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Just looking for Riddle and Ridley, I didn’t find any there until 1850 and that was one family from NC with children born in Va in the late 1840s and a second group from SC. A John Riddle was in 1840 Lee Co., Va. A specific name may help.
Thank you for looking.
Now that I think of it, Happy Riddle and her kids might be listed under William Ingram (Ingraham) since she remarried.
I know they lived at Kyles Ford near the VA and TN border.
Well, I’m embarrassed. That census database does not have any records for Hawkins Co prior to 1830 and I couldn’t locate these anywhere else.
On the other hand, not all members of a family ‘move away’ with the rest of them and in 1830 Hawkins there is a Miller Ingram, age 20 to 29, and a Thomas Ingram, age 50 to 59. This Miller Ingram turned up a post on genforum.com’s Ingram Family Genealogy Forum, message # 4407, citing a James Ingram b.abt. 1787 Hawkins Co., Tn (whether ‘Hawkins’ is correct is beside the point at the moment), who m’d a Nancy Miller, with land transactions in Hawkins County between this James Ingram and the Miller family who were related, per the ‘Miller/Ingram Bible’ in the New Albany, Indiana library, per this poster, and James had a son William, b.1810. This William appears to be too young for the one you’re looking for but may be part of the same family and a possible lead.
These Ingrams are purported descendants of Andrew Ingram, b.abt. 1758 Granville (or?) Johnston Co., NC; d. 25 July 1845 Floyd Co., In.
Thanks Bill. I will look into these names.
Yeah, I am sure some of them stuck around, but a very large group of them were in Bledsoe County, TN by 1830.
Regarding the note about James Ingram being born in 1787 Hawkins County, you and I have discussed another person reported to have been born in Hawkins County earlier (George Ridley’s son b. 1762). Is it possible that these people were born in that location, which may have not been Hawkins County at the time, but they simply reported it that way later on, after it had become Hawkins County?
From Worth S. Ray’s “Tennessee Cousins” in the section ‘The First Courts Established in Washington County, NC’ :
“After the establishment of the first Courts in Washington County, NC, in 1777, the old proceedings show the names of the following persons, from time to time:
(on p.18, in his alphabetical list of names, is)
“Ingram, William, 1783, Hawkins County”
(on p.19, in that list, is)
“Ridley, George, 1783, Hawkins County”
Ray apparently copied these names from court records surviving at the time this book was published in 1950. Wonder where they are now, Nashville or the county courthouses?
Ray says the first people over the mountains were the Long Hunters and then Indian Traders. “Julius Dugger and Andrew Greer have been awarded the honor of being the first white men to settle in the Watauga Country. They are said to have come there about the year 1766, and built cabins.”
“Col. James Robertson came across the mountains about 1770, from North Carolina.”
“Articles of Association” were drawn up by this community in 1772 and the first court in this area was held in May 1778 (established in 1777 and 1st held in ’78?), giving some insight into how fast this population grew.
Very interesting Bill. I wonder if there are any older references to the region.
I am confused. Where it says “the first people over the mountains were the Long Hunters and then Indian Traders. “Julius Dugger and Andrew Greer have been awarded the honor of being the first white men to settle in the Watauga Country. They are said to have come there about the year 1766, and built cabins.”
Does this mean that Julius Dugger and Andrew Greer were Long Hunters or Indian Traders, or does it mean that the Long Hunters and Indian Traders came first, followed by Julius Dugger and Andrew Greer.
You always say, “follow the history,” and I am doing my best to read as much as I can.
Why does it seem so many of the Gibson/Collins/Riddle/etc. group originally from around Hillsborough, NC on the Eno River end up in this part of TN?
I think they or their ancestors were familiar with the area…What do you think?
Was Hawkins/Hancock Co. considered Cherokee country? From what I have read, the Cherokee Overhill towns were further south. Could Hawkins/Hancock Co. been the hunting grounds for our Saponi ancestors?
What Sioux-speaking tribe lived closest to this region? Catawba?
Dugger and Greer are said to have been the first who settled there, not the first to pass thru there.
Altho the U.S. said this area was ceded by the Cherokee by treaty (1790? or earlier), the Cherokee still claimed this area as far north as Lee Co., Va as a “hunting reserve” in the 1790s and did live further south.
As to whether any E.Sioux were familiar with this area, it’s my opinion that some of the Long Hunter groups, particularly Elisha Wallen’s, contained persons of E. Sioux descent. I base this opinion on the names surrounding Wallen on Pittsylvania Co., Va Tax Records as well as later when he and this group moved to S.W. Va. I suspect the real reason the Collins & Gibson groups settled there was because it was remote.
If I recall my maps, the Issipaha and Tutelo lived nearest to this area, at times.
I was putting emphasis on the statement “first white men to settle” there…
Maybe there were “non-white” people who had already settled the area, namely mixed-blood pioneers…
Could’a….
The problem’s solution would turn on records/recorded history/, usually.
Prior to established jurisdictions = no records = speculation = ‘no comment’ 🙂
I’ll go a ‘half-step’, but not a stride.
I understand and agree. It’s a big maybe…:)
I am still trying to find some proof of George Ridley’s son being born in Hawkins Co, TN in 1762…maybe it is in a family bible…:confused:
Thanks for your help Bill.
Doubt if this does you much good, but there was an early Ridley family in Nashville and a little SE of there. Some of them are still around, or were in the 1970s. Anyhow, here’s a reference; you can scroll down and find Moses and Henry Ridley, and their father (no given name in this source) in about 1809. Nashville was settled in 1779-80, initially mostly by folks who floated down the Cumberland, or came overland, from E. Tennessee. I don’t know if the Ridleys were among them, but they were early, anyhow.
http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~nashvillearchives/willoughbyI.html
If you want information about the Riddles, Jack Goins can furnish you about any info you want on this family. His e-mail addy is jgoins@usit.net
Cleland
Hate to leave an error for somebody else to jump on: actually the settlers of Nashville who floated, floated down the Tennessee — all the way to the Ohio — and then they had to pole their flatboats back UP the Cumberland. But Hawkins Co. is on the Holston, a major tributary of the Tennessee. People from there (including Ridleys) may have been in the Donelson party, on that voyage. I think their names, or most of them, are recorded in the Cumberland Compact, or other contemporary documents. And I think the leader of the voyage, John Donelson, was to become Andrew Jackson’s father-in-law.
I know Jackson has a bad rep in Indian country, well deserved for some military actions, the Trail of Tears, and all — but the other day I was surprised to learn that one of the several children he and Rachel (Donelson) adopted was a Creek boy. Unfortunately he was also one of those who didn’t survive to adulthood, but I don’t think that was the Jacksons’ fault;like everybody else back then, they didn’t know about germs, etc.
cthorpeky wrote: If you want information about the Riddles, Jack Goins can furnish you about any info you want on this family. His e-mail addy is jgoins@usit.net
Cleland
Thanks, but I have Jack Goins’ book and have talked with him already. 🙂
As far as I know, he is not aware of George Ridley or his family. It’s a hunch of mine that George is connected with Moses Riddle somehow. If you are interested, I have other threads on George Ridley, Beverley Ridley, Bazle Ridley, the Drinkwaters, the Butlers, and the Wingos.
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