Monacan Tribe signed the Treaty of Middle Plantation between Charles II of England and 12 Indian ‘Kings and Chief Men’;
(2) in 1722, in the Treaty of Albany, Governor Spotswood negotiated to save the Virginia Indians from extinction at the hands of the Iroquois;
(3) specifically mentioned in the negotiations were the Monacan tribes of the Totero (Tutelo), Saponi, Ocheneeches (Occaneechi), Stengenocks, and Meipontskys;
(4) in 1790, the first national census recorded Benjamin Evans and Robert Johns, both ancestors of the present Monacan community, listed as ‘white’ with mulatto children;
(5) in 1782, tax records also began for those families;
(6) in 1850, the United States census recorded 29 families, mostly large, with Monacan surnames, the members of which are genealogically related to the present community;
(7) in 1870, a log structure was built at the Bear Mountain Indian Mission;
(8) in 1908, the structure became an Episcopal Mission and, as of the date of enactment of this Act, the structure is listed as a landmark on the National Register of Historic Places;
(9) in 1920, 304 Amherst Indians were identified in the United States census;
(10) from 1930 through 1931, numerous letters from Monacans to the Bureau of the Census resulted from the decision of Dr. Walter Plecker, former head of the Bureau of Vital Statistics of the Commonwealth of Virginia, not to allow Indians to register as Indians for the 1930 census;
(11) the Monacans eventually succeeded in being allowed to claim their race, albeit with an asterisk attached to a note from Dr. Plecker stating that there were no Indians in Virginia;
(12) in 1947, D’Arcy McNickle, a Salish Indian, saw some of the children at the Amherst Mission and requested that the Cherokee Agency visit them because they appeared to be Indian;
(13) that letter was forwarded to the Department of the Interior, Office of Indian Affairs, Chicago, Illinois;
(14) Chief Jarrett Blythe of the Eastern Band of Cherokee did visit the Mission and wrote that he ‘would be willing to accept these children in the Cherokee school’;
(15) in 1979, a Federal Coalition of Eastern Native Americans established the entity known as ‘Monacan Co-operative Pottery’ at the Amherst Mission;
(16) some important pieces were produced at Monacan Co-operative Pottery, including a piece that was sold to the Smithsonian Institution;
(17) the Mattaponi-Pamunkey-Monacan Consortium, established in 1981, has since been organized as a nonprofit corporation that serves as a vehicle to obtain funds for those Indian tribes from the Department of Labor under Native American programs;
(18) in 1989, the Monacan Tribe was recognized by the Commonwealth of Virginia, which enabled the Tribe to apply for grants and participate in other programs; and
(19) in 1993, the Monacan Tribe received tax-exempt status as a nonprofit corporation from the Internal Revenue Service.
Derek, you can try going to the “Share History Research” section, then at the bottom set the “Thread Display Options” for posts going back to the beginning, sorted by number of views. That will pull up the biggest, juiciest threads and see what titles interest you.
M Mal;27286 wrote: Does anyone have access to indian surnames from the Clarksville area? My great gr gr grandfather’s name was Ban ( Banaster or Banister) Smith. According to our verbal family history, he lived in the backwoods and was occaneechi.
I found him on Bluestone, Mecklenburg county census. He had other children besides my gr grgrandfather, Moses Smith. I have not been able to follow him or his other family members too far on census. Also can’t verify indian status.
Geneaology help needed. I have access to ancestry.com. Indian research seems more difficult. I had thought about having my great uncle who is 89 tested. Moses was his grandfather. Ban his great grandfather. Not sure if that really works.
Michele
What time frame are we talking about? I have a Moses Smith father of Isaac Smith father of Sarah Ellen Smith Howard mother of Lydia Howard Woolery mother of my Grandpa Orville L Woolery. Isaac was early to mid 1800’s so I would imagine Moses to be late to very early 1800’s. Isaac and rest of my family is buried in MO. Not really sure where Moses is.
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