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Hi everyone…I have been tinkering with this name due to some friends of mine. I have traced the name as far back as 1940’s then it disappears. It is my understanding that the family came to settle in Oklahoma (Le Flore, County), from Alabama, prior to that they were in Tennessee, prior to that I think they were in Indiana, then in North Carolina.
I cannot find out any information on Emmett (Emmet) Elmer Joice or his family prior to him being in Alabama. His mother was Mary Jackson-Cates/Kates. Somewhere along the line the family suspects that they were registered Choctaw/Cherokee Indians. Supposedly paperwork was spotted in an old trunk in Rosa Newton Joice’s trunk. However, the family denies any connection to the Indians at all.
Nobody knows anything…nobody is saying anything. I am curious as all get out – considering how they appear and disappear. Anybody out there have any possible clues for me.
Jae
Newark, Delaware
Hey! JJ,
Welcome back.
Did you mean you found his trail back to the 1840s instead of the “1940s”?
Found Emmett Joice in 1920 LaFlore Co Okla and 1900 Lawrence Co Tenn and his trail in 1880 Lauderdale Co., Ala when he lived with his mother’s sister Amanda Butler. Think I found his widowed mother (living with Robert Kates) on the same Ala census but the record is so faint I can’t be certain – apparently Emmett’s father died when he was very young. What specific information was found in the trunk?
Bill
Thanks Bill…I had only gotten information to 1940’s. I knew about his mother Mary Jackson Joice Kates. Supposedly she married Robert Kates and had two daughters by him. The story is that paperwork tying them to the Choctaw Nation was in the trunk. I specifically don’t know how true it is – but, that is what some of the family members have said.
Emmett disappears and we do not know who is father is. Prior to living in Lauderdale County we do not know anything about him. Since he is the only Joice that his mother had we thought he might be named after his father. The family changed the spelling of their name after coming to Oklahoma to “Joyce”. Some spell it with a I others with a Y.
Thanks for your help.
More information:
Lauderdale Co., Ala Marriage Records:
Emmett Joyce + Rosa Newton on 16 Dec. 1896.
1910 Lauderdale Co., Ala census; Dist 51 Lexinton, Pct. 3; 15 April; pg.43A:
at 2, 2: (Rosa Newton’s parents)
NEWTON, William A.; Merchant; m, W, 66, m46; Tenn, SC, SC.
(ditto), Mary A.; wife; f, W, 67, m46, 4/3; Ala, SC, SC.
(ditto), William L.; son; m, W, Tenn, Tenn, Ala.
next door at 3, 3:
JOICE, Emmet E.; farmer; m, W, 35, m13; Ms, Unknown, Ala.
(ditto), Rosa E.; wife, f, W, 37; f, W, 37, m13; 7/6; Tenn, Tenn, Ala.
Ruthie O.; dau, 11, Ala.
Albert; son, 9, Ala.
Ernest; son, 6, Ala.
Allison; son, 3, Ala.
Clarence; son, 2, Ala.
Carson; son, 2, Ala.
William A. Newton’s occupation is Dry Goods Merchant.
William & Mary have been married 46 years
Mary A. Newton has had 4 children and 3 are living.
His son Wm. L. is an RFD (Rural Free Delivery) Mail Carrier.
Emmet listed as born in Mississippi (contradicting all other census listings but I think whoever talked to the census taker got his father and mother mixed up as his mother’s sister Amanda Jackson WAS born in Mississippi). They didn’t know where his father was born.
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1880 Lauderdale Co., Ala census; Dist 152, Crittenden Crossroads, Beat # 4; pg.175A, 2 June, at 21, 21:
NEWTON, W. A.; m, W, 36, farmer; Tenn, SC, SC.
(ditto), Mary; f, W, 37, Wife, Ala, SC, SC.
Sarah; f, W, 15, dau, Ala.
John; m, W, 13, son, Ala.
Rosa Ellen; f, W, 7, dau, Ala.*******
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1870 Lawrence Co., TENN census; Civil Dist # 2; P.O.: Lawrenceburg, Tenn; pg.12A, 2 June; at 15, 16:
NEWTON, W.; 26, m, W, farmer, $100, $200, Tenn.
(ditto), Mary A.; 27, f, W, Ala.
Sarah M.; 5, f, W, Ala.
John J.; 2, m, W, Tenn.
Probably William Newton’s parents, at 17, 18, same page:
NEWTON, W. E.; 58, m, W, farmer; $100, $1000, SC.
(ditto), Ruth; 56, f, W, SC.
(ditto), Elizabeth; 16, f, W, Tenn.
(ditto), Mary; 14, f, W, Tenn.
WILLIAMS, Lucy; 19, f, W, Tenn.
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Source: Ancestry.com’s Military Records Database:
World War I Draft Registration Cards, Poteau, LeFlore County, Okla:
(handwriting matches his signature)
Applicant: Emmet Elmore Joice
Residence: Poteau, LeFlore, Okla.
Age: 43
DOB: July 6th, 1875.
Race: White (Indian was also a category)
U.S. Citizen: Yes.
Present Occupation: Farmer.
Employer: Self.
Nearest Relative: R. E. Joice – wife.
……..Poteau, Leflore Okla
Signature: “Emmet Elmore Joice”
Description of Applicant:
Heigth: Medium
Build: Slender
Color of Eyes: Black.
Color of Hair: Brown.
Date of Registration: Sept 12- 1918.
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I think I’ll have more later.
Bill
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