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Hi,
I have some information on Hannah love. My linage is through her brother Joseph Love. Fathers name James Allison Love.
If you are decended from John Austin’s first Sopony wife then he had two children with her. John Austin Jr and Valentine. That differs from the above info above. I dont know which is correct. There is not as much info on them but there is a good site with a bit more to track at:
http://www.nicholsgenealogy.net/nichols/austin/austin
Good hunting!
I would love to know more as you find it.
Janette
Excerpt from…
MARRIAGE-CHILDREN-INDIAN ANCESTRY: “Some researchers have indicated that John Austin, Sr. had a second wife, or mistress that was a
Saponi. No record has ever been found to support this except for the fact that John, Jr. identified himself as a Saponi at a court hearing in Surry
County. Valentine was also identified as an Indian at a court hearing in Surry County. Later, it was discovered that Richard (son) and Joseph were
identified by the state of Virginia as Melungeons (Not of pure European blood). Since four of the five known children have been identified as
“mixed blood” it is felt that there was only one mother for all the known children.” (A Charles Edwin Austinstatement).
?????? Saj
I found out yesterday that one of my descendants(from the Walker side) was on a role for the Arizona Mualaipai in the 1850s. I wonder if there may have been some connection with you family’s migration, or perhaps a group of families or a slow group by group migration out to there.
I have not found the link yet, but somehow they were connected with the group of Rice Walkers, from a group of Oujibe that branched off and were associated with the Chippewa. One of them later married to an Arapaho/Cheyenne woman from the Myers family who was my ggrandmother. I am wondering if perhaps those families knew of each other from a previous migration from the Saponi or Blackfoot region in Va, Md, or Pa areas.
The other odd thing is the number of Portch’s that pop up in the census reports for the same areas as those reservations whose birth dates predate the resevrations being formed but were apparrently natives trying to live off reservation. That line actually looks more indian than the verified reservation role member I have.
Hello, I just joined and this is my first post. I have researched the Austin line for about 15 years on and off…
I am a descendant of John Austin and his Saponi Inidan wife, through their son, John Austin Jr
1 John Austin & Saponi Indian
2 John Austin & Mary McBee
3 Stephen Austin & Dorcas Pinson
4 Saunders Austin & Nancy Qualls
5 Stephen Austin & Anna Lamb
6 John Austin & Eliza Qualls
7 Henry RH Austin & Rosa
8 Edd Austin & Pearl Yancey
9 Howard Austin & Doris
10 Wanda Austin Nelson(me)
I grew up in MS, about 12 miles from Shiloh, Tn, in Hardin Co TN
where my 5 g grandfather, Stephen, is buried.
Stari, have you searched on Hardin county, TN, with the forum’s search feature. That county has come up often. If a migration from VA to TN of a group of families surrounding yours were to be identified, your family’s identification would help establish all of those family’s origins, to some degree.
George, my first reaction would be that your family has a great complexity to it in terms of tribes intermarried there, which would be quite a tale to unfold. But those migrations you’re mentioning don’t correspond to anything we’ve seen typical to the Virginia Siouan.
Linda, according to family legend, “Supposingly, from family stories, the Austin, Qualls, Lamb, and Cossey
families came down together in a wagon train, with other families. If I
remember kinda correct, the Austin line was the wagon makers, the Qualls
were blacksmiths, the Lamb may have been in grocery, and the Cossey line
was the mule breakers. That’s what my grandfather did when he was
younger, and from what stories I’ve heard, the “jobs” are correct, but
may be placed with the wrong families. The Qualls went on over to AR and
OK, with some Cossey lines, but there are still some in and around
Savannah,TN.”
This was taken from a the notes of a professional Austin genealogist.
It is not really that complex Linda, pretty simple really. All of the tribal intermarrying, with one exception where the two were on the same rez living on lots just a few houses from each other which easily explains that, as far as I am aware, took place post rez times for my family in the DC area.
I also found some very nice and receptive people on the various rez, who are not into mocking others and calling them names, who all know of families with names matching mine. I think the response some are getting has to do more with the type of person or group they are dealing with on the rez and their attitude and character. I wish people did not have to get so ugly about it all.
Unless they had gone west earlier on and been absorbed by other tribes somehow.
All but one of the tribes there was near or right along the Cumberland Gap trail that went from MD to Washington State. Not sure how that migration path lines up with your group’s paths. It would be interesting to look at some maps with migration routes and dates on them.
Linda wrote:
George, my first reaction would be that your family has a great complexity to it in terms of tribes intermarried there, which would be quite a tale to unfold. But those migrations you’re mentioning don’t correspond to anything we’ve seen typical to the Virginia Siouan.
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