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Thanks for the site link, Brenda. I’ve made myself a print out. It’s so confusing tryingto keep all those Simeons and Johns straight.
Well, the search to unravel my elusive g-grandfather’s past has become a bit more complicated. The census records and information from his kids state that he was born in Virginia. So, I sent away for a copy of his birth certificate. Well, I received a letter from the Virginia records department stating there is no VA birth record for Hibbard Thacker. Talk about frustrating! I had hoped the birth record would shed some light on who his mother was and possibly who witnessed his birth. No such luck.
I know that no proof of his birth doesn’t mean he wasn’t born in VA – especially since his mother was not married to his father. I know records were kept in the county were he was supposedly born; my g-grandmother (his wife) was born in the same county two years later and I have a copy of her birth record. Given the fact that most of his life and his family history is buried in shadows and secrets, this only adds more questions to my already long list of who exactly he was.
Grandfather Thacker did have a Social Security number that was issued in VA. I’m curious as to how he got that number. I thought that a person had to show a birth certificate in order to get a Social Security number? Does anybody know if that was true in the early days of Social Security?
SOCIAL SECURITY:
I know a bit about this topic cause we did some research on birth records and such through the Social Security Department. Yes anyone getting SS had to have a birth record. This could be a birth certificate, or an affidavit from friends and relatives, or a delayed birth record. The Social Security Department does have record of these transactions, however, getting them to admit to being able to access these records is another matter entire. It may be end up being something like envoking the Freedom of Information Act plus being a direct relative to dig it up from them directly. There is good news though. You can send a request to Washington D.C. to get delayed birth records.
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I can not remember the address so please contact Donna Tower. She is my cousin in Ohio. Her e-mail address is
she will be glad to help you out with it.
This is my cousin that has been helping me out with the Saponi and Cherokee lines of the Collins and Johnson families. She is a good resource for most of all these questions posted.
from social security you need to get copy of ss-5 request form L-997 “social security number record-third party request for extract or photocopy” if you know number cost is $7 if known $16 for unknown ss#when completed form is to be mailed to office of central records operations social security administration baltimore MD 21201 allow 4-6 weeks if person is still living they must sign persmission and need two witnesses if social security never received notification of death your request will be denied they will still send you a letter explaining denial.happy hunting hope this helps. Also remember that census records before birth record are the birth certificates.Sometimes they are not correct if no one was home they could get informaiton from neighbors.
Linda, sorry to reply so late…I just read this posting. Could you give me the given names and dates and location of your HUDSON’s? Mine are:
Charley HUDSON, wife Eunice b. circa 1867 San Augustine, TX
parents???
brother, Burl HUDSON, b. 1867, San Augustine, TX
Isn’t that a shame, that’s all I have to go on…bummer.
MmeTroislangues
Hey, or better yet, didn’t you have that info on a genealogy site somewhere? Do you have a GEDcom?
Troislangues
Crystal, are you researching THACKER’s in other states? Found some in my ancestors’ state of Texas:
1850 San Augustine Co., TX Federal Census
I.H and Susan Thacker, #354A …born in AL, Mi.
http://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/tx/sanaugustine/census/1850/pg0342b.txt
Also, SK Publications has sent me entire census information for free..doc.attachment. http://www.skpub.com/genie/census.html
I found a slew of MULLINS in Ashe Co., N.Carolina:
ftp://ftp.us-census.org/pub/usgenweb/census/nc/ashe/1850/indx-m-p.txt
I realize I am posting much these days but I keep finding things I believe will be useful to someone else.
I have Thacker family from VA also. They married Hensons and a Ruth Bowles b 1739 who is according to some sources from Chote Town. Tell me what you have and we can compare.
Thacker is a pretty easy name to trace. This last post has definitely caught my eye. Thacker marrying Bowles, variant of Bowling/Bolling. Ron, I hope you are seeing this. Especially at this early date also. I’d like to see what you have on this Thacker/Bowles line.
I don’t have much info on the Thacker/ Bowles line. This is all…..
Benjamin Thacker Sr.
b abt 1739 Hanover Co., VA
d abt 1798 Albemarle Co., VA
m. Ruth Bowles
b abt 1739 Chote Town
d abt 1767 Goochland Co., VA
William Thacker
b abt 1710-1720
d 1761 in VA
m (unknown Cherokee)
b unknown
d unknown
That is as far back as the records for that family go. I think it is possible she is Chief Bowles older sister or cousin. There are several Thacker, Henson and Bowles lines among the Choctaw and Cherokee.
There is a 1840’s Ohio Supreme Court Case involving a mixed race Thacker from Virginia. I believe it is Thacker v. Hawk. 1841 or so. I have seen it cited in a number of Midewestern cases involving racial identity. Might be of interest to you.
I’m really curious about these Cherokee wives of these men. Maybe they are instead Saponi or remnant groups from the Powhatan tribes. Anyone have any thoughts?
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