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I do not know much about my grandmother’s line but what I do know I am posting and I hope to hear from someone that connects!
My great grandmother was Nellie May Jones. She was born June 10, 1911 died September 20, 1990. She had a sister Molly Jones died May 12, 1993. These two I knew. Others siblings:
Frank Jones, Clyde Jones, Elmo Jones (Killed in WW?) my grandmother couldnt remember which WW. These people were said to come From Roanoke, Virginia a place named Troutville.
My grandmother also gave me names of Nellie’s cousins ((I am assuming were also Jones: Lara and Netta)
The parents of the above was James Robert Jones and Mamie Harshbarger Jones and they were married in 1887 according to some Harshbarger records.
The photo I have attached is Nellie M Jones, Margaret L Barlow (Nellie’s daughter) and Carl B Barlow, Jr (Margaret’s son)
Hi, Katie, Welcome,
Here’s some info from the 1920 & 1910 census:
1920
Roanoke (city of), Va, District 44; 15 January; sheet 17B, Loudon Ave.; visit 275:
JONES, James R.; Carpenter; male, White, 46, m’d; Va, Va, Va.
………., Mammie; wife; female, White, 32; m’d; Va, Va, Va.
………., Clyde; son; male, W, 10, Va.
………., NELLIE; dau; female, W, 8, Va.*******
………., Elmer; son, male, W, 6, Va.
………., Mollie; dau, female, W, 4 months; Va.
1910
Roanoke (city of), Va; District 106; Jefferson Ward; 23 April; sheet 18A; 406 Mountain Ave, S.E.; visit 256:
JONES, James R.; Carpenter; male, White, 32; m’d 1x, Va, Va, Va.
………., Mammie A.; wife, female, White, 22; m’d 1x, Va, Va, Va.
………., Clyde A.; son, male, W, 5 months; Va.
(So, they may have been marr’d about 1908 or 1909.)
I haven’t found James or Mammie in 1900 yet, but haven’t completed the search routine.
An online family tree says Mammie “Alyce” Harshbarger is the dau of a William, b.abt. 1862, who was the son of Henry and Frances (TRAILL) Harshbarger with Henry dying about 1865. (Henry is listed as a son of Jacob Jr, b.1757 Lancaster Co., Pa, d. abt. 1850 in Cloverdale, Va.; and an unknown SELLEBARGER.)
In 1870 Botetourt Co., Cloverdale, Va census, Frances has remarr’d (husband William Gilmer/Gillmer) and William Harshbarger and his siblings are living with them. I haven’t tied Mammie to William Harshbarger yet, so, more later.
Bill
Thank you so much for your help!! Im guessing by the census that they were ‘white’ people and not Indian… Frustrating to find out, but okay. Thanks again for looking into this for me!
Welcome Katie, Jones is a common name among Saponi-derived families (NC/VA Siouan), and WV a common location, so don’t give up. Also, Roanoke, VA is the first place English explorers noted these Indians.
I see you were trying to post a photo. Please send it to me and I’ll upload it for you.
Katie,
There was no “racial category” for “Indian” on those census records.
Even if they had been listed as “Black” or “Martian”, it would not mean they weren’t Indian. It was all the same to local political appointees in the time period of 1870 thru 1920 in that area …. think about it…. you’re a census taker in the South and knock on the door of people who obviously are not “white”. How do you list them?? Unlike today, the census taker made “the decision” then, and they had no particular education in that regard.
….and even if they were, or are now, culturally White or Black, doesn’t mean they weren’t, or aren’t, of Indian descent. Your historical perspective is too narrow…. Jones and Adkins are common names among several Indian groups in the East.
Bill
I know, you are right. I get really frustrated. Adkins is what got me searching for my roots. My husband is Chickahominy.
I grew up as a Powell. I was always told we had indian bloodlines. My grandfather told us his father always told him he was Cherokee. The came from North Carolina, and as far back as I can see inthese census’ there is no listing of indian, only as white. I was also shot down on the theory since one of my Powell’s was a confederate soldier. He is the one that passed the story down of being part indian!
Photo’s of my family show that they dont look like your typical English folk…
I hadn’t brought this side up since the site focuses on Jones, and Saponi vs my NC powell’s, watkins, allens and Roses.
Thank you for the encouragement!! Katie
Katie,
I wasn’t trying to encourage you. Only stating what I know.
On the encouragement side, don’t let anyone intimidate you, either.
Confederate Soldier? And?!? Four Hundred Cherokee enlisted in a Confederate Regiment raised by a White man they thought well of. Go figure…. and the last Confederate General to surrender at the end of the Civil War was General Stand Watie, a Cherokee from Oklahoma. Their decisions wouldn’t be considered “politically correct” today, but we’re discussing a period in time over 140 years ago – different times, different situations. We can’t apply 21st century political pronouncements to 19th century and earlier people, and come up with any kind of understanding of the decisions they made.
I’ve made several comments about what it might mean to have so often found POWELLs related to Eastern mixed-bloods I’ve searched for. Still don’t know what that means for “certain” 🙂
but that relatedness along several migration routes out of Virginia and the Carolinas, does raise a lot of question marks about their origins. Brenda has also commented on this.
ALLENs are “somewhat” 🙂 common on this forum, too. ROSE is not unknown to me, but to leave it at that could be misleading – I haven’t done much research on them in any area.
Would you post more info on your Powell, Allen & Rose lines?
Is there anything else you know about James Robert Jones that you haven’t posted?
Bill
Hey Bill,
I will post my Powell’s, Allens and Roses (I didn’t realize there were so many questions on the same names!)
I do not know much about the Jone’s. My great grandmother Nellie put my grandmother and siblings in an orphanage. My grandmother said she remembered going down and staying with her aunts in Troutville for a summer.
In my search for my Powell line in North Carolina I have come across some Jone’s too. Not my line, Im sure, but I just paid attention to it since it is one of my lines.
I need to go for now and take my son to doctor, but I will get notes out and write about my other lines. It seems that my Powell line was in VA or somewhere other than NC around 1810.
Okay, let’s get the Harshbargers taken care of.
1900 Botetourt Co., Va Census; ED46 Amsterdam Twp; 19 June; Sheet 15B; visit 311 (three related families in same dwelling, the 2nd number being the family number). (All persons and their parents were born in Virginia.)
311, 314
GILLMER, William; Farmer; (born) Aug 1830; 69; m’d 35 yrs.
…………., Francis; wife; Dec 1839; 60; m’d 35, 8 children, 7 living.
(Francis is the widow of Henry Harshbarger, d.abt.1865. Francis & Henry are William Harshbarger’s parents and William Harshbarger is Mamie’s father.)
……, 315
ROSE, Robert; Iron Ore Miner;; Mar 1860; 40; m’d 14;
…….., Missouri C.; wife; Sep 1868; 31; m’d 14; 3 children, 3 living.
…….., Ellen M.; dau; Feb 1888; 12.
…….., Susie L.; dau; May 1892; 8.
…….., William E.; son; May 1897; 3.
(Missouri C. is Missouri Catherine, nee: Harshbarger – see 1880.)
……., 316
HARSHBARGER, William; Farm Laborer; Mar 1861; 39; m’d 19.
……….., Mary C.(?); wife; Mar 1865; 35; m’d 19; 6 children, 5 living
……….., George C.; son; Dec 1885; 14.
……….., MAMIE A.; dau; Aug 1887; 12.*******
……….., Bessie M.; dau; Feb 1890; 10.
……….., William L.; son; Aug 1897; 2.
312, 317
HARSHBARGER, Jacob; Day Lab’r; Apr 1854; 46; m’d 23.
…………, Martha A.; wife; Mar 1852; 48; m’d 23; 4 children, 4 living
…………, John W.; son; Aug 1879; 20.
…………, James O.; son; Jun 1880; 19.
…………, Fleming J.; son; Feb 1883; 17.
TRAIL, Lena; dau; Jun 1895; 4. (“dau” may be incorrect.)
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(In 1860 and 1870, Fleming and Letitia TRAIL lived in Franklin Co., Va., Southwest District and the family of Alexander and Cynthia UNDERWOOD lived with them. Alexander & Cynthia had a 9 yr old dau Martha A., who may be Jacob’s wife. Fleming TRAIL and some of the Franklin Co UNDERWOODs moved to Botetourt Co by the time of the 1880 census.)
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1880 Botetourt Co., Va Census; ED 9 Amsterdam District; 18 June; Sheet 27C & 28A. (All persons and their parents were born in Virginia.) (This looks like 3 related families in the same dwelling, too.)
104, 226
GILMER, William; 34; m’d; Farmer.
…………, Francis; 36; m’d; wife. (widow Harshbarger. Nee: Trail.)
…………, Walter; 13; son.
…………, Catherine; 12, dau. (Missouri C. in 1870 & 1900.)
……, 226
PATTERSON, David; 24; m’d; Farm Laborer.
………………, Martha; 20; m’d; Wife. (nee: Gilmer. See 1870.)
………………, Rosa; 2; dau.
………………, Rossabell; 1; dau.
……., 226
HASHBERGER, Jacob; 24; m’d; Farm Laborer. (William’s brother.)
…………………, Martha; 30; m’d; Wife.
…………………, John; 11 months; son.
…………………, James; 22; Brother.
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1870 Botetourt Co., Va Census; Amsterdam Twp; 27 July; P.O.: Cloverdale, Va.; p. 456A; visit 380, dwelling 380:
GILLMER, William; 29; male, farmer; $2000 R.E.; $600 Pers. Prop.
………….., Frances M.; 35; female.
HARSHBARGER, Jacob H.; 14, m.
………………….., Henry H.; 12, m. (probably same as James, above)
GILLMER, Martha J.; 11, f.
HARSHBARGER, William; 10; m. ******* (Mamie’s father.)
………………….., Harvey; 8, m.
GILLMER, Walter M.; 3, m.
…………., Missouri C.; 2, f.
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1860 Botetourt Co., Va Census; 16 Aug; p.154, visit & dwelling number 1052:
Henry HARSHBARGER; 35; m, – , Farmer, $0, $0, Va.
Frances…………………; 26; f, – , Va. (Nee: TRAIL)
Jacob…………………….: 5; m, – , Va.
Jas. H…………………….; 2, m, – , Va.
(not named)……………; 8 months; Va. (probably William.)
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This Henry Harshbarger is the son of Jacob Jr., b.1757 Lancaster Co., Pa., d. abt.1850 Cloverdale (Botetourt Co.), Va.; and an unknown SELLEBARGER per one World Family Tree.
Jacob Jr., per that Family Tree, is the son of Jacob HARSHBARGER, b.1723 Basil, Switzerland; d. 1790 Pa.; Married about 1752 Maria Eva PETRA, b. abt. 1720 Basil, Switz.; d. 1820.
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Still working on JONES.
Bill
Wow. What a wealth of knowledge you are!
Okay. What I have on my Powell’s is the following:
(*me) Katie Powell Adkins b 7/24/1972
Father: Richard K Powell b 6/3/1952, parents: josephine and Charles Bernard Powell b 3/14/1927
Charles B Powell parents: Thomas Jackson & Lula B Allen Powell
thomas J Powell b 5/17/1898 parents: Edward (Edd) Layfayette Powell & Hattie Vanlandingham Riggan (Regans)
Edd L Powell b 1/30/1866 Parents: E.L. (Edwin) Powel and Lucy T. Powel.
E.L. Powell looks to have been Edwin, born in NC in Apr 1838. His wife, Lucy T., was born in VA in Feb 1842. They were married ca 1865. (She had given birth to six children, four of whom were still living in 1900.) only have record of two children however.
Edd L. married to Hattie Riggan I decend from.
The following is info I just received on my line:
Edwin’s father was probably George W. Powell, born ca 1814 in NC. In 1850 George was farming in the Hayesville district of Franklin County (may have included Bobbitt but I don’t know that for sure). I was unable to make out the given name of Edwin’s mother in the 1850 census (below), but Edwin looks to have had a younger brother named Kinsman. LDS sources, however, give the mother’s name as Quincey Strickland.
There is an Edwin Powell (it looks like Edwin to me on the original) enumerated in the Edwards District of Franklin County in 1830 (also below). He looks to have been born between 1770 and 1780, and had two males in his household born between 1810 and 1815. One may have been George W.’s father.
Ancestry.com Database: 1900 United States Federal Census, April 25, 2005, accessed 10:33 AM
Powell, Edwin L. Head W M Apr 1838 62 M 35 NC NC NC
Lucy T. Wife W F Feb 1842 58 M 35 6/4 VA VA VA
Name: Edwin L Powell
Home in 1900: Kittrell, Vance, North Carolina
Age: 62
Estimated birth year: 1838
Birthplace: North Carolina
Race: White
Relationship to head-of-house: Head
Occupation: View Image
Image source: Year: 1900; Census Place: Kittrell, Vance, North Carolina; Roll: T623 1220;
Page: 8B; Enumeration District: 86.
Source Information: Ancestry.com. 1900 U.S. Federal Census [database on-line]. Provo, UT:
MyFamily.com, Inc., 2004. Original data: United States. 1900 United States Federal Census. T623,
1854 rolls. National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp
Household Record 1880 United States Census
Ed L. POWEL Self M Male W 45 NC Farm Laborer NC NC
Lucy T. POWEL Wife M Female W 44 VA Keeps House VA VA
Ed L. POWEL Son Male W 14 NC At School NC VA
Geo. W. POWEL Son S Male W 8 NC At Home NC VA
Source Information:
Census Place Louisburg, Franklin, North Carolina
Family History Library Film 1254963
NA Film Number T9-0963
Page Number 674A
Ancestry.com Database: 1870 United States Federal Census, accessed April 25, 2005 10:01 AM
Name: Edwin Powell
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1839
Age in 1870: 31
Birthplace: North Carolina
Home in 1870: Harris, Franklin, North Carolina
Family and neighbors: View Results
Race: White
Gender: Male
Value of real estate: View Image
Post Office: Pacific
Roll: M593_1137
Page: 567
Image: 543
Year: 1870
Edwin Powell 31 M W Farmer NC
Lucy 34 F W Keeping House VA
Edwin 04 M W NC
Ancestry.com Database: 1850 United States Federal Census, accessed April 25, 2005 9:59 AM
Name: George W Powell
Age: 36
Estimated birth year: abt 1814
Birth place: North Carolina
Gender: Male
Home in 1850
(City, County, State): Hayesville, Franklin, North Carolina
Page: 350
Roll: M432_630
George W Powell 36 M Farmer NC 1814
S? 40 F NC 1810
Edwin 12 M NC 1838
Kinsman 10 M NC 1840
Emma 05 F NC 1845
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=census/search_census.asp
Household Record 1880 United States Census
Kinsman L. POWELL Self M Male W 39 NC Farmer NC NC
Mary E. POWELL Wife M Female W 33 NC Keeping House NC NC
Bettie M. POWELL Dau S Female W 11 NC NC NC
Mattie C. POWELL Dau S Female W 9 NC NC NC
Florence N. POWELL Dau S Female W 6 NC NC NC
Cecelia A. POWELL Dau S Female W 4 NC NC NC
Alexander S. POWELL Son S Male W 2 NC NC NC
Quincey POWELL Mother W Female W 68 NC NC NC
Serena LASSITER Other Female B 27 NC Farm Laborer NC NC
Source Information:
Census Place Haysville, Franklin, North Carolina
Family History Library Film 1254963
NA Film Number T9-0963
Page Number 534B
http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
FamilySearchâ„¢ International Genealogical Index v5.0 North America
Husband: Kinsman Strickland POWELL
Birth: 1839, Franklin, North Carolina
Christening:
Marriage: 1868 Franklinton, Franklin, North Carolina
Death: 1901
Burial:
Father: George POWELL
Mother: Quincey STRICKLAND
Wife: Mary MOORE Pedigree
Birth: 1847 Franklinton, Franklin, North Carolina
Christening:
Marriage: 1868 Franklinton, Franklin, North Carolina
Death: 1897
Children
1. Betty POWELL Female
Birth: 1868 Franklinton, Franklin, North Carolina
Christening:
Death: 1900
Burial:
2. Mattie C. POWELL Female
Birth: 1870 Franklinton, Franklin, North Carolina
Christening:
Death: 1921
Burial:
3. Florence POWELL Female
Birth: 1874 Franklinton, Franklin, North Carolina
Christening:
Death: 1940
Burial:
4. Cecelia Addison POWELL Female
Birth: 1876 Franklinton, Franklin, North Carolina
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
5. Alexander Somerville POWELL Male
Birth: APR 1879 Franklinton, Franklin, North Carolina
Christening:
Death: 1938
Burial:
6. Rosa POWELL Female
Birth: 1881 Franklinton, Franklin, North Carolina
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
7. Benjamin POWELL Male
Birth: 1882 Franklinton, Franklin, North Carolina
Christening:
Death:
Burial:
Ancestry.com Database: 1830 United States Federal Census, accessed April 25, 2005, 10:52 AM
Name: Powel, Ewers
Township: Edwards District
County: Franklin
State: North Carolina
Year: 1830
Roll: 120
Page: 341
Source Information: Ancestry.com. 1830 U.S. Federal Census [database online]. Provo, Utah:
MyFamily.com, Inc., 2004. Original data: United States. 1830 United States Federal Census. M19,
201 rolls. National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.
Males:(1) 05-10 Females: (3) 15-20
(2) 10-15 (1) 40-50
(2) 15-20
(1) 20-30
(1) 50-60
I have pictures I would love to share as well. I have a hard time uploading them on here for some reason…
Thank you. So now that I have just gotten this Powell info, I look for the earlier ones on the Dawes Roll?
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