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May 27, 2004 at 3:07 pm #977
I am trying to research possible Saponi ancestry in the Garvin, Colvin, Dalton and or Garrett families. The Garvins, Colvins and Daltons are from in and around Erie and Sandusky counties in Ohio, and the Garretts are from Lost City, West Virginia. Any help will be appreciated.
Thanks,
Todd
May 27, 2004 at 3:07 pm #9744Welcome, Todd,
Could you give us some specific names and dates?
Bill
May 27, 2004 at 3:07 pm #9745Where is Lost City in West Virginia? I have never heard of it. I was born in Nicholas Co. WV and know there are a bunch of Garrett’s in that area. ( Some also spell it Jarrett )
Brenda
May 27, 2004 at 3:07 pm #9749Hardy County, about 15 miles east of Petersburg – there’s a Lost River State Park nearby.
May 27, 2004 at 3:07 pm #9772Thanks for the replies and help so far!
I am planning to go to visit my parents in Ohio in a couple of weeks, and I hope to be able to get together all the names and dates for my grandparents (and, with any luck, my great-grandparents, as well). Again, thanks for any help and/or info., and I’ll keep everyone posted.
Todd
May 27, 2004 at 3:07 pm #9775Todd, my surname is Dalton…….. my line stayed in Carroll and Floyd cos., Va. but I have info on other lines that moved west, first to WVa and Tenn then on to Ky and Ohio. Maybe I have something on your line. If you will post what you know, we’ll see if they connect.
peace
Ken
May 27, 2004 at 3:07 pm #9887Todd,
I’m from Virginia, and my Garrett line goes back to England. I can’t verify the ancestry of the Garrett’s wives however, they remain a mystery. Keep us informed after you visit your family.
Sincerely,
Deborah
May 27, 2004 at 3:07 pm #9996My paternal grandmother is Fayne Colvin, born in 1899, died in 1982, who lived most of her life in Castalia, Sandusky Co., Ohio. Her mother is a Dalton, but my parents do not have any other information.
My maternal grandmother is Mabel Garrett. I do not have any firm dates for her, but she was born in Lost City, WV, and she died in Fremont, Sandusky Co., Ohio.
May 27, 2004 at 3:07 pm #10039Todd,
1910 Sandusky Co., Oh census; ED128 Townsend Twp, 4 May, p.182B, at 216, 218:
COLVIN, James; farmer, m, W, 41; m1, 15; Oh, Oh, Oh.
(ditto), Sophia M.; wife, f, W, 36; m1, 15, 3/3, Oh, Oh, NY.
(ditto), Ivan; son, 14, Oh.
(ditto), FAYNE; dau, 12, Oh.****
(ditto), Russel; son, 8 months, Oh.
HAMILTON, Jay; Bro-in-Law; 42, m2, 0, Oh, Oh, NY.
(ditto), Emma; Sis-in-Law; 39, m1, 0, 0/0, Oh, Ger., Ger.
James & Sophia were each marr’d once, for 15 yrs, both born Ohio.
James’s parents were both born in Ohio.
Sophia’s father listed b.Ohio & her mother NY.
Sophia’s maiden name was HAMILTON, not DALTON – maybe someone else back that line was a DALTON?? See the 1880 census listed below for Sophia’s parents and her mother’s maiden name.
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1900 Sandusky Co., Oh census, ED88, Townsend Twp, p.269A, 11 June, at 132, 134:
COLVIN, James P.; farmer, W, m, Jun 1868, 31, m, 5, Oh, Oh, Oh.
(ditto), Sophie; wife, W, f, Aug 1873, 26, m, 5, 2/2, Oh, Oh, Oh.
(ditto), Ivan J.; son, Jan 1896, 4, Oh.
(ditto), Estella F.; dau, Jan 1898, 2, Oh.****(same as Fayne)
Two doors away at 134, 136:
COLVIN, Frank; farmer, W, m, Oct 1872, 27, m, 7, Oh, Oh, Oh.
(ditto), Bertha; wife, W, f, May 1874, 26, m, 7, 0/0, Oh, NY, NY.
James & Sophia were marr’d for 5 yrs, so marr’d about 1895.
Sophia has had 2 children, both still alive.
FAYNE’s full name is Estella Fayne Colvin.
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1880 Sandusky Co., Oh census, ED77 Townsend Twp, p.129B, 7 June, at 1, 1 :
HAMILTON, John; W, m, 42, farmer, Oh, Pa, Pa.
(ditto), Priscilla; W, f, 40, wife, Oh, NY, NY.
(ditto), JAY; 13, son, Oh.****
(ditto), Cory; 12, dau, Oh.
(ditto), Londo; 9, son, Oh.
(ditto), SOPHIA; 6, dau, Oh.****
(ditto), Perry; 4, son, Oh.
(ditto), Nelly; 1, dau, Oh.
Same census, at 171, 173:
COLVIN, George H.; W, m, 51, farmer, Oh, NY, NY.
(ditto), Cornelia; W, f, 41, wife, Oh, NY, NY.
(ditto), Estellie; 18, dau, Oh.
(ditto), William; 16, son, Oh.
(ditto), JAMES; 12, son, Oh.****
(ditto), Geo. F.; 8, son, Oh.****(“Frank”, see above.)
(ditto), Lula M.; 5, dau, Oh.
(ditto), Clinton; 2, son, Oh. (twin)
(ditto), Clifton; 2, son, Oh. (twin)
SHUTTS, William; W, m, 76, Father-in-Law, NY, NJ, NJ.
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So, James’s parents were George H. Colvin and Cornelia, maiden name SHUTTS.
Bill
May 27, 2004 at 3:07 pm #10040Thanks! That helps considerably, since up to this point I have been relying largely on my parents’ recollections. This should fill in a few gaps.
May 27, 2004 at 3:07 pm #10050Here’s the rest of the COLVIN / HAMILTON / SHUTTS data.
George H. Colvin’s parents and siblings:
1850 Sandusky Co Ohio census; York Twp, 30 August, p.468B, at 1067, 1088:
John Colvin, 47, m, – , farmer, $3000, VT.
Harriet (ditto), 44, f, – , NY
GEORGE H. (ditto), 21, m, – , farmer, Ohio
John B. (ditto), 18, m, – , farmer, Ohio
John Mugg, 76, m, – , F.W. Minister, Md.
Assuming that John Colvin was actually born in Vermont …….. 1820 Vermont census:
17 Colvin’s in Rutland Co, Vt.
2 Colvin’s in Bennington Co, Vt.
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George Colvin married Cornelia J. Shutts on 5 Mar 1854 in Sandusky Co., Oh per ancestry.com database index “Ohio Marriages 1803 to 1900. This index lists her as “Caroline” which is either in error or it was also part of her name.
Living with George and Cornelia on the 1880 census listed in a previous posting, was Wm. Shutts, 76, “Father-in-Law”, b.NY, father and mother born NJ.
1850 Sandusky Co Ohio census, Townsend Twp, 3 Sept, p.475B, at 1158, 1181:
William C. SHUTTS, 45, m, – , farmer, $2000, NY.
Clarisa A. (ditto), 43, f, – , NY.
Bulla (ditto), 18, f, – , NY. (misspelling of Beulah)
CORNELIA J. (ditto), 11, f, – , Ohio****************
Mary E. (ditto), 7, f, – , Ohio
James B. (ditto), 2, m, – , Ohio
Jacob TERRY, 19, m, – , laborer, $0, NY
same census, 6 Sept, p.481B, at 1255, 1282:
Gabriel SHUTTS, 79, m, – , farmer, $1000, NJ.
Mary (ditto), 76, f, – , NJ.
Susan POWERS, 22, f, – , Canada.
From the same ancestry.com index:
Beulah Shutts marr’d J.F. Parkhurst, 17 Jan 1855, Sandusky Co.
Mary E. Shutts marr’d George Williamson, 5 Apr 1860, Sandusky Co.
1830 Tompkins Co., New York census, Hector Twp., P.422.
(Tompkins County was created in 1817 from Cayuga & Seneca counties. This is the second county north of Bradford Co., Penn. To help you better locate it on a map, the county seat is Ithaca.)
Gabriel Shutts = 00211001 – 00010001.
household contains:
2 males 10 to 14.
1 male 15 to 19.
1 male 20 to 29.
1 male 50 to 59. (Gabriel would have been 59.)
1 female 15 to 19.
1 female 50 to 59. (Mary would have been 56.)
Only a few houses away from Gabriel :
William Shutts = 10102 – 00001.
household contains:
1 male under 5.
1 male 10 to 14.
2 males 20 to 29. (William would have been 25.)
1 female 20 to 29. (Clarisa would have been 23.)
Also nearby was a Samuel L. Shutts = 101001 – 00001.
household contains:
1 male under 5.
1 male 10 to 14.
1 male 30 to 39.
1 female 20 to 29.
Gabriel Shutts is indexed for 1820 Tompkins Co NY but I failed to find him on the page he’s indexed for. I checked a couple pages before and after without finding him either.
For 1810, there are Shutts in Seneca (not Cayuga) Co., NY, with no Gabriel, whose first or middle name may be one of those listed.
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HAMILTON:
Sophia M. Hamilton Colvin’s parents were John and Priscilla (unknown) Hamilton, per the previously posted census data.
1860 Sandusky Co., Ohio census, Townsend Twp, 22 June, p.47, at 659, 671:
Mary HAMILTON, 55, f, – , farming, $4000, $300, Penn.
Hiram, 31, m, – , Penn.
Mary, 30, f, – , Penn.
Nancy, 23, f, – , Penn.
JOHN, 22, m, – , Ohio.****
Geo., 17, m, – , Ohio.
Jay, 12, m, – , Ohio.
1850 Sandusky Co Ohio census, Townsend Twp, 9 Sept, p.484A, at 1285, 1312:
John HAMILTON, 50, m, – , farmer, $1000, Penn.
Mary, 46, f, – , Penn.
Hiram, 22, m, – , Penn.
Mary, 24, f, – , Penn.
JOHN, 10, m, – , Ohio. ****
Sarah, 17, f, – , Penn.
Nancy, 14, f, – , Penn.
George, 7, m, – , Ohio.
J., 2, m, – , Ohio.
Per the same Ohio Marriages database:
Hiram Hamilton marr’d Elizabeth Miller, 28 Apr 1864, Sandusky Co.
Sarah Hamilton m’d Samuel McCormick, 17 Mar 1853, Sandusky Co
In 1850 Sandusky Co, York Twp, and a considerable distance away from John Hamilton, is an Abram Hamilton, 48, b. NY and his family, and living with them is a William Hamilton, 84, b. NY.
These are potential relatives of John – don’t know if they are or not.
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Who did Mabel Garrett marry?
Bill
May 27, 2004 at 3:07 pm #10051Mabel Garrett married John Jankowiak and they lived in Fremont, Sandusky Co., OH (in the Polish neighborhood known as ‘the Prairie to be precise, within the boundaries of Catholic parish of St. Casimir). They lived there until the 1960’s, I believe.
May 27, 2004 at 3:07 pm #10052Also, Mabel Garrett was raised Protestant. (I am not 100% sure in which denomination.) She converted to Catholicism in order to marry John Jankowiak. Mabel Garrett always identified herself as ‘Pennsylvania German’. (She insisted on not using the term ‘Pennsylvania Dutch’.) John Jankowiak identified more or less as Polish (and was bilingual in Polish and English), although he acknowledged ‘White Russian’ and Cossack ancestry.
May 27, 2004 at 3:07 pm #10053I was wondering, also, if you could explain some of the ‘alphabet soup’ (i.e. abbreviations, etc.) in the various listings.
Pilamaya yelo!
(Lakota for ‘Thanks!’ – I don’t know the Saponi equivalent.)
Todd
May 27, 2004 at 3:07 pm #10055Tutelo is “pila huc” pronounced much the same as “pilamaya yelo” with the emphasis on the second syllable. I suspect the “u’ in the last syllable should be prolonged more than in English, and the “h” preceding it a bit more voiced than in English.
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