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Can I ask how many of you all suffer from this? As a child growing up, I use to watch my dad take pills because his stomatch never ever seemed to feel good. He drank a lot of milk and graham crackers because of an ulcer. I grew up with milk not agreeing with me ether, so I have switched to rice or soy milk. My brother can get away with those intolerance pills, but I cant.
For me I can not have all the goodies like the chicolate chip cookies, and other stuff. Does anyone have a problem with hot dogs? I can not eat them or smokies. Its like eating a qt. of ice cream.
I sit and think about our familes, how they were taken form their home land, with all the foods that they ate and digested, and the army switched them over to flour and cow meat, and milk. How they must have hurt and suffered from what they ate, besides the way it was going already.
Since I am made with this stuff, I am trying to find out more about what our families prepared for meals. They probably had venison,squash, potatoes (did they have them?) corn. Did they make any kind of breads or little cakes with a corn meal blend? Can I buy that in the store? Can anyone tell me what else of families made then?
Thanks
Sure, corn bread, corn meal mush (aka polenta), fried mush. Corn and beans together make a complete protein. It’s thought fry bread was originally made with acorn flour and bear grease. Iroquoian corn soup is basically hominy. Use the search button to search on “brunswick stew.” That’s an old VA Siouan recipe.
I gotta go. I need to shut the board down and do a backup and upgrade.
Thank you Linda. I would love to learn how to make more dishes that I could eat. Hopefully my husband will like them too.
Hey Kamama,
LI appears to be a normal thing for most folks once they get past the age of around 10 or so. It’s most common in areas where humans don’t depend on raw milk past childhood. It’s needed at birth and early childhood because human milk contains the highest amount of lactose out of all mamalian milk. After a time, the body slows down its manufacturing of the lactase enzyme because a person doesn’t need it anymore.
Have you tried hard cheeses and yogurt? They are usually easier to digest but some people are sensitive to them as well. Have you tried “Lactaid” milk? I had that as a kid and it tastes like any other milk but it wasn’t always effective. I have a terrible time with dairy and my kids can still wheedle me into going to Steak-n-Shake every now and then. Puts new meaning into glutton for punishment.
My grandparents would make cornbread and clabber. The cornbread wasn’t sweet and clabber was really thick buttermilk. Bleuch! Grandpa made fry bread but he called it skillet bread. No bread, cheese, or sugar. No pork, lot of fish, and eggs were considered a blessing. They had juicer, too–just looking at a bottle of V8 now sends a chill through my gut. They’d dehydrate fruit, mince it up and press it into little cakes to eat. A lot of herbal teas, fasting, and purging. I don’t remember a whole lot because I was a little kid but I was always struck at how different they ate from anyone else including my own family. I’m ashamed to say it but I hated going to their house to eat.
My dad had a lot of stomach problems, too. I tell you, that man could swig bottles of Mylanta like it was beer. He had rows of bottles on his dresser. He had an ulcer and gout and it made him really mean at times because of the pain. I don’t think he really got sick until he moved out from his house and his diet changed so drastically.
It’s ironic that corn is one of the most potent food allergies.
I don’t really have LI…but, MSG makes me sick. I have to be careful which hot dogs, seasonings I eat and country ham is off limits, along with most seasoned chips. Ate at Golden Corral last night, and the seasoning on the steak set off the nose thing and the headache.
And I used to have problems with indigestion really bad until I learned some things to help me like eating small meals all along and not eating several hours before bedtime. That way the food doesn’t go back up the esophagus. And sleeping elevated helped with that, too. Stress also makes indigestion worse…the acid level in the stomach increases.
I think I may have lactose intolerance. I know that if I drink too much milk or eat too much ice cream, cheese, or butter then I get sick with headaches, stomach aches and body aches. It can also give me a stuffy nose and allergy like symptoms. I never have been much on drinking milk. I did eat a lot of cereal as a kid and was sick a lot. When I stopped eating cereal and ice cream so much I noticed I didn’t get sick as often. Not sure if that qualifies as an allegy to dairy products or lactose intolerance. My parents always tried to get me to drink glasses of milk as a child because I was enemic a lot. I always resisted and usually won the fight over it. I even remember the time that I was made to sit at the table till I ate my green beans. I was there till after bed time and finally they gave up, lol. My poor parents really had a time getting me to eat.
My dad always was taking Alkacelzer and my mom always was taking Gavisgon tablets. My Papa, my dad’s father, had a cabinet full of TUMS and Alkacelzer. My sister and I both suffer from acid reflux. My sister has had it so bad she had to get a surgery for it. I think a lot of it must be from the preservatives and grease they use to make the foods we eat. I know that I can not eat one donut with out getting acid reflux all day and all night from it. Pizza, chile dogs, and T.V. dinners do the same. I take a generic over the counter form of Tagamet from time to time. I say time to time because I’ve learned what foods to stay away from generally. Of coarse temptation can get too strong and I eat something I know I shouldn’t and then that is when the anti-acid pill comes in handy.
Yep had it I was raised on goats milk, not cows, eggs, and poultry gets to me, for some women in the family they can’t do bananas either.
I have to eat cheese or yogurt to get my “milk” otherwise it still bothers me!
Kamama has a good point in saying that the traditional diets may very well improve the health of indigenous populations.
I remember hearing in the 90’s about the Pima and their high rates of obesity and diabetes on ABC’s 20/20 news program.
At one time,they were eating corn,beans,cactus,small game,and the like.
They also were known for their distance running prowess.They would run several miles to the beanfields and back and there was a relay game where the men would pass a small stick back and forth on their feet.
Said ABC segment indicated that medical doctors and anthropologists believe that the Pima may have adapted over many generations of desert living to sparse food intake and therefore,absorb a greater % of calories eaten than other groups.So,when white flour,white sugar,and pickup trucks
came in,Pima health declined.
They’re attempting to reintroduce running and traditional diet to their people.
I’ve also heard about the rising obesity and diabetes rates among native
Hawaiians.The traditional pesco-vegetarian (fish included) Hawaiian diet is
being reintroduced to aid Hawaiian health.
Myself,I’m an ovo-lacto vegetarian.(eggs and milk included)Since 1989.
When I became 34,I got tired of eating meat because of excessive gas from
it.I never could eat as much meat as most people.
Unfortunately in SE FL,many black Americans thought vegetarianism was
a white thing and somehow that made me a bit of a “tom”.One guy even told
me at a funeral wake that “We’s n—–s here and we eat pork!”;(he was black also)
If many black Americans are descended from West African coastal people,it’s quite likely that some of us might benefit from vegetarian and pesco-vegetarian diets.But,since we are mixed,not every black American will
thrive on that regimen.
Roca 😉
P.S.-Anyone know anything about fish-flavored veggieburgers?I really liked
fish sandwiches and fish sticks when I was a meat eater.
hey folks,
I cannot handle milk but I can eat cheese although not without consquences at times. I do very well with seafood and poultry products but my mother cannot eat shellfish. As for red meat ugh most of the time when I eat it I get sick to my stomach. Salt makes me sick to.
Linda
In my post from 5/11/2006,I believe I may have incorrectly used the name
Pima.
Did some “Googling” today and feel that probably applies to the Zuni and not
the Pima/Tohono-(O’odham).The stick running may well have been ceremonial
and not a “game”.
Roca:(
I am putting in Linda’s reply, in hopes that some of you might be able to help.
Sure, corn bread, corn meal mush (aka polenta),
What is polenta?
=fried mush. Corn and beans together make a complete protein.
What kind of beans would be according as was ate at that time?
=It’s thought fry bread was originally made with acorn flour and bear grease.
Can you buy acorn flour at a speciality store?
= Iroquoian corn soup is basically hominy. Use the search button to search on “brunswick stew.” That’s an old VA Siouan recipe.
🙁 I could not find Brunswick stew in search.
I would like to eat more of these foods of what Linda mentioned. They sound wonderful. Though, I dont think I could find any bear grease.
Polenta is an Italian dish that’s basically mush with a little grated cheese stirred in. Mush is a cornmeal mixture that’s cooked till it’s thickened, then cooled till it stiffens and can be sliced and fried.
Kidney, pintos, I believe green beans. Not sure which are indiginous to this continent, though all beans are good.
Neither acorn flour or bear grease are available anywhere.
I’m sure Brunswick stew is on here somewhere, but it’s not showing up. Trying searching on the word “recipes” or “stew” and a number of threads with recipes will come up.
Lactose intolerance runs rampant thru my family too…I was also raised on goat’s milk…now I do drink milk or soy milk but not without feeling just bloatedly horrid. I nursed all of my children but once they switched out to milk…they too had a horrid time with it…my oldest daughter and youngest 2 still only drink soy milk. My children and I truly have boatloads of allergies and must avoid plenty. I remember getting a “common allergent: test when I was about 7…they put little patches all over my torso and I went back to have them “read” by the nurse and I was allergic to 118 of the 184 common allergents…some including: Milk, eggs, grass, pollen, mold, cat fur, oranges. I used to get allergy injectiosn for years otherwise I would literally get hives so severely I would have hives on top of hives and swell horribly…right around the age of 13 and puberty I no longer needed (or wanted) teh shots so I’ve been shot free since that time but I still do take allergy meds time and again.
Meals at our house growing up were quite varied (my mother was a chef) and I do recall ALWAYS having bread of some variety with every single meal…I still am a “carb-a-holic” even though it doesn’t really agree with me…odl habits die hard I suppose *shrugs*. Skillet bread was a fave…and corn pones…corn fritters (yum)…and drop biscuits too. I can relate to the sitting up til you ate your food thing that was mentioned…I’d OFTEN fall asleep at the table with dad angry at my disinterest in eating this or that. I’ve never been much of a meat eater and I did not introduce meat to my children until after they were at least 2…they are not big “meat heads” either…preferring fresh fruits and veggies. Mom used to make all kinds of things that my friend’s families never ate: hominy, grits, prairie oysters, mush, fritters and something I cannot recall what she called it but it was a yellowish sauce with bits of some kind of minced meat in it and she poured it over thick pieces of oven baked bread and plopped a tomatoe slice on it…man that was the worst stuff. She also made stuffed grape leaves that even the dog wouldn’t eat! We ate alot of greens, ranging from Kale to spinach to dandelion greens too…mom used to talk about picking greens and making dandelion wine in KY…we had wine as children too, at supper in little tiny glasses so I’m not certain if that was because of my mother’s roots or because my dad had a drinking problem. Potatoes seemed to often be a part of our meals as well. Gravies too….red eye and atop meats or veggies or breads…some variety of grease gravy…mom always had just oodles of tubs or jars of gravy resting on the back top of the stove so who knows what it was comprised of. I always felt liek we ate quite well compared to others…I know we were rather poor but I can say this: all my life we ALWAYS had various and sundry neighbors, friends and family over for meals…often perfect strangers too…dad bringing one or more in from the street (literally). My all time favorite “sweet” or treat that mom made was her potato/peanut butter candy…I now make it regularly in her absence. Thanks for the food ear…blessings to all~~~~Laurie
Laurie, You have a had hard time with allergies. My sister in law who is from Liverpool England came over here, to California. There are a lot of foreign plants and bugs here that isnt in the rest of the United States. She was allergic to everything. She had to take a pill, I forget if it was a clariton, its one of those they advertised a lot. But she had to take it by 9PM or she would start sneezing pretty badly. She had taken an allergy test to find out. I have taken one of those allergy tests, where they feel like they press a comb into your arm, and then they had to do an indivual shot in a circle to tell. I am highly allergic to dust mites. Out here in CA it is always so dry and dusty and I am a custodian. It gets hard at times. Humidty to me back east is great for me.
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