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TOM,
You see? I didn’t know that! Thank you so much! Had any chokecherry jelly yet this year? I didn’t! I got busy and missed them, again. If I find some somewhere, I’ll by some. Love & Light, Lynella.:) 🙂
Cikala-mato, can you tell me Lakota for “waterfall?”
My friend dreamed someone telling her this word and the translation in Tutelo, but she woke up only remembering “moni” as the first part of the word. Maybe the Lakota will also be similar and jog her memory.
Tom,
The meuseums were a bust! I am so dissapointed. First we went to the history and science meuseum and they had some big la-tee-da about ancient Egypt. The place was packed with people neither one of us wanted to stand there in line forever. We desided we’d go beck there on a Tuesday or something. Then we went to the Art Meuseum, they had a lot of really beautifull stuff, but there was absolutely nothing I was hoping to find. The only Southeastern Indian items they had were mostly Cherokee. So, so much for that! I’m bummered, but hey, it might snow! Love & Light, Lynella.;)
Originally posted by cikala-mato
Ma’gaju-Cek’an;
News, Here is what Bear Cub tells me of your name as you first gave it to me.
Minne ( Lakota =Mni) = Water
Ahtah = Father
C’etan = Hawk
By that I get Water Father Hawk, Or Father Water Hawk, Or a spiritual name of Rain Hawk. So If you take that Rain is the Father water, as it give’s back to Mother Earth. Than I would guess that it seem’s natural.
Like I said earlier, Not everything in Lakota can be written into the English as a direct translation. As I translated your name to Magaju Cekan, the english who had a basic lakota dictionary could translate the name. Provided they could understand the nasail and non nasail tones and the workings of the language to form sentences. Like other forgein sentences, often the words may seem backwards in english. An example would be German, Tag vegates. or Good Day, but the direct translation would be Day, very good. I think the same is the rule for Lakota. Often you must know the meaning of the speaker before you could understand the words that they are speaking. Older Lakota seem to talk in native tongue in old ways and direct translations would fit into the group of words spoken in second meaning’s.
Good luck to you in learning the language, It is very difficult for me and even harder before I had Bear Cub to help me. It’s one thing to read the words, It’s totally another to know the meanings. A simple word Ho, meaning skin or rolled with pressed breath H’o meaning to bury someone. Sure alot of differance between the two, yet to the unaware reader they could be the same work.
w’owahwa
Cik’ala-Mat’o
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Cikalo-Mato, thanks for your input. It always blows me away to hear Lakota words, then find their equivalent in Tutelo. Quite often it’s exactly equivalent.
At’e = father in Tutelo
moni = water in Tutelo
pila huc = thank you in Tutelo
a’ti = house
I wish I had my Tutelo Dictionary unpacked yet. (I just moved.) I’d look up some more words.
Tutelo is the only one of the VA/NC Siouan tribes whose words were written down before the language died, though there are those who say it’s not so dead. A friend told me there were two elderly sisters in eastern Canada who still speak it. Then I heard the story corroborated from an entirely different source — a linguist, which I would presume to mean linguists are working with these ladies to preserve more of the language.
If you’d like I can email you some pictures of a reconstructed dress from a 1620’s VA Siouan lady. It’s amazing how similar it is to western Sioux dress. Some say we all are separated by not more than a millenia. That’s not very long at all, when you think about it. That would mean that right many of the elements of culture of our supposedly long-extinct culture are not nearly as unknowable as we thought.
We’re working on it!
I had a question about Mona Hena.
I went to reference my use of Mona Hena as Mother Earth and in the Tutelo-Saponi dictionary I found -hi:na: , -ho:ni: which is mother and I found ama: which is Earth.
I then remembered a conversation I had with Richard Haithcock about the opening words in Saponi that he gave in his book “The Mosopelea Ofo Aganatchi The Ohio River Valley Sioux And The Siouan Monacan Mannahoac And The Siouan Piedmont Catawba Of The Virginia Carolina Piedmont” published April 20,1999. On page 1 the words Mona Hena is used. I was asking him about the use of Ama Hina as Mother Earth from the dictionary and he corrected me that it was Mona Hena. I am not sure what source he was utilizing but I was told that he goes to the Tutelo alot. That was way back in 1999 that I asked him about it.
Can you tell me if this is correct?
If you mean the descendants of the Tutelo adopted by the Cayuga, I don’t believe any of them speak Tutelo. I heard a report that there were two elderly sisters who still spoke it, and presumably they are being studied. My language books are still packed away, so I can’t tell you any more than I have.
Tom wrote: Here’s something that I found on the web at http://www.ibiblio.org/dig/html/report41b.html.
The one quote that is very interesting is as follows, keep in mind that Tutelo necklace.
” Piedmont inhabitants were no less selective in the European wares they did purchase. To the dismay, the colonial trader learned that Indians would not accept every item he happened to have on hand. Dark blue cloth sold best, as did larger hoes and smaller glass beads. But not just any beads:villages west of Virginia wanted blue and red ones, those to the south, black and white (Trinling 1997:30,40,57,64; Ewan and Ewan 1971:385). Why? The colonists either did not know or did not say. He knew only that such idiosyncrasies could spell the difference between profit and loss.
Something to digest!
ps this also was the case with cloth colours aswell, really interesting and some palce to start when making choices for your next dress or long shirt.
Came across one of Tom’s posts (miss you Tom:()…thought this was very interesting.
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