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Hi Vance,
Person County, NC is on the Virginia border. Halifax county Virginia is the adjacent county in Virginia. The Indians of Person County, who are in the process of changing their name to Sappony, live in the High Plains community NNE of Roxboro, and spread over into Virginia. They share some common ancestors (Shepard & Stewart) with some of the families ofthe Occaneechi Band of the Saponi Nation in Alamance and Orange County NC. The core family names are Stewart and Epps, but Martin, Talley, Johnson, Shepard and Coleman are also found up there.
That was a good one. I’m telling what county the Person County Indians are in and I get it wrong! hahaha.
Granville’s next door.
thanks —
for some reason I thought it said “Person County Indiana” and I looked on a map of Indiana and didn’t see anything listed . Now I don’t know how I came to think that ???? 🙁
ha ha
also Linda I think your “Francis” looked more like Jeffrey Hoten Richey Sr than Jr. Hoten’s first name was Jeffery but he was called Hoten because his dad was also named Jeffery and was called that. Francis has a more prominent chin than Hoten, makin’ me think he resembles Hoten’s dad more. Just thought I’f mention it.
vance
Actually, it is a pretty easy mis-read. All you gotta do is switch an a for an s. Mention of Indiana is always catching my eye, cause I think they’re talking about Indians.
Your Richeys and my Francis all have that long oval face shape with prominent cheekbones and close set eyes, slightly slanted eyes. I’ve seen it often in people believed to have Saponi/Tutelo heritage.
I found a photo of my father, A. O. Hawkins! online at the link below.
http://www.frederickbombers.net/WWII/hawkins_alpha_o.htm
It is a website about the town of Frederick, Oklahoma. Dad was Other and Hoten’s nephew. It mentions dad’s mother Loney Hawkins. Her maiden name was Richey and she was Other and Hoten’s sister.
Dad got 3 battle stars, one for Pearl Harbor, one for the Battle of the Bulge, and one for Hurtgen Forest or Black Forest, I forget. His brother Joe was in the Pacific and another brother Euel Lee, was killed in Normandy.
vance hawkins
Vance;
I cannot believe that you are that ugly if you have a father that is this handsome.
Come on Vance, let’s see your picture.
Dan.
ha ha — thanks Dan.
but I really AM too ugly to photograph — honest truth — I break cameras, Dan. 🙂
I also wanna take this time to say thanks to everyone that was helpful in my genealogical searches. I hope I helped some a’ yall along the way, too. If anyone thinks I can help their genealogy searchin’, please don’t hesitate to contact me at vhawkins@pacer.com. I might not be able to help any, tho.
But like water won’t flow upstream, I seem to be fightin’ n uphill battle that can’t be won, I don’t suppose. Realizin’ that, I’m just gonna be silent now. When I was younger I’d run to that uphill battle head on, face in the wind. Now I just dread it, ha ha.
I don’t really have anything else to contribute, and this is for the best. Some things I guess I just don’t understand.
so God bless y adios, mis amigos
vance hawkins
ps – don’t give up the researchin’, and don’t compromise your values either.
hi Forest Hazel
you mention this surname of Stewart in same counties of my interest, please see my new posting of March 26, 2004 under
Stewart OR Stuart – Share History Research
Do you have Stewart ancestors too?
thanks Randy
There were early day Stewarts/Stuarts in Lawrence County, Arkansas, where my Richey’s settled. These Stewarts also helped start the first Methodist church in Arkansas along with the Wayland and Rainwater families. My ancestor Sarah Ann Wayland (1829-1857, she married Joseph E. Richey in 1848) had a sister named “Mary Stewart Wayland”. Her father was William Wayland (1780s-1843) and her mother we know only as “Elizabeth” Wayland. Maybe she was Stuart/Stewart — we don’t know for sure, tho.
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I haven’t posted on this thread in a couple of years. Reading through it brought back memories, and I see things now I wasn’t comprehending back then. 🙂
I might have made a breakthrough with my Richey’s with Rev. Gideon Blackburn, the famous Presbyterian preacher who opened one of the first missions/schools to the Cherokee.
There is a list of names on/near French Broad/Clinch and Holston Rivers. That is another thread on the History forum I believe.
Joseph, John and James Woods were all listed. I am descended from Joseph and his son, John. Well Rev. Gideon Blackburn (1772-1838) was also listed.
Online bio for Gideon Blackburn says —
http://sdss4.physics.lsa.umich.edu:8080/~mckay/amckay/presbiob.htm
Gideon Blackburn, D.D. (1772-1838) He was born in Augusta County, Virginia, August 27th, 1772. In his boyhood his parents removed to Tennessee . . .
. . . In 1803 he undertook a mission among the Cherokees. In 1811 he removed again to West Tennessee . . .
end of quote from website
I have been emailing someone descended from the Blackburns. I have been told that Margaret Ritchie married Robert Blackburn in 1766, and that Gideon was their son. Same person also told me that Margaret Ritchie had a brother named Gideon Ritchey.
So this puts a Richey/Ritchie/Blackburn Family in Augusta County, Va in 1772 the same time my Joseph Woods was there (they moved there in 1770). Descendants of BOTH these families are on French Froad River in the 1790s.
On 1820 census of Gibson County, Indiana, are 3 Richey’s. John, and Gideon, 18-26 years old and David 26-45 years old. My John Richey had a son also named Gideon Richey, so I have throught John and Gideon Richey were brothers in Indiana.
This person descended from the Richey’s and Blackburns said they had Gideon Ritchie’s in their family, too. There are just too many coincidences. These people are also related to a Richey that married a relative of Davey Crocket, altho I forget just how.
The Gideon Richey of Indiana married Nancy Woods May 1816, where my John Richey married Polly (Mary) Woods in 1817. From latter census rcords John Richey was born 1797. Of Gideon, I know from 1820 census he was born between 1794 and 1802. Were he born in 1794 he’d have been @ 22 years old when he married in 1816, so I suspect he was born closer to 1794, 5 or 6.
If Margaret Richey has a brother named Gideon Richey (and I was told that she did), then Gideon Blackburn was probably named after him. It is also possible that Margaret had other brothers and sisters who carried the name Gideon down.
One of Gideon Blackburn’s offspring married a girl surnamesd “Glass”. John Woods had a passport to work n Lookout Mountain in the Cherokee Nation betwen 1801 and 1803 signed by Chief Glass, who was chief of Lookout Mountain. So there are a lot of coincidnces.
Margaret’s father was Alexander Ritchie, and there was an Alexander Ritchie (Margaret’s brother or perhaps cousin?) who as a 12 year old boy was called an “Indian scout” on Clinch River in the 1770s. Margarat had another brother Samuel who is spoken of a lot in records of Russell Co, Va in the 1790s. He seems to have known Nevil Wayland Sr pretty well, as their names are mentioned together a few times.
In 1811 there is a Solomon Richey listed as FPC in Amherst County, Va and these ritchies were in neighboring Augusta Co in 1770 (at a time when Augusta and Rockbridge were still one county).
One person researcing the Woods family of Gibson Co., In told me Gideon Richey was already deceased in 1842 as it that was mentioned in the will of John Woods.
Still don’t have it figured out, but we are getting there. If this were “John Brown” I wouldn’t have a prayer. But Gideon is not a very common name, there were not very many of them, so I have more confidence that we are on the right track.
It is interesting these “appear” to be my Richey’s, and they wre in Amherst/Rockbridge County where the Monocan were/are. They were in Russell/scoot Co., Va where the melungeons were/are, they were in Blount Co., Tn where the Blackurns/Woods/& some Cherokee were, and if they are my ichye’s, they were in Gibson, Co., In, one county west of the county where the Blackfoot Church was (there is a Richey buried in the cemetary of that church from an early date)
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I’d seen some of thse Richey’s before but wasn’t confident they were mine. Now I have more confidence that they might be.
vance
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