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Another interesting fact is that in 1760 the Catawaba tribe of york county SC was given 15 miles of land….but by 1820 only 1 mile was left….and the surveyor stated that most of the Catawba was unaccountable for and that apprently the area had become unlivable for the catawba due to only 1 mile of their land being left thus they went elsewhere.
We also know that in Orange county NC there was Catawba and Saponi living together. We also know they was goin back and forth between Saponi land in NC/VA and Catawba land in SC.
A little history on the Catawba
Adair, 75 years after Lawson’s visit, says that one of the ancient cleared fields of the tribe extended 7 miles, besides which they had several smaller village sites. In 1728 they still had 6 villages, all on Catawba river, within a stretch of 20 miles, the most northern being named Nauvasa. Their principal village was formerly on the west side of the river, in what is now York County, S. C., opposite the mouth of Sugar creek.
In 1763 they had confirmed to them a reservation, assigned a few years before, of 15 miles square, on both sides of Catawba river, within the present York and Lancaster Counties., S. C. On the approach of the British troops in 1780 the Catawba withdrew temporarily into Virginia, but returned after the battle of Guilford Court House, and established themselves in 2 villages on the reservation, known respectively as Newton, the principal village, and Turkey Head, on opposite sides of Catawba River.
In 1826 nearly the whole of their reservation was leased to whites for a few thousand dollars, on which the few survivors chiefly depended. About 1841 they sold to the state all but a single square mile, on which they now reside. About the same time a number of the Catawba, dissatisfied with their condition among the whites, removed to the eastern Cherokee in western North Carolina, but finding their position among their old enemies equally unpleasant, all but one or two soon went back again. An old woman, the last survivor of this emigration, died among the Cherokee in 1889. A few other Cherokee are now intermarried with that tribe. At a later period some Catawba removed to the Choctaw Nation in Indian Territory and settled near Scullyville, but are said to be now extinct. About 1884 several became converts of Mormon missionaries in South Carolina and went with them to Salt Lake City, Utah.
Handbook of American Indians, 1906
Here is a link that shows the history of Rutherford county…where Drury dobbins went after leaving York county.
http://www.hickorynutgorgenews.com/History.html
Another interesting fact….The Sara (Saraw, Saura, Suali, Sualy, Charaw, Charraw, etc ) indians which joined the catawba and has been found to have been living in Hillsborough Orange county nc….They may have been encountered by De Soto in present-day Henderson, Polk, and Rutherford counties in North Carolina in 1540. In 1600, they may have numbered 1,200. By 1672, they may have moved to the Stokes County region, where the Saura Mountains are. Prior to 1700, they moved to present-day Danville, Virginia. Their last notice as a distinct tribe among the Catawba was in 1768, numbering only 50-60 individuals and later specifically identifed as the Harris and George families.
Nopkehe, named King Hagler was killed by Shawnee Warriors
about 1760’s and there are many legends about this famous
Chief of the Catawba. It is the son of King Hagler or
the son of Robert Brown(e) who was an man from Northern Ireland during this time, an Indian Trader, who was captured by the Shawnee when he was 15 years old, Later escaped and returned to the
Catawba with a Shawnee or Miami wife and several small children. They were shunned by the Catawba because of the decades or longer hatred of the Shawnee, thier enemy.
This was about 1755 and the Catawba son with the Shawnee wife returned
about 1770 or slightly later. After being shunned by the Catawba for having a Shawnee wife, and possible being half white half Catawba, descendant from Robert Brown, He took another name, and lived in the White Man world, buying property in Sparklingburg area of SC, Rutherford Co NC, and even in the Bristol area of TN/VA, land on a sinking creek. Is listed in 1790 Rutherford Co Morgan District
as a white man, named Jacob Gardner, with Sons William and John living near by and with families of thier own.
Rutherford county gets brought up agian with this person.
Mary BRADLEY was born in 1822 in Burke County or Rutherford, North Carolina. She died on 1 Nov 1900 in Oldham’s Creek , Tennessee. Mary was a full-blooded Catawba Indian. Parents: Isaac BRADLEY and Sarah COXEY.
Spouse: Israel CARVER. Israel CARVER and Mary BRADLEY were married 21 AUG 1838 (19 AUG 1839 ) in Oconaluftee, Haywood County, North Carolina.
And brought up there.
http://theharmons.us/harmon_t/b205.htm
I can’t find this one website right now..but there is a website that talks alot about the Catawba and Rutherford county.
But yea…that Orange county to York to rutherford should show a Migration pattern of the Siouans (remember Catawba county is just 1 county away from Ellensboro Rutherford and that Catawba county was named for the Indians which once lived there).
Then we can add in…William dobbins’ (drury’s father) grandson married John Jeffries’s daughter.
The Occaneechi Saponi tribe has this to say:
The Saponi confederation was closely allied with the Catawba confederation, and occupied several forts and settlements located in what are now Greensville County and Brunswick Counties, Virginia from about 1680 until the mid-18th century, when the last Virginia fort, Christianna, fell into disuse. They also continued to occupy fortified villages and other settlements in North Carolina into the mid-1700s during this period.
Veterans of the War and their families were among the founders of Little Texas, including those of Charles Whitmore, John Jeffries, Jr., John Jeffries, Sr., Jacob Jeffries, Simon Jeffries, Holiday Heathcock, and others had moved their families to Little Texas by 1800. The community was also joined by the children of William Guy, a War veteran who was born in the Virginia community and who moved to North Carolina after the War. ::
Here is who them jeffries are:
John3 Jeffries, born say 1718, was called John Jefferson when he was granted 84 acres on Cattail Swamp in Brunswick County adjoining John Persons on 12 March 1739 [Patents 18:553-4]. He was called Jefferson in the early land records but called John Jeffres/ Jefferis when he voted in Brunswick County in June 1748 [DB 3:508, 510]. And he and his family were called Jeffries when they voted in Greensville County in 1792 and in the land records in the late 1790s and thereafter. On 26 May 1748 he purchased 228 acres in Brunswick County bounded by the north side of Cattail Creek from John Person of Isle of Wight County, heir to John Person of Surry County who was granted the land in 1726 [DB 3:447; Greensville DB 1:450]. He was among the freeholders of Brunswick County ordered to work on a road under Littleberry Robertson on 27 March 1759 [Orders 1757-9, 314]. His land on Cattail Creek was on the west side of Fountain Creek in the part of Brunswick County which became Greensville County in 1781. He was taxable in Meherrin Parish, Brunswick County, on 2 persons over the age of twenty-one and 1 person under the age of twenty-one in 1785 and free from personal tax in 1786 [Personal Property Tax List 1782-98, frames 135, 159]. He was called John Jeffries on 28 June 1787 when the Greensville County court discharged him from paying taxes (due to old age) starting from the year 1786 [Orders 1781-9, 332]. He was taxable in Meherrin Parish, Greensville County, from 1787 to 1796: taxable on (his son) Nathan Jeffries and 3 horses in 1789, taxable on a horse in 1796 [Personal Property Tax List 1782-1850, frames 43, 65, 84, 109, 138, 189, 202]. John and his wife Judy Jefferson made a deed of gift of 55 acres to their son Simon in 1796 and made deeds of sale to (their sons?) Andrew, Simon, Nathan, and John in Greensville County between 1789 and 1798. They sold 50 acres of land adjoining their land in Greensville County to Andrew Jeffers on 4 February 1789, sold 45 acres on Person’s Branch adjoining William Robinson to John Jeffers, Junior, for 3 pounds on 25 April 1792, and sold 40 acres to Nathan Jeffries for 20 pounds on 23 January 1798. By the terms of the deed Nathan was not to take possession of the land until the death of John Jeffries. On 27 December 1798 John and his wife Judy Jeffries also sold two parcels of land adjoining theirs to Andrew Jeffries, one of 40 acres for 9 pounds and another of 84 acres for 50 pounds [DB 2:487, 498, 505-6, 520, 524]. He may have been the Jefferson who was paid as a witness on 24 August 1799 for William Lanier in the Greensville County suit of William Stewart [Orders 1790-9, 635]. John Jeffries’ wife Judy was identified as Judy Lane by their great grandson Parker Jeffries (son of Sally Jeffries) in a Greene County, Ohio court suit in 1841 [Parker Jeffries v. Ankeny]. Judy was probably the granddaughter of Elizabeth Lane who confessed in Surry County, Virginia court on 7 January 1690/1 that she had two “Molato” children by “Nicholas Sessums his Negro Man” [Surry Orders 1682-91, 771, 777]. John’s children were
7 i. John5, born say 1745.
8 ii. Andrew/ Drury1, born say 1750.
iii. Shadrack, born say 1754, taxable in Meherrin Parish, Brunswick County, from 1784 to 1787 [Personal Property Tax List 1782-98, frames 91, 136, 170, 204]. He voted in Greensville County on 26 April 1792 [DB 1:450]. He was surety for the 24 July 1794 Greensville County, Virginia marriage bond of (his niece) Grief Jeffries. He was taxable in Meherrin Parish, Greensville County, from 1788 to 1812: [Personal Property Tax List 1782-1850, frames 64, 84, 109, 127, 138, 162, 179, 189, 202, 219, 232, 245, 260, 274, 288, 303, 322, 337, 354, 372, 387, 402, 416, 433]. His 12 May 1812 Greensville County will was proved 12 October the same year. He left all his lands to his wife Sarah and at her death to Mary Jefferson (Jeffries). And he left his property to his wife and at her death to his brother Nathan with one-twelfth to go to Sarah Wadkins (Watkins). His wife Sarah and brother Nathan were executors [WB 2:267-8].
9 iv. Simon, born say 1756.
v. ?Jacob, born say 1758, taxable on his own tithe, 2 horses and 3 cattle in Meherrin Parish, Brunswick County, in 1783 and 1784 [Personal Property Tax List 1782-98, frames 62, 91].
vi. Nathan, born say 1762, taxable on a horse and 3 cattle in Meherrin Parish, Brunswick County, in 1784 [Personal Property Tax List 1782-98, frame 91], married Clary Norton, 23 June 1791 Greensville County bond, Repts Steward surety. He was a taxable in Meherrin Parish, Greensville County, from 1787 to 1827: listed in his father’s household in 1787 and 1789, listed as a “Mulatto” in 1813, listed with son Nathan from 1818 to 1820, listed with son Shade in 1822 and 1823, listed with (son?) John in 1825, with William Jeffers in 1827 [Personal Property Tax List 1799-1850, frames 43, 65, 84, 109, 127, 138, 162, 180, 189, 202, 219, 232, 245, 260, 274, 288, 303, 322, 337, 354, 372, 387, 416, 433, 447, 557, 581, 605, 653, 678, 705, 731, 804] and head of a Greensville County household of 9 “free colored” in 1820 [VA:263].
This next one is the children of the above mentioned Andrew/Drury Jeffries.
Andrew1 Jeffries, born say 1750 (before 1776), was taxable in Meherrin Parish, Brunswick County, Virginia, from 1782 to 1787: taxable on a 4 horses and 4 cattle in 1782, taxable on John Jeffries’ tithe in 1783 [Personal Property Tax List 1782-98, frames 23, 62, 91, 136, 159, 203]. He purchased 50 acres in Meherrin Parish, Greensville County, adjoining Shadrack, Simon, and John Jeffers from John Jeffers on 4 February 1789, purchased 30 acres on the southside of Jordan’s Road adjoining the land of John Jefferson (Jeffries) on 20 April 1790 and another 30 acres on the southside of Jordan’s Road on 28 April 1796. And he purchased two parcels of land from John Jeffries and his wife Judy on 27 December 1798: one for 9 pounds and another of 84 acres for 50 pounds. He voted in Greensville County on 26 April 1792. He and his wife Mary sold 12-1/4 acres adjoining their land for $61 on 24 July 1815 [DB 1:292, 449; 2:359, 524; 4:520]. He was taxable in Meherrin Parish, Greensville County, from 1788 to 1812: listed with 2 tithables aged 16-21 in 1793 and 1794 [Personal Property Tax List 1782-1850, frames 65, 84, 109, 127, 137, 162, 179, 189, 202, 219, 232, 260, 274, 288, 303, 322, 337, 354, 372, 387, 402, 416, 433]. He was called Andrew Jeffers when he was discharged from paying taxes in Greensville County in 1812 [Orders 1810-15, 253]. His 16 February 1821 Greensville County will was proved in October 1821. He left the part of his land adjoining David Robinson to his daughter Sally and the remainder on the southside to his daughters Linch and Morning. He named his surviving children: John, Drury, Littleton, Linch, Jancy, Grief, Morning, and Sally. Maclin Jeffries, Sally Jeffries and Grief Hathcock were buyers at the sale of his estate [WB 3:240, 299]. Andrew’s wife was identified as Mary Dole in the Greene County, Ohio court suit of his grandson Parker Jeffries (son of Sally Jeffries) in 1841 [Parker Jeffries v. Ankeny]. Mary may have been the daughter of William Dale(s), head of a Northampton County, North Carolina household of 10 “other free” in 1790 [NC:76]. Andrew was the father of
i. John7, born about 1765, taxable in Andrew Jeffries’ Brunswick County household in 1783 [Personal Property Tax List 1782-98], charged with his own tax in Meherrin Parish, Greensville County, from 1788 to 1807 [Personal Property Tax List 1782-1850, frames 65, 84, 108, 127, 138, 218, 245, 260, 274, 288, 303, 322, 337, 372]. He was head of an Orange County household of 5 “free colored” in 1820 [NC:342]. He married Dilly Ballard, 8 December 1824 Orange County bond, Andrew and Eaton Jeffers bondsmen. He was about sixty-seven years old and living in Orange County on 26 November 1832 when he applied for a pension for his services in the Revolution. He stated that he enlisted in Brunswick County, Virginia, in 1780 and resided there until 1808 when he moved to Orange County. He made a second declaration in Orange County on 19 October 1837 that he had served in the place of his father Andrew Jeffreys. His widow Delilah was a resident of Alamance County on 19 November 1853 when she applied for a survivor’s pension, testifying that they were married in 1822 and that her husband died on 15 April 1845. She was said to have been about eighty years old when she testified again in Alamance County on 11 April 1855 [M804-1409, frame 0363].
ii. Andrew/Drury2, born about 1768, married Silvia Scott, 28 January 1790 Greensville County bond, Andrew Jeffries surety. They were married by Rev. William Garner whose return was dated 10 Nov. 1789 [Minister’s Returns, p.19]. He was taxable in Meherrin Parish, Greensville County, from to 1788 to 1812: taxable in his father’s household in 1788 and 1789 [Personal Property Tax List 1782-1850, frames 65, 84, 109, 127, 137, 162, 180, 189, 202, 219, 245, 288, 303, 322, 337, 354, 372, 387, 402, 416, 433]. He was head of an Orange County, North Carolina household of 13 “free colored” in 1820 [NC:342]. He purchased 110 acres on Jordans Creek in Orange County from Robert Scott on 8 November 1832 [DB pp.254-5]. He made a deposition in Orange County on 10 November 1832 that he lived in Brunswick County when (his brother) John Jeffries left home to serve in the Revolution. He made a similar deposition in 1833 that he was born in Brunswick County about 1766, resided there until 1813 when he moved to North Carolina, and that he recollected that his brother returned home from service in 1781. He was deposed again on 19 October 1837 when he stated that he was about sixty-nine years old and the brother of John Jeffries. On 19 November 1853 he made a deposition for the survivor’s pension application of John’s widow Delilah Jeffries, stating that John and Delilah were married in 1822 [M804-1409, frames 375, 382, 425].
The Above mentioned John Jeffries….his daughter Eliza married William dobbins’ grandson.
However….Lets look at John’s Brother Andrew’s son
The earliest records of this family record them as ‘Indians’ living in Northampton County, NC (just south of Greensville Co. VA) in the early 1700’s. (Northampton County Orders 1729-32; Bell, Northampton County Taxables) They may possibly have been some of the Indians migrating up from the Catawba reservation mentioned in the petitions to Governor Gooch. The Jeffries family lived at ‘Indiantown’ on the former Gingaskin reservation land along with the POOL, FISHERMAN, LANG, JACOBS, COLLINS, CARTER & DRIGGERS families.
1736 to 1742 – Will Jeffries listed as an Indian student at the Brafferton Indian school at William & Mary….his tribe is not specified.
28 Jan 1790, Andrew “Drury” Jeffries married Silvia Scott (Greensville Co. bond, Minister’s Returns, p.19) His father, Andrew Jeffries sr. (grandfather of Parker Jeffries) was bondsman. Andrew “Drury” Jeffries jr. filed a deposition of Rev War service in Orange Co. NC in 1833 where he stated that he was born in Brunswick County, VA about 1766 (note: Greensville was formed from part of Brunswick), resided there until 1813 when he moved to Orange Co. NC.
Andrew ‘Drury’ Jeffries and Silvia Scott were the parents of Richard Jeffries.
1834, Richard Jeffries appears in Jackson County Florida tax records, listed as a free man of color alongside Jacob Scott, Joseph Scott, Absalom Scott, John Jones & Martin Brooks.
Four of the eldest members that founded the Florida community were named Joseph Scott, Jacob Scott, John ‘Captain Jack’ Ayers, and Elizabeth Scott. All of these names appear on documents relating to Catawba lands being leased and annuity payments owed to Catawba Indians in the era 1820-1840.
Feb. 1897, U.S. Senate Document #144, entitled “The Catawba Tribe of Indians”, the report says that “Dr. Joseph McDowell, of Fairmont, GA, under date of October, 1872, stated that the Indians referred to, and asking relief of the Government, were “Catawba Indians, and 81 in number.” Dr. McDowell (who had married one of the Guy women and wrote at least two letters to the Indian Office on behalf of her people) also provided a list of the names and ages of the individuals whom he said wished the government to assist them in moving west to Indian Territory. The report further states that “William Guy, of Granville County, Ga (sic NC), and Simon Jeffries, of Bellville, Virginia, Catawba Indians, served five years in the Army and were honorably discharged, and these people are their descendants.” He further states in his letter of October 1869, addressed to Eli Parker, U.S. Commissioner of Indian Affairs, that “I take the Liberty of addressing to you a few lines on behalf of a remnant of the tribe of Catawba Indians…Some 60 or 70 years since they left their tribe and went to Greenville County, Virginia, and then removed to Orange County, North Carolina…they sold out in Orange and moved to Macon County, N.C. where they purchased land and remained every since.”
Greene County, Ohio, an Ohio Supreme Court case occurred when Parker Jeffries was refused the right to vote. The jury found “that the plaintiff is of the Indian race, the illegitimate son of a white man and a woman of the Indian race, and that he has not more than one fourth of the Indian blood in his veins.”
Parker’s mother was the sister to Andrew and John.
If we go back a few years to right before Drury Dobbins was born…..take a look at the dobbins and the Monacans….According to local sources, “as late as 1758 they (Monacans) were to prove so troublesome to the Quakers at Goose Creek (near Bedford) that the settlement had to be abandoned for two years before being reclaimed.” Another source states, “It is quite possible that this can be explained by the Quakers choosing for settlement one of the best known Indian east and west Blue Ridge trail crossings and also their site was near an Indian burying ground of some significance.”
We know the Saponi and Monacan had close relations.
so lets see how the Dobbins fit into the Goose creek and bedford Quakers.
The Goose Creek Monthly Meeting was set up in Bedford Co. Va. and GRIFFIN DOBYNS and family were automatically transferred to that meeting about 1790 and were transferred back to the South River Monthly Meeting when the Goose Creek Meeting was laid down about 1811. When GRIFFIN DOBYNS died in Bedford Co. in 1819, he left a will (fn 496) which names his wife, and his children CATHERINE JOHNSON, NANCY (or SARAH) BOND, ELIZABETH MARTIN, THOMAS, GRIFFIN Jr., JOSEPH, JONAH, JOHN and ABNER DOBYNS.
http://www.myoutbox.net/ddcv09.htm
Griffin’s Daughter married into the Martin family.
And now the begining….and it all makes sense 🙂
Thomas Collins Sr. born 1710 & his descendants According to documented family research old Thomas Collins Sr. born before 1710 was the father and or grandfather of the historical Tennessee Melungeon Collins. At least one of Thomas Collins parents (unknown) was probably full blood Saponi Indian.
Collins family history handed down from father to son was; “The Collins were living in Virginia as Indians before they migrated to North Carolina, and they stole the name Collins from white settlers” ( Will Allen Dromgoole’s 1890 interview with Calloway Collins, (Melungeons And Other Pioneer Families.)
Other Collins men who were associated with Thomas Collins Sr. in New Kent, later Louisa County, Va. were probably his brothers. They were Samuel Collins, John Collins and William Collins.
25 Jan 1745 Louisa County, Virginia Court: William Hall, Samuel Collins, William Collins, Samuel Bunch, George Gibson, Benjamin Brannum, Thomas Gibson, & William Donothan appear to answer an indictment for concealing tithables. Plead not guilty, Case continued. (Louisa County, Va., Tithables and Census)
Although this John Collins may, or may not be a brother to Thomas the court record below establishes that some Collins were Saponia Indians. “Alexander Machartoon, John Bowling, Manincassa, Capt Tom, Isaac, Harry, blind tom, Foolish Jack, Charles Griffin, John Collins, Little Jack, Indians being bought before the court for stealing Hogs. , Ordered that their Guns be taken away from them till they are ready to depart of this county, they having declared their intentions to depart this colony within a week.”.11 On pages 309-312 of Orange County Court Record book the above named men individually put up security.11
This party of Saponia ( Monasukapanough) Indians left that county and some of these may have been the same group that formed the settlement near Hillsborough, North Carolina in 1750. Which was the same neck of the woods where old Thomas Collins migrated, as we follow him through land transactions.(Ref in Melungeons And other pioneer Families).
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