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The part about place names was at least partly relevant to genealogy. Collins can’t be blamed if his thread was hijacked by us elderly types. We have good days and bad days.
Sorry I got my fruit names mixed up. I always get scuppernongs, may pops, and muscadines, etc. mixed up. I just remembered the part about the scuppernong being a small fruit and thought it an interesting note to add, lol. It is fascinating though the wild food stuffs and their names. We had a lot of wild grapes growing down here in the North Texas area. Out by where I grew up we used to swing across Walnut Creek on the grapevines. Then there were these horrible black grapes that were very acrid almost alum like.
That is wonderful about the Carter Cemetery. I wondered about the place names and if they had a concentration of the people thusly named after. I’m checking into locating an island called Collins/Collinen/Collinson Island that was located in the Wilkes County, GA area. I have a Waters ancestor that owned part of that island way back in the 1770’s and early part of the 1780’s as part of a land grant.
It is also interesting that some of these locations named above list places that the Saponi stopped off at or went to for medicinal reasons. I wonder if this entry,
Pg. 457
(The North Carolina Gazetteer by William Stevens Powell 1968 Chapel Hill)
“Sleepy Creek rises in south Wayne County and flows northeast into the Neuse River. Saponi Indians lived along its banks and many arrowheads and artifacts have been found here. Tradition says that the Indians believed the waters of the creek had medicinal values. Sick Indians came to drink the water and later would lie along the creek banks to sleep, hence the name.”,
could be a special site to the Saponi people since they may have used it as a medicinal place of rest.
It may be a good tool to map out some of these places like this to see if there is any kind of pattern to settlements or places the Saponi frequented and the genealogy of the descendents to see if any match occurs. I think the Sappony are located in Vance County or is it another county?
It may be a good tool to map out some of these places like this to see if there is any kind of pattern to settlements or places the Saponi frequented and the genealogy of the descendents to see if any match occurs.
One earlier thread at which we made a stab at that is:
http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=2300
See especially post #13 there, and the ones that follow it. Those are mostly in Virginia, and your immediate source here has been a North Carolina gazetteer, but it’s the same crowd. Also in Georgia and South Carolina — the latter, especially, when some of them more or less took refuge with the Catawbas. I still like Forest Hazel’s essay on enclaves, though I hope he will revise it. I believe it’s no longer accessible off the Saponitown start page, but it’s in the background reading on the UNC archaeology site at
You might also search the forums on “Briceland” and see the various place I have plugged his book… most would not be in the Share Genealogy forum.
I posted this elsewhere today. It may be of interest to people drawn to this topic. Here is the link to a Saponitown page where knowledgable members here guide a new member on tying her heritage to geographical locations utilizing trading path locations and migration and new settlement patterns and places identified down the page. It is a good background lesson.
http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=15276#post1527
collins wrote: I was wondering if by following creeks, rivers, lakes, and place names if that may aid in following a migration path of a given name?
Thanks
Scott,
I believe this is indicative of certain families….I mean, I believe these rivers were important to our ancestors lives. Mine have lived around the New river area for the last…150+ years. Yes, I do believe we can use these rivers to trace our familes…Mine seem to always have been on a river, from VA to NC to KY and back to VA and finally WV. My grandmother always had a fishing pole in hand…:)
I found this fascinating. See the name of this island. Although this is Yamasee and Creek territory it fascinated me that they used a name for this Island that is so simular to Saponi.
It says this Island belonged to the Guale Nation and Cusabo/Yamasee Indians. Some of this history indicates a partnership with the Catawba during the Yamasee War.
Sapelo Island
“Sapelo Island was the province of Guale nation. Sapelo witnessed the territorial struggles between the Spanish, French and British and was eventually bought from half Indian princess Mary Musgrove by the British crown.” by NERRS (see link below)
http://nerrs.noaa.gov/SapeloIsland/History.html
http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0002-7294(196008)2%3A62%3A4%3C681%3ATYASES%3E2.0.CO%3B2-9
http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/georgia/gualeindianhist.htm
http://www.sapelonerr.org/historymaps.htm
Collins,
I saw that too in trying to find your Island. Wonder if it wasn’t an island of the Savannah River. I read something interesting on the states of Ga and Sc legally disputing who owned certain islands.
I’m looking into the geography too as to place names, etc.
I know the Allen clan was on the Chickahominy River in New Kent co in early deeds prior to 1700 and later on the Haw River and also Castle Creek in Caswell co and in Person. Later in Ky on Hammonds Creek, Anderson co Ky. My Osborn line is back to the Ohio River in Marietta Ohio C1820? Never got back any farther on that line. Or Marshall either. I never realized there was a Chief Elkhart of the Shawnee until yesterday. Some say this town is named for him. Some say that Elkhart is named for the Elk’s Heart, the shape of the Island downtown, Island Park. Surrounded by the St. Joseph and Elkhart rivers. My grandmother grew up near Vernon Indiana on the Muscatatuck river. My father always had to be near water. He built a cottage, very rustic, on Sand Lake when it wasn’t so developed in Nottawa, Michigan. Now……..
Now NOTTAWA? That’s interesting for Michigan. St. Joseph co Mi.
The town of Mishawaka, next door to Elkhart, is the name of the daughter of Chief Elkhart. Anyhow, I have linked some distant family from Johnson co Ky to Johnson co Indiana. Brothers living in same time frame in those two separate places. Seemed interesting and not just a mere coincidence. Saj
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