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My Great Aunt gave a lot of her genealogy years ago and she had a handwritten note in the stack of papers that our
John Nichols changed his name to John and had 2 families of
children one of Nichols (which I am from) and one of Green.
Does any of this sound right?
Skydancer
Skydancer,
I am confused. Can you explain this a little more? I don’t know of any other Nichols connection other than what I listed, but I am by no means an expert. I only have what I found in The Green Tree and a cousin’s Green genealogy. I am sure that there might be others that I don’t know. The Greens are several generations back for me – I am descended from, I think it would be John’s sister, Elizabeth Green, who would be my ggggggrandmother. Interesting to the Bilderbeck story is that the family thinks Elizabeth Green was not wholly white which means that John was not either.
Cindy
I think this is directed at Bill…I see in a post to Skydancer you talked about the spelling of the name. I have a couple of questions I don’t know if you can answer. First, do you know if the Sinkey name is one that is suspected to be Saponi? Those of you in this forum seem to know what names are Suponi. Where do you find that info? Second, I have a theory. Actually, Cindy started the theory and I have been looking at supporting info for that theory. Our family tradition says that 4 brothers came from Ireland in 1735 to New Castle, DE from Ireland. There is nothing out there to support that. There was however, a Rev Richard SANKEY that arrived in New Castle in 1735 from Ireland and that is documented. His church was on Sinking Creek and Paxton and Derry I think were meeting houses for his church. 14 members of his church were killed by Indians and he left and went to Virginia taking 30-35 families of his church with him. He went to Prince Edward Co., Virgina right by Occennechi State Park. I think Richard SINKEY may have assumed a version Rev Richard Sankey’s name. Cindy also suspects that Richard Sinkey’s wife Bridget was a Green.
Deb
That little difference in spelling from those days is nothing. Think about it, Southerners pronounce Sinkey, “Sankey.” Do you know where in Prince Edward? Was Prince Edward County bigger then? Nowadays, it’s a few counties over from where Occoneechee State Park is.
I agree that Sankey/Sinkey were probably just variations of the same name and I recall that I did find it spelled both ways for the same persons – don’t recall which Sinkey it was. Since it was a “spelen er’r”, it didn’t matter.
According to the “Redbook” of “American State, County & Town Sources”, many of the counties in this area of Virginia have common roots in Warrosquyoake, which was renamed Isle of Wight County in 1637.
Brunswick County was created from parts of Isle of Wight & Prince George counties in 1720 but Brunswick county government was not organized until 1732, leaving records prior to 1732 in its parent counties.
From Brunswick Co., Amelia Co. was created in 1735 and from Amelia, Prince Edward Co was created in 1754. So, imagine someone who lived in a spot that became present-day Prince Edward County… Between 1720 and 1732 that person would have been living in Brunswick Co., and from 1732 to 1735 it would have been Amelia Co and between 1735 to 1754 it would have been Amelia Co, and finally in 1754 it became Prince Edward —- without the person having moved.
Other counties in this area:
Lunenberg Co was created in 1745/6 and Southampton in 1749,
both from Brunswick
Halifax Co created 1752 from Lunenberg.
Charlotte Co created 1765 from Lunenberg.
Nottoway Co created 1789 from Amelia.
Bill
What about the name Hanchey? Have you heard
of that name?
I have
Daniel Hanchey@ 1786 NC married Sarah Rice @ 1791 NC
daughter Elizabeth Hanchey Oct 14, 1814 NC
married William E. Nichols.
Skydancer
Skydancer:
I am looking at my Green genealogy and see a person who lives near one of the Mitchell families who intermarry with the Greens. The name is Hancy, although the author notes that it is hard to read and might be Nancy. The note says Albert Hancy who was born in 1849 in Michigan. His parents were born in Vermont. Nothing else.
I find it interesting that someone posted the maiden name of Charles Bilderbeck’s wife here. As I read the stories of him, I always wondered why it was that his wife, Ruhama Nichols, was spared when they were both captured. And I wondered why she felt safe to return to Ohio later when she married John Green. Very interesting that the name Nichols has turned up on this forum.
For anyone reading this, Charles Bilderbeck was the first soldier to begin the massacre at Gnaddenhutten. He was later captured and killed. His wife was also captured but spared and returned east where she married a brother to my direct ancestor and returned with him to Ohio.
Techteach
Tech Teach I wish I could say more here. I have
been told it is a well known fact that the Nichols
were indians. This is as far back as my Great Aunt
could get on these lines and I have not been able
to go any further either. I have the note and
have it scanned if you would like a copy so that
you can see it.
Skydancer
Skydancer:
That was what I had theorized when I read the Bilderbeck story, that she was at least mixed. The Greens were supposed to have been Indian too. John, Ruhama’s second husband, came west with Ebenezeer Zane.
Techteach
With what the note says “He changed his name from John Nichols to John Green. He had 2 families of children. “
So there has to be a connection there if we could find it.
It seemed as if she had talked to some of the old people and
wrote this note to herself..William E. Nichols was her
(Great Aunt) ggGrandfather: John E. Nichols gGrandfather:
John Ashberry Nichols her Grandfather. I don’t know which
John though. I am almost certain it is John Ashberry.
Skydancer
Do you know who John Green’s wife was? Was it Ruhama? Certainly, she had two families of children. She had those of Charles Bilderbeck whose daughter Martha goes on to marry into the Green family and, I believe, a son, whose name I do not remember. But he would be a Bilderbeck. Then Ruhama would have had those of John Green, at least I assume so. I cannot remember for sure. Maybe I need to double check “The Green Tree.” I am pulling this from memory and might be remembering what I do remember correctly.
Cindy
This is actually all I know..and only knew that from
Aunt Bea’s notes. Yep her name was Beatrice Sweeney.
She was one sweet lady. I loved her a lot.
Skydancer
Skydancer:
Do you have dates for your John Green? I could see if there is a comparison that way.
Cindy
John Ashberry Nichols maybe Green 1843-1919
His daughter Ellen Nora Elizabeth Nichols was my
ggGrandmother. I think I put one extra John in
a few minutes. William is John A.’s father.
Skydancer
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