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My gg grandparents were John Mahlon Carder and Eliza Jane Dobbins.
Eliza Jane’s parents were William Dobbins and Mary Goldsberry, who were married 7 August 1828, Ross County, Ohio.
As you know, at one time, everyone had family bibles that laid open to the family pages on the parlor table. My great aunt (my grandpa’s sister) who died about 4 years ago saw that bible every day growing up and had most of the info memorized just from seeing it all the time. My dad, who passed away 5 years ago also remembered seeing the family bible when he was young.
My great aunt told me that in that bible it said that John Mahlon Carder’s mother was full-blooded Cherokee from North Carolina and that her white name was Mary and her Indian name was Gooseberry. Her dad also told her that his grandma smoked a corncob pipe. When my great grandma died, my eldest great aunt inherited the family bible. My younger great aunt and my grandpa begged her to give it to them but she destroyed it. My friend and Native American advisor, Snowflower, told me that was common because a lot of people back then didn’t want anyone to know they had Indian blood. I believe that the story is true, because my dad and great aunt have no reason to make that up and even distant relatives that I had never met who had never met me until I started doing the family history and found them knew the story and knew that her name was supposed to be Gooseberry.
Well, I don’t know what John’s mother was, because I can’t find out who his parents were but Eliza Jane Dobbins’ mother was Mary E.Goldsberry from Ross County. She was born in Virginia on 11 February 1804 and died in Jackson Township, Champaign County, Ohio on 26 June 1889.
On 2 of her son’s death certificates and on their Civil War complied service records, it says that they were born in Oldtown, Ross County. On Eliza Jane’s and her sisters’ death certificates, it says they were born in Ross County. Eliza Jane’s obit says she was born near Chillicothe. I was told that Oldtown was one of Tecumseh’s villages and one of the primary Shawnee villages in Ohio. On Eliza Jane’s siblings who died first’s death certificates, they have their mother’s name as Mary Goldsberry, but on Eliza Jane’s and another sister’s, it has their mother’s name as Gooseberry. As you know, a lot of Indians changed their names to sound white. I think the name was changed from Gooseberry to Goldsberry to sound white. Everywhere they lived was originally a Shawnee village or near one and was a village of Tecumseh’s clan, the Panther clan, so I’m sure that she was probably Shawnee or Chickamauga.
Most of John M.’s children married Indians. His one son, Joseph’s children all married Carmel Melungeons. His son, John F.’s son married Lillian Mount who descends from the Greens, Butts, and Hills of Johnstown, Licking County, Ohio. Johnstown was and still is Indian so I ahve been told. The Greens, Butts, and Hills were Indian. Most researching them believe that they were Shawnee. His son, Nathan Isaac, my great great grandfather married Alice Alford who was the widow of Albert Rider. Alford and Rider are Cherokee names. My husband’s name is Mayes and his family comes from the same counties that Chief Joseph Mayes came from so we are also trying to connect Chief Mayes to his family.
I am related through Stanton Nichols’ son, Squire, and his wife, Clarissa Gibson and their son, Harland’s wife, Hulda E. Burris. Hilda’s brother, John Lester Burris married Mattie Jane Gibson, daughter of Clarissa Gibson and her first husband,William Garfield Gibson. Their daughter, Mary F. Burris married Floyd Carder who was my grandpa Wilbur Silas (Nick) Carder’s first cousin. Floyd’s parents were Joseph E. Carder and Laura M. Eaton. Their son, Herbert Carder married Ruby D. Howard, daughter of Russell D. Howard and Rebecca Mann. Floyd and Herb’s brother, David Nathan Carder married Freda Grace Alexander, daughter of Charles D. Alexander and Mary Etta Lyles. Brother, William Carder married Vickie E. (Veacha) Perkins, daughter of Samuel Wallace Perkins and Luvina Hammonds. Sister, Gladys M. Carder married Elziel L. Risner, son of Wilmore (William) Risner and Elizabeth Burnett. Gladys was also married to Burke Valentine. Sister, Sylvia Irene (Sib) Carder married Leslie A. Bailey, son of Willis Bailey and Clara Draper. Joseph Carder’s parents were John Mahlon Carder, parents unknown, and Eliza Jane Dobbins, daughter of William Dobbins and Mary Goldsberry whose Indian name was Gooseberry. Their son, Nathan Isaac Carder was my great grandfather. He married Sophia McFarland and Mary Alice Alford, widow of Albert Rider. Their son, John Frank Carder’s son, John Elmer Carder married Lillian Mount, whose parents were Frank C. Mount and Carrie Hill, daughter of Caton Hill and Martha Evans. Caton was the son of Charles Green Hill and descended from the Hills, Butts, and Greens of Johnstown, Licking County, Ohio. I watn to thank Laurie for filling in some of my blanks.
Welcome, Deb and cousin,
I am one of those Greens, Butts, etc who believes that they were Shawnee. I can’t tell you what cousin Snowflower is to me, but we both have Andrew Huston as a direct ancestor.
Just in case you are interested, our story in Blackfoot Cherokee, but this is from an ancestor from SW PA who did not live in OH. She and her group came directly from PA to IA where my Green, Butt ancestors moved to. Then her children intermarried. She was known to have said that she never crossed the threshold of a white man, which is strange, since she married someone who was supposedly white.
Just in case you are interested, my grandmother said they were Fox Indians, but I think they were Shawnee who lived among Fox and were accepted by them, since they spoke the same language. One of our cousins grew up attending the Meskwaki powwows. Another cousin remembers her grandfather, whose grandmother was Elizabeth Green (my ggggrandmother), saying he was Irish and Indian and could do all the dances. Twenty miles from where they lived in IA, is a town called Shawanese, right where they would have crossed the Mississippi.
Nice to meet you.
Techteach
And Alford is a Shawnee surname also. See http://members.aol.com/tawodi/carlisle/page8.htm. It may have a connection to Tecumseh: http://genforum.genealogy.com/alford/messages/2234.html . Snowflower probably told you that there is a story of a a connection to Tecumseh in her line.
Techteach
Hi Techteach,
Nice to meet you. I think that Snowflower told me about you. I ahve no doubt that they were Shawnee. Snowlfower tookme to Johnstown and to the big cememtery where they are all buried last summer. She’s great. I dont’ know how I’d have evre learned how to trace hidden Native American ancestry without her. She’s become one of mt best friends.
yes, I’ll take a look at your Blackfoot Cherokee.
Thanks. I’ll take a look at them. Snowflower and I ahven’t found a connection with my Alfords to Chief Alford yet, but I’m still looking. I can’t remeber if she told me tath she may have a connection to Techumseh or not. She’s told em so much. I cant’ always remeber it all and ahve to ask her again. She did tell me taht she thought my Dobbisn and Goldsberrys were in Tecumseh’s clan and I might be related.
Deb:
The Tecumseh connection is in her book.
The Greens and Butts were very near Winchester, VA, where there was a Shawnee center.
The McLane surname that I have is associated with the Blackfoot story, but there are many McLanes (spelled the same way she spelled her name) on the 1871 census. She is buried in the cemetery where all the family in Iowa were buried under a headstone reading “Blackfoot Indian.” She was born in Beaver County, PA.
Here’s a link to pictures of my gggrandparents: http://www.saponitown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1976&page=6&highlight=Stayart
The male would be son of the McLane Blackfoot, while the woman is ggranddaughter of Elizabeth Green of Licking County.
Techteach
Whew, quite a story and quite a bit coming together. Have you used the forum search feature for ‘goldsberry’ yet? It’s been coming up a lot lately. Wachinika has that in her family too. Techteach, have you and she compared notes also?
My Smiths were in Ross County, Ohio the same Smiths who were also near that Blackfoot Church in Indiana.
Hi Deb, and WELCOME! WELCOME! WELCOME!
Thank you so much for the Emails. You would think the Goldsberrys in the same counties at the same time both with Cherokee stories would be related. There is also a Goldsberry out here in NE who posted on another site about a Blackfoot Goldsberry story who links to these same OH Goldsberrys. There is a land transaction between a Goldsberry and my GGGrandfather Thomas & Susannah Gouldsberry Derflinger. I’m trying not to get too excited yet as I know how disappointments come.
deb6102 She did tell me that she thought my Dobbins and Goldsberrys were in Tecumseh’s clan and I might be related.
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If I ever found out I was related to Tecumseh, I swear, I’d shoot right up to the stars and go into orbit. He is my all time ultimate Hero. (That would explain my fistiness.) And it greatly demonstrates why our ancestors had to lay low.
Linda, If you ever have time I’d love to hear more about your Smiths who were in OH such as time and location. Are they related to your Grandfather Harris?
techteach, I think it’s time I contacted Professor Butts out here who said his GGrandmother from OH was Indian.
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techteach She is buried in the cemetery where all the family in Iowa were buried under a headstone reading “Blackfoot Indian.” She was born in Beaver County, PA.
techteach, About when was that headstone created? I’m wondering as it is proof of a Blackfoot family story.
Wachinka:
What Professor Butts?
The Blackfoot headstone is recent, so don’t get excited. A genealogist in the family put it up several years ago, based on the family stories. And he thought it meant a Carlisle School Blackfoot, although she lived too early for that school.
There is a story in my family of a connection to Logan, though. Ironic, since it was the family line of my grandfather who killed his family.
Techteach
Yes, I’d be doing the happy dance if I could prove relationship to Tecumseh. I also related to the Butts.
techteach, I once pm’ed you with the contact info of my favorite Art Professor who always said his GGrandmother in OH was Indian and that she was a very tall woman, as was he very tall, though blond. (You said you might contact him.)
The Goldsberry in the land sale to Susan and Thomas Derflinger, I think traces back to Hardy Co. WV and had 2 sons who ran Harper’s Ferry near by for a while. One was struck by lightening. (I need to check the records to be sure.) Thomas’ father owned land just a couple of counties over in Loudoun & Fauquier Cos. VA. So this Winchester Shawnee site is right between these W VA Cos. And VA Cos. I’ve just referred to. Henry started out across the state line in Bucks Co. PA right near MD and DE. The online book of church records that lists Henry’s marriage in 1762 (I think) states they had a misson to the Indians in the area. Henry’s will is online:
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/va/loudoun/wills/drflngr-he.txt
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Will of Henry DURFLINGER
signed 10 Dec 1804
found in Loudoun Co., VA
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In the name of God amen, I, Henry Derflinger, of Loudoun County and state of
Virginia being sick in body but of perfect mind and memory thanks be given to
God and calling to mind the mortality of my body and knowing that it is
appointed for all men once to die to make and ordain this my last will and
testament and principally and first of all I recommend to the earth to be buried
in decent Christian burial at the discretion of my executors and as touching
such worldly estate wherewith it hath pleased God to bless me with this life I
give and dispose of the same in the following manner and form.
And I first give and bequeth to my eldest daughter Elizabeth the wife of Issac
Evans one dollar and no more and that to be said to her at the opening and
reading of this my will and it is my will and I do by the virtue of the same
direct and order all my lands in Loudoun and Fauquier Counties with all my other
moveable properties to be sold at public sale to the highest bidder and the
whole amount of my real and personal estate shall be equally divided between all
my other children now living Namely Frederick, Thos, Daniel, Catherine, Mary and
Eve and it is my will that the above mentioned sales be made within two months
after my decease and it my will that the legatees shall have their legacies as
soon as maybe convenient and it is my desire that all my wearing apparel be
equally divided between my three sons and I do order that the graveyard be
fenced in and kept separate for the purpose of burying the dead, and I do
nominate appoint and ordain my two sons Thos and Daniel to be whole and sole
exors. of this my last will and testament. And I do hereby utterly disallow
revoke disannull all former will legacies bequeth or executors by me in any wise
made or name allowing and ratifying and confirming this and no other to be my
last will and testiment.
In witness whereof I have here unto set my hand and fixed my seal this twenty
fourth day of August in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and four
in the presence of Peter Jacob, George Miller, Bayn Smallwood, Henry Derflinger
At a court held for Loudoun County Dec 10th 1804, this last will and testament
of Henry Derflinger (dec’d) was proved by the oaths of George Miller and Bayn
Smallwood witnesses there to and ordered to be recorded and on the motion of
Thos Derflinger the exr. there in named who made oath thereto and together with
Daniel Derflinger, _____*______ and Frederick Derflinger his securities entered
into and acknowledged their bond in the penalty of thirty thousand dollars
conditioned as the law directs certificate is granted them for obtaining a
probate in due form
teste c. bimms clerk
(* ed. note: illegible, may be John Demory)
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