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Tahwey;33498 wrote: These are my ancestors that I am researching. The numbers are just my way of seeing the generation levels. As you will notice, my lines tie in together with a lot of the same families. My current project is finding my Moses Freeman’s parents so I can try and make a connection with someones Freeman line
Although the Freeman name is not in my tree it comes up for several of my DNA cousins. Enough times that I’ve been wondering what the connection is. These cousins all list family locations such as Guilford, Randolph, and other NC counties, Edgefield SC, various VA and GA counties. I’m not seeing Napper or Thacker surnames in these cousins profiles though. I am seeing Brabham and reading this thread suspect it might be a variant of Branham.
Looking on Ancestry I see Moses Freeman’s parents listed as James Freeman 1750-1826 and Sarah Robinson 1752-1831, both of Bedford, Franklin, VA.
MarcSnelling;38030 wrote: Although the Freeman name is not in my tree it comes up for several of my DNA cousins. Enough times that I’ve been wondering what the connection is. These cousins all list family locations such as Guilford, Randolph, and other NC counties, Edgefield SC, various VA and GA counties. I’m not seeing Napper or Thacker surnames in these cousins profiles though. I am seeing Brabham and reading this thread suspect it might be a variant of Branham.
Looking on Ancestry I see Moses Freeman’s parents listed as James Freeman 1750-1826 and Sarah Robinson 1752-1831, both of Bedford, Franklin, VA.
Thanks Marc. I have seen the reference to James and Sarah but have never seen any kind of documentation as a source. The Napper and Thacker surnames are out of Louisa County Virginia as are the Branhams. All of these names are spelled several different ways. My earliest documentation for Moses Freeman and Family is in Vinton County Ohio 1850 census and listed as born in Virginia. Thanks for checking Ancestry for me. I no longer subscribe to them.
Hello
If you have not seen my intro post from about a week ago, I should be a 4 gr-grandson of David Thacker and Sally Lemay. However, my YDNA ties to no known Thacker profile whatsoever; my links are primary to Sanders, as well as a Swift, and then a couple of Knuckles whose own profiles also tie to Sanders.
In my search for a Sanders/Saunders link I have been very fortunate to meet-up with 3 people who are Sanders or married-into Sanders, including a Justin Sanders in Phoenix who has been a great help. Today he forwarded me a link to the will of a George Thompson, d abt 1777, wherein he lives the cash of his estate to Daniel King, Thomas Moody, Christopher Sanders and Ambrose Thacker.
http://interactive.ancestry.com/48645/VASoldiers1776-001573-1312/?backlabel=ReturnBrowsing
As soon as I Google Christopher Sanders and Ambrose Thacker, I am led to a compiled list of Sprouse/Sprouce events, which naturally includes Thacker entries. Both a Christopher Sanders and an Ambrose Thacker included. I’ve seen the site in the past, and I know there is some kind of odd behavior with Sprouse/Sprouce and Thacker surnames, but after I had no DNA links to Sprose I never gave it another thought. Now that there might be a link to a Sanders in this grouping, naturally I am revisiting the connection.
Does anyone know and understand the Sproce-Thacker connection? I have a spreadsheet (at home) where I started to compile entries from tax listings and such. I believe a listing of Sprouse in late 1600s Fluvanna County included children with last name of Thacker. I’ll have to get back into that when I get home this afternoon.
Poverty’s Daughter;33710 wrote: ….I’ve made a little progress. I know, for example, that Sally Lemay Thacker is the biological aunt of the Napper children. I know that Malachi Dorton is the biological uncle of both Robert and David Thacker’s children. And I know that Catherine Thacker is the biological aunt of Thomas Thacker’s children.
After that I am stumped. Any suggestions or collaboration would be welcomed.
Hi. Still around?
I should be direct male descendant down this line. Can I ask how you ‘knew’ the information above on who was what relation? Records another person has acquired would seem to support your statements, but I’m curious what information you may posses.
As noted, I should be a descendant -going backwards- from James M Thacker Sr – Wilmer C Thacker – Thomas Elton Thacker – Thomas B Thacker – Thomas B Thacker. In addition to the who late 17002/early 1800s mess, I am not convinced that Thomas Elton Thacker was the son of Thomas Thacker. Elton (he wasn’t called Thomas Elton until later in life) simply appears on the 1880 census as a 13 year old, along with Thomas and Michel (Wickersham – who was not Elton’s mother). In 1870 Thomas is back living with his parents after returning from the Civil War. No sign of a wife or Elton. And, in 1930, Elton stated his mother was Elizebeth (sic) Huff. The same one as married Ellis Thacker? Don’t know….
KarlT;38326 wrote: Hello
If you have not seen my intro post from about a week ago, I should be a 4 gr-grandson of David Thacker and Sally Lemay. However, my YDNA ties to no known Thacker profile whatsoever; my links are primary to Sanders, as well as a Swift, and then a couple of Knuckles whose own profiles also tie to Sanders.
In my search for a Sanders/Saunders link I have been very fortunate to meet-up with 3 people who are Sanders or married-into Sanders, including a Justin Sanders in Phoenix who has been a great help. Today he forwarded me a link to the will of a George Thompson, d abt 1777, wherein he lives the cash of his estate to Daniel King, Thomas Moody, Christopher Sanders and Ambrose Thacker.
http://interactive.ancestry.com/48645/VASoldiers1776-001573-1312/?backlabel=ReturnBrowsing
As soon as I Google Christopher Sanders and Ambrose Thacker, I am led to a compiled list of Sprouse/Sprouce events, which naturally includes Thacker entries. Both a Christopher Sanders and an Ambrose Thacker included. I’ve seen the site in the past, and I know there is some kind of odd behavior with Sprouse/Sprouce and Thacker surnames, but after I had no DNA links to Sprose I never gave it another thought. Now that there might be a link to a Sanders in this grouping, naturally I am revisiting the connection.
Does anyone know and understand the Sproce-Thacker connection? I have a spreadsheet (at home) where I started to compile entries from tax listings and such. I believe a listing of Sprouse in late 1600s Fluvanna County included children with last name of Thacker. I’ll have to get back into that when I get home this afternoon.
Karl, I compared you and me (F248753) on Gedmatch and if I lower the thresholds a little, we match on several different chromasomes. The only Sprouse connection I have is a James Sprouse married to a Massie Thacker. Their Daughter Rachel married a William Dorton. Williams parents were John Dorton and Mary Branham.
Tahwey;38587 wrote: Karl, I compared you and me (F248753) on Gedmatch and if I lower the thresholds a little, we match on several different chromasomes. The only Sprouse connection I have is a James Sprouse married to a Massie Thacker. Their Daughter Rachel married a William Dorton. Williams parents were John Dorton and Mary Branham.
Until 10 days ago I thought my line was:
Thomas B Thacker and Nancy Ann Vaughn
>David Thacker and Salley Lemay
>>Mary Branham Dalton and Unknown
However, new evidence suggests that David Thacker, abt 1795, and Thomas B Thacker, Dec 1809, were half-brothers, NOT father and son. How this fits into whatever combination of fathers and mothers- who knows…..
My first thought was ‘Well, Mary must be the common link, and that would explain why my YDNA is not matching to other known Thacker’. However, Mary did not include Thomas when she deeded land in her will to several Daltons, and ‘Robert and David Thacker’, all as part of ‘my children’. We know David, Robert and Thomas all continue on, so it’s not a case of names such as ‘Robert Thomas Thacker’, etc.
Do we:
-Assume David and Robert at least had the same mother, but father unknown to us. Explains pairing on deed.
-Assume it was believed at the time Thomas had the same father as David and Robert? Is it simply a case of Thomas’ mother thinking Xxxxx Thacker was the father, but he truly wasn’t?
Also, Benjamin Branham’s will in 1795 included Mary when written, but when proved she is not listed- Jonathan is…. Annis is also not listed when proved. Did Mary and Annis, along with Benjamin Jr, all die spring/summer of 1795? If Mary did die in 1795, she certainly was not Thomas’ father. Robert gives his birthdate as 1800, but that could have simply been an error.
In later years. Catharine Thacker, abt 1815, is living with Thomas. All indications are she was his sister. Then after Thomas dies, Catharine is living with a Margaret Thacker, and they are listed as sisters. I’ve seen a tree with Catherine listed as the daughter of David and Salley, but there was nothing to support this claim.
Some of the basics need to be established for people. For example, many have David listed as being born in 1781. In every single census for David, he is either ‘ticked’ as being in an age range that makes his DOB 1791-1799, or he gives an actual age that makes his DOB as 1791 or 1795. I just can’t believe he’d be off by a decade on his birth.
He is also shown as having fought in the Civil War. There is nothing to support this. Everything indicates he dies before the war. Also, if he had been alive, he would have been 65 to 70 years old. (79 if you take those who have his DOB as 1781) Unfortunately some of this information is public and steering people in the wrong direction.
Much work to be done….
Tracing a Jones line back from Indiana I came across this site:
http://www.galliagenealogy.org/Census%201820/blackcensus.htm
This Jones line were said to be in Gallia County before continuing to Indiana in 1834.
Looking at the 1830 and 1840 lists I see a lot of familiar names, besides Thacker, Napper, Freeman and Jones, there are Allen, Bowen, Bunch, Carter, Chavis, Childers, Collins, Dungee, Goen, Harris, Lee, Lewis, Lucas, Richardson, Ruckman, Shaver. These lists are less than a hundred people – thats a lot of names.
Another cousin joined our DNA project – she is a cousin two ways through our Brower and Gates lines. Her DNA results show several cousins with Thacker and Napper ancestors, although not Freeman ancestors like we have. She did hers on Ancestry, don’t have a GedMatch for her yet.
I’ve posted more detailed information on my original introduction post. Short story: My YDNA break to Swift occurs with the birth of my great-grandfather, Wilmer C Thacker, b. 1911, Knox County, Missouri.
One note of new information from above: David Thacker, abt 1790-1795, was NOT THE FATHER of Thomas Benjamin Thacker, 1809. Civil War pension investigation deposition statements by both family and friends say they were half-brothers. Terry Snyder has information posted to her Thacker Chronicles blog.
Thank you everyone.
I got my cousin’s kit up on GedMatch A248622. You do not match her on any large segments, but have a total of 51.9 cM in smaller 3-5cM, 500-700 SNP matches. Definitely from the same ancestral groups. As for common ancestors it would take some more research to know for sure.
Interesting. Since the time of my post & your reply a few months ago, I have connected with a relative from the Cunningham line. He is actively seeking relatives, so I’m sure he won’t mind me mentioning his info here.
Larry Cunningham, A844314
One that I’ll mention because she is actively looking for her lost/unknown paternal family: M798033
It looks as though we may connect through the Cunningham line, but since she is building a line from scratch, it’s a jigsaw without a guide picture at this point.
And my the cousin from my grandfather’s sibling: A171884.
They DO match to the 4 Vinton, Ohio/Louisa, Virginia Thacker profiles managed by ‘katyzulu’, which is expected; they are cousins as well. However, I do not match to a single one of the 4 profiles, part of what helped narrowed the NPE to the birth of my grandfather. (I do have links to the siblings offspring, the great-grandmother’s lines, etc)
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Running the two samples against my cousin and I there are no large matches. There are a number of smaller matches, particularly between Larry Cunningham and my Gates-Brower cousin. There is a total of 56.4cM shared with the biggest segment being 5.5 cM. She shares 50.6 cM with your cousin CSheehan with the biggest segment being 4.9 cM.
By comparison I match 26.4 cM to Larry Cunningham with the biggest being 5.0 cM, and have only one small 3.3 cM match to CSheehan.
I don’t have a Genome Mate DB configured for my cousin to triangulate her sections.
On my biggest 5.0cM match to Larry Cunningham on chromosome 4 from 147-154 I also match samples from FTDNA named Kelley, Estabrook, Bailey and Reed. This section also matches the NE1 and BR2 Archaic samples 7,200yo and 3,200yo samples from modern day Hungary.
Right next to this from 155-161 I have a 4.8cM match with TechTeach’s mother. The FTDNA names on the matching kits are Swearingen, Benham, Chute, Weeks, Miller, Murdock, High, Crow, Tidd, Carran, Whitehead, Richards, and Smith.
Bailey, Miller and Smith are all in my tree. Swearingen is not but I see them in the same communities as my ancestors.
Larry Cunningham has more matches to TechTeach’s mother, A231339 Vera Carpenter (67.9 cM > 3cM, largest = 6.3cM) than my cousin.
My cousin is closer to CSheehan than TechTeach’s mother (29.3cM, largest, 5.3cM)
My cousin has (46.1cM > 3cM, largest 4.6cM) in common with TechTeach’s mother, my mother has (17.5cM > 3cM, largest 4.8cM), and I have (15.7cM > 3cM, largest 4.8cM).
My cousin is connected to us on Brower and Gates lines which are both on my g-grandmother Inez Smith’s side. This line and the lines of Inez Smith’s husband Marion Potter are the ones I also suspect I connect to TechTeach on. Between my cousin and I, our largest match is 9.8cM.
If I ever get the Ancestry Potter DNA match to upload to Gedmatch, I will let you know. I do not have Potter DNA isolated on Genome Mate. I just do not have time to work on Genome Mate, and to make it work for you, it seems you need to test several relatives. Notwithstanding the cost, my great-grandfather was estranged from the Potters and Sinkeys. My uncle thinks it was the Indian, but his half-great-uncle was an Iowa state legislator. Weird. Oh, wait. That line brings up another Potter possibility for Gedmatch. I will check when I have time if I connected via DNA or something else.
Techteach
MarcSnelling;38665 wrote: Tracing a Jones line back from Indiana I came across this site:
http://www.galliagenealogy.org/Census%201820/blackcensus.htm
This Jones line were said to be in Gallia County before continuing to Indiana in 1834.
Hi Marc,
Was your Jones line in Lunenburg County, Virginia? I ask because the Cordell family that was in Greene and Darke Counties in Ohio passed through Gallia County from Lunenburg County, Virginia. Some of them were there in the 1830’s, but most were there sometime between 1841-1848. I have one of the Cordell’s death record and it states that his father was a Jones.
Stacey
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