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Thanks Vance!
I’ll check it out. I haven’t had very much luck connecting my family to the Chickasaws, but I hope that will soon change. They sure did move around a lot though. I will keep on searching the net until I can get to the Library (Allen County IN has a pretty good geneological library).
Once again thanks for your help.
Jeremy
That website doesn’t say your ancestors were Chickasaw — it only implies that your Colbert’s/Calvert’s may have a common ancestor with the Chickasaw Colbert’s. One branch of the family may have gone to the Chickasaw Nation but your branch went to Indiana. These might be 2 different branches of the same family.
The article says James Logan Colbert who went to live with trhe Chickasaw as a child might have been mixed blood and that he was probably descended from Indian Traders. By mentioning they “might be” mixed bloods there is an inferrence they might be Saponi/Tutero/Occenechee as they were living near the islands where they lived on the Dan River. Also the mention of the Calvert family was interesting as I think Bill said they were French — you said you had French blood I think.
It doesn’t prove anything, but it is an avenue that you that you might want to investigate further.
Vance
Jeremy,
Based on the 1900 census data you referred to and that I checked out, here’s the line:
1870 Williams Co., Ohio census; Superior Twp; 19 Aug; pg. 260A; at 78,78:
Colbert, Nathaniel; 62, m, W, Farming, #0,#160, Va.
…………, Barbary; 64, f, W, Va.
…………, NATHAN; 14, m, W, Ohio*******
…………, Theodosia; 22, f, W, Ohio
…………, John; 30, m, W, Ohio
(John went to Franklin Co., Iowa by 1880 census, marr’d Amelia, b.abt.1830 Ohio; had children Bertie (male) b.abt.1873 Ill; Hellie (female) b.abt.1876 Ill; Jervis, b.abt.1878 Iowa.)
(Another son of Nathaniel’s, Jesse, was in Greene Co., Iowa by the 1880 census, having married Mary _?_, b.abt. 1847 Ohio. Jesse and Mary had 6 children by 1880. The first 5 born in Ohio – the last one, Clarence, was born about 1878, in Iowa.)
I don’t have enough Ohio marriage record data to pin down who Nathaniel’s daughters married.
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1860 Seneca Co., Ohio census; Liberty Twp; P.O.: Bettsville, Oh; pg. 215A; 24 July; at 984, 972:
Nathan Colbert; 52, m, – , (no occup.),$0, $40; Va.
Barbary, 53, f, – , Va.
Sarah; 23, f, Ohio.
John; 20, m, – , farm lab’r, Ohio
Jesse; 18, m, – , farm lab’r, Ohio
Fanny; 16, f, – , Ohio
Theodocia; 12, f, – , Ohio
Jane; 10, f, – , Ohio
NATHAN; 2, m, – , Ohio *******
[No, Nathan’s age doesn’t match his year of birth recorded on the 1900 census, but it’s too close to be coincidental – the problem is that the YEAR of birth recorded for him on the 1900 Whitely Co., Ind. census is probable incorrect, making the reverse trace seem to be contradictory when it’s not, considering the big picture of there being no other Nathan/Nathaniel Colbert/Colbart (plus 2 other spelling variations) in the U.S. in this time period.]
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1850 Seneca Co., Ohio census; Liberty Twp; pg.401; 8 October; at 153, 153:
Nathaniel Colbert; 49, m, – , farmer, $0, $0, Va.
Barbara; 39, f, – , Va.
Sarah; 14, f, Ohio
John; 11, m, Ohio
Fanny; 9, f, Ohio
Ann; 8, f, Ohio (died or marr’d bef. 1860)
Theodosia; 6, f, Ohio
Rachael; 4, f, Ohio (died or marr’d bef. 1860)
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I’ll see what I can dig out of 1840 Ohio – the children’s ages indicate that they were there by then. If I find anything there, I’ll post it.
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Note: Both Raymond and his younger brother Charles, made their living as Firemen on locomotives of the Baltimore & Ohio Railroad per the 1920 census. Charles was boarding in Garrett, Ind., and was already working as a Fireman on the B&O in 1910 at age 17.
Because Charles at 17, was already “working out”, and Raymond was considered to be a “hired man” in 1910, may indicate Raymond and Charles were NOT “fostered” nor “indentured” as orphans. The point is, one of the SHIPEs may have been related.
You will probably have to do some digging in the DeKalb County courthouse records to answer that question.
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Note: Raymond’s wife Ollie’s maiden name was SHIPE [Mary R. (Eckhart) Shipe, mother-in-law, lived with them per 1930 census, and Ollie was John & Mary R. Shipe’s daughter on 1910 census when Raymond was their hired hand], but I did NOT find any record of relatedness between the Shipe’s and Colbart/Colbert’s for 3 generations previous to Raymond living with the Shipe’s, so, Raymond may have been “fostered – “indentured” as an orphan to the Shipe’s and ended up marrying their daughter, BUT, considering that Raymond and particularly Charles, were already “working out” before they were of age, makes me think that the SHIPEs may have been related in some way (maybe back in Ohio?) but I did not find anything to confirm that hypothesis.
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Note: “Dekalb County, Indiana Birth Records Index” book 2CH-21, pg. 49″ shows Raymond Colbart and Ollie (SHIPE) Colbart’s son, John R. (Richard) Colbart, was born on 14 Dec 1913.
There are a few more recent (1800-1920) marriage records on line if you want that data, but they are siblings’ records, not in your direct line, so I haven’t included them here.
Bill
Thanks Bill!
I hadn’t checked my posts on the forum for some time so i was suprised when i ran across your reply. It confirms alot of the research I have been doing. Although I haven’t been able to find anything prior to 1850.
My G-Grandmother is Mary Colbert Clifton, Raymond’s youngest child. According to her, Raymond went to live with her maternal grandfather John Shipe’s brother as a child. She also states that the family, knowing his family past, referred to him as a heathen, and their care for him as their Christian duty. Apparently under their care he was abused and forced to work like a slave. This leads me to believe they weren’t related, but that’s just an assumption on my part. I think my G-G-G grandfather John Shipe may have taken him on out of pity. Although he tried to chase Raymond away with a shotgun when he came to take Ollie to ellope. Anyway, he failed at that and now I’m here.
According to my grandmother, Raymond’s mother Rose Ragan Colbert was commited to an insane assylum following the shooting of her husband Nathan Colbert in Churubusco, Whitley Co, IN. That makes it sound like she did it, but apparently it was the discovery of his dead body that drove her over the edge. I have not had any luck confirming this story or her line. Also, she died in the 1918-1920 range. I think I found a possible Rose Colbert listed on the 1920 census in Chicago, but for some reason I think I doubted it and threw away my printoff. Strange thing is that I couldn’t find a death record on Nathan Colbert. I don’t know whether he was considered white, but I know that part of Whitley Co IN had a settlement of Native Americans. Also that the whites there were very racist. So maybe a white person shot him, dug a hole and threw him in. May never know. Interesting story nonetheless.
Thanks for all the help you’ve given.
~Jeremy
Originally posted by Bill Childs
Hi Jeremy, welcome to the forum.
Have you found your G-G-Grandfather John Raymond Colbart on any census records? If so, when and where?
Bill
Jeremy,
The Nathan Colbart that you speak of fits the knowledge of a direct ancestor of ours who was shot. We know he was shot because he was a “half-bred” Indian. My husband’s family has a lot of Indian in their blood of which some of the physical traits are obvious. I had no idea of the horse trade, though. Very interesting.
Welcome to the Forum, Corbarttl,
It sounds like you might have some more recent information that might benefit Jeremy and maybe we can help you a bit, too.
On another note, I’m always extremely curious of the personal stories of what brings people to this site. Would you share with us what you know of your family’s Indian story that brought you here?
Bill
Evening, Bill.
Please, call me Trisha or Trish (I reply to either).
I stumbled upon your site, via Yahoo search, because I couldn’t find anything beyond a questionable Nathan COLBART, while doing some genealogy. I have 2 name spelling changes in my families that I know of and wanted to research the families as a hobby. (COLBART/COLBERT and my maidan name of HAMON/HAMMON/HAMMOND) I really just started with genealogy just this past week and already have 6 generations back! (Yay me!)
As I’m learning, the COLBART/COLBERT change happened quiet recently, which may conclude as to why I’m not finding much on COLBART. I can give you recent Colbart’s, yes, as I have boys of my own. As far as any Indian heritage, my FIL can only tell me of a story he knew as a child having a relative of his being shot because he was born 1/2 Indian. They may have more information on that, I’ll have to ask. But I know they don’t know any names and/or reasons as to what lead up to his death.
I will also say my in-law’s are aware of family living in Indiana area, but are not sure as to who they are. (As they are from NW Ohio, Williams Co, to be exact.) So, thanks for the invite, I hope to find loads of information. And, if you ever need anything- feel free to ask!
Trisha, thanks,
Of course, Williams Co., Ohio, would ring a bell. The combination of surname, geography & Google explains it. ‘Guess it’s not that complicated.
Hammon rings a bell or two, too. Do you have any HENDRICKS /Hendrix cousins?
In what area of the country do you live?
It’s great that you were able to get 6 generations so quickly!
We have a saying relating to that …… paraphrased:
The Indians are in the 7th generation.
Bill
Morning.
Bill, I too live in Williams Co. As do all of the COLBART’s, I know as family.
I’m originally from Eastern Ohio though. Mahoning Co., Ohio to be exact. All I know of my family there, HAMON, is that a majority of them came from Hopewell WV. I was talking to my Gramma last night and she said that “that” part of the family didn’t keep track very well on family. Joy… But do know a G-G-Grandpa made his way back to Germany to be with a brother, after selling farm land to Goodyear in… Akron? Canton? I don’t remember that one. But, I believe a lot of family to be in Germany.
Hendrixs/Hendrix, doesn’t ring a bell off the top of my head. But then again haven’t done much of maternal genealogy research, aside from MANKIN, on my dad’s side. My aunt has introduced me to this, and I know she’s got a lot on my mom’s side.
Trish
Trisha,
The Colbart descendents living in Indiana are from my G -Grandmother Mary LeOris Colbart Clifton. We maintained contact with many of the Ohio Colbart’s until shortly after the death of my Grandmother’s brother Dick Colbart. My grandmother still talks with his wife Francis occasionally. I assume I am speaking of your husbands relatives. If I am, nice to meet you cousin. If not…excuse my rambling.
~Jeremy
Also Trish–
Grandpa Raymond made his living trading things. He wasn’t much of a farmer as some have been lead to believe. He moved something like 53 times in his marriage to Grandma Colbert from house to house, sometimes only a few doors down. Whenever I take my Grandmother for a car ride, she’ll tell me “ohh, Grandpa Colbert lived there once.”
I know from a census record that Nathan Colbart worked in a saw mill. This is also confirmed by a story my grandfather told me as a child that they lived in a tent and that he did something at the sawmill. I also learned from relatives that he was shot in Churubusco, Whitley Co, Indiana which had a Native American settlement at the time. I wasn’t able to find a death record or even discover where he is buried. Apparently he was shot in some type of fight relating to a trade gone bad. Sometimes the story is told with a bar fight thrown in. Hard to tell. Fact or fiction? You find out and let me know.
Have fun with geneology–it is a journey that can easily become an addiction. Colbart geneology is interesting, at least their oral legends are, but getting it down on paper is frustrating to say the least.
~Jeremy
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