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Linda;38379 wrote: So what test/tests would my family need to invest in to find out as much? My mom’s 93. What would be the most useful test to do with her while we’re still so lucky to have her around?
FTDNA or 23andMe autosomal for $99 is the best place to start. Then upload it to GedMatch and download cousin data to see who the closer cousin groups are.
My mother has ordered the $199 mtDNA test from FTDNA, which we are hoping will tell us more about her direct maternal line Catherine Hutson Thomas b.1783 MD. We did our previous tests with 23andMe.
The more expensive test analyzes faster changing parts of the DNA to identify more recent cousins on the direct female line.
When and where was the picture in post #14 taken? My grandfather is named Henry Allen Newton. My grandmother was Odell Lunsford. Great grandma was Cozart. …….. so your Parrish line makes us family.
On another note….. I’m about ready to jump on the DNA boat, also.
Dreaminghawk;38381 wrote: When and where was the picture in post #14 taken? My grandfather is named Henry Allen Newton. My grandmother was Odell Lunsford. Great grandma was Cozart. …….. so your Parrish line makes us family.
On another note….. I’m about ready to jump on the DNA boat, also.
It was taken 1948 in Stem, Granville Co, NC.
When I saw Cozart I figured you was kin. Think there is a Mangum somewhere in the tree too.
The Franklin and Coley names are in our line of Bessie Mae Gates b.1882 Delaware Co, IN. She married Dora MCS Smith, the one who carried our Blackfoot oral history. There are others researching the Gates line that say it is strictly European. Personally I am not convinced as there are many surnames seen here. Not all lines of a given surname are mixed necessarily, but the more names you see the more likely it seems.
Bessie Mae Gates is on my mother’s direct maternal line. So we should learn more about her after her mtDNA test.
Bessie’s known maternal ancestors are:
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Lydia Heaton b.1842 Delaware IN
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(Robert Walburn – kin to Pera)|
Experience “Pera” Walburn b.1816 Xenia, Greene, OH
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Catherine Hutson Thomas b.1783 MD
FTDNA or 23andMe autosomal for $99 is the best place to start.
Okay, so you’re saying the autosomal test at either FTDNA or 23andME would help us find cousins? We did the MtDNA and were discouraged, but I already suspected that the last known person in that line likely Native was male, so the MtDNA would take us on to Europe.
Linda;38384 wrote: Okay, so you’re saying the autosomal test at either FTDNA or 23andME would help us find cousins? We did the MtDNA and were discouraged, but I already suspected that the last known person in that line likely Native was male, so the MtDNA would take us on to Europe.
The mtDNA gives you more detail, but just of the direct maternal line, I believe. We haven’t done that one yet. We have used autosomal DNA to find all these matches. Having five family samples male and female has been a part of being able to find more people I think.
In my opinion, DNA is much better at determining who is kin, than it is at determining ethnicity.
For example the Melungeon Study, by Roberta Estes and Jack Goins, showed many lines in the R1b1a2 haplogroup, which people understood to be European. In truth this group is Eurasian, and links back 30K+ years ago to Siberia. I don’t think it can be said that it is a ‘European’ haplogroup. As I understand it, this is the main objection people like Scott Preston Collins have raised with the conclusions reached by Jack Goins. If some of the R1b haplogroups are from Turtle Island and some from Europe and Asia these results would seem to make more sense.
If all of us put our heads and DNA together we should be able to unravel this a little more. I am optimistic, the challenge is finding the time to compile all this data. So far I’ve invested hundreds of hours into this project.
Linda,
I have been given to understand that Ancestry is the best route to go. You can download the DNA sample and transfer it for free to FTDNA and if you want the full benefits of FTDNA, it is a smaller fee than testing. You can then upload it to Gedmatch where you can match from all three.
Another route that is free is to sign up on Facebook for the Good Genes project. If you follow health stats enough (I think 2 days.), they give you an autosomal kit for nothing.
I have tested in all of these groups. I joined 23andMe and Genes for Good for purposes of trying to find a cure for my genetic disease that threatens to disable me and can be passed onto my children. They are the least useful for me. Genes for Good has been slow about providing results, while 23andMe keeps matches confidential, so you must rely on responses from the matches to get their data.
I like FTDNA but I hate their tree feature. They also have a chromosome browser. I tested there first, and it is where we tested the male Sinkey. My mtDNA test there was largely a waste, as mtDNA shows so few changes that you can match from thousands of years ago. I check these matches about once every 6 months.
My most useful DNA test has been Ancestry. You get lots of matches weekly, can match DNA to your tree, and download DNA to upload to Gedmatch. Ancestry does not provide all the tools that other folks do but Gedmatch helps here and is free. I tested Mom and my in-laws here too.
I too use GenomeMate, so I can help identify segments belonging to different ancestors. I just wish I had more time to learn more and work on it more. Facebook has some great groups that help: I follow Gedmatch, GenomeMate, and ISOGG.
Techteach
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