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I am new to the forum and this is my first posting. I found the link to this forum on the Riley Genalogy Web site hosted by David Riley.
My mother was Gertrude Riley born in Williamson WVA 1904 to Leotis (” Oat”) Riley and his wife Eliza Jane Goff Riley of Pike County KY. They also had daugthers named Gladys, Agnes, and Iamel (not sure of spelling).
Oat Riley’s father was John Wesley Riley and his mother was Lucinda Rutherford Riley. Oat was born at a place called Ten Pole Creek in Logan (?) County.
Oat and his father (my grandfather and ggrandfather) owned a lot of land in WVA, KY, NC, and AL.
Oat also owned, among other things, a traveling show called The Riley Amusement Company which was said to travel with a wild west show and I have seen a collection of photographs showing my mother and her sisters with various Native American people including a Chief in full ceremonial dress. I do not know where this collection of photos is at this time.
After my mother passed away and my Aunt Agnes was very ill, my cousin and I were sitting with her and talking and we brought up the photos and I asked who were “the Indians” in those photos and our aunt said quietly: “They were Family.” I jumped on this and said what did you say, they were family? Then our aunt rolled over and turned her face to the wall and would not speak any more that day.
I have also searched the Melungeon famililes and cannot find much of any link to my specific ancestors and family. I did look as the census rolls for the Cherokee and the others of the Five Civilized Nations and did indeed find most of my family names on these rolls although at this time I do not know if these are my specific family members or other people with similar names.
Unfortunately, the past ten years or so have been very difficult for me and my immediate family and none of us has had the real time to get fully involved in this research.
Physically speaking, my family members are light skinned and mostly have blue eyes; but, there is dark hair and a certain different kind of facial structure that looks more Oriental or Native American and our body proportions are not the same as the Europeans. We women in the family especially have a terrible time getting clothing to fit.
I also need to mention that my Rileys and Goffs, for the most part, were very tall people with the men being at least 6’7″ and some of the women being 6′ tall. I have been told that this can be an indication of Native American Heritage as the Europeans were generally short.
Thank you for your time. I would love to be able to receive input and information.
Jane McCloskey Talerico
None of your names sound familiar as far as the people we’re researching, but Pike county has often come up. There were certainly many displaced tribes who refugeed into KY and “disappeared.” Thanks for sharing that story, it is interesting. If you are finding a lot of your family names on the Cherokee rolls, it may mean something.
Jane,
I also have a line of Goff on my mother’s side. The Goff line goes back to Thiel Goff and his four sons. I have read the Goff Family genealogy out of Pike County and contacted a cousin of mine that really knowes more about this line than I do. She told me that the Pike Co. line does connect to ours.
If you are interested I could give you Carol’s email address. Right now I am going though some medical issues and not able to do much research but I am sure Carol would be willing to help you.
Cuzzin Brenda
Lots of families we’re familiar with are connected to these people by marriage or associated with as next door neighbors.
Lucinda Retherford/Rutherford’s mother was Milly KEESEE, b.abt. 1810, and Milly (“Millie”) m. Joseph Retherford in Pike Co., Ky on Jan 22, 1829. Milly’s father was Richard Keesee.
John & Lucinda Retherford Riley’s near neighbors in 1900 Mingo Co WVa were LAWSON (George, 65, b.Va), STEWARD (Robert, 22, b. NC), WRIGHT (Black), JOHNSON (Black), GOINGS, CAUDILL (Ky “Cherokee”), FRAZIER, ELSWICK (related to MULLINS, ADKINS & COLLINS in Pike Co Ky), COLLINS (Charley, 40, Va), COLLINS (Leonard), REYSER (a.k.a. RAZOR).
John Riley’s brother George, 49, widowed, b.Va., was living with John & Lucinda in 1900 Mingo Co., as was Elisha HESS, 45, “cousin”, b.Va.
Milly Rutherford, 70, widowed, b.Va., was living with them in 1880 Logan Co., WVa., and a HESS was next door.
George Riley, 62, b.Va., was next door to them in 1880 Logan, living at Milton Ball, 33, and wife Eliza J., 23. Could not confirm this George as the father of John Riley, but may be.
A couple of Retherford girls married Meade’s in early Pike Co., and one Meade was listed in those marriage records as “Gibson, a.k.a. Mead, Robert” (altho he married a Moore, not a Retherford).
Have a list of John & Lucinda’s children if you need them.
In 1920 Pike Co., Ky, Forks Pct, p.21A, at 330, 331:
James A. Goff, 65, Ky, Ky, Ky.
Vicie, wife, 67, Ky, Ky, Wva.
Felose, son, 26, Ky.
Hester, granddau, 26, Ky.
IMAL RILEY, granddau, 12, Ky.
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This may not be a coincidence 🙂 and James & Vicie may be Eliza Jane Goff Riley’s parents. Will have to check, tho.
Rutherford and Keesee?? As in Weatherford and Keasey? And I see you have Stansbury’s, Brenda. I wonder if that could be a variant for Straightsbury. One of my Vernon County cousins has a lot of them along an Indian line.
Linda,
I have seen it spelled Stansbury and Stanberry.
1. FRANSIS1 STANSBURY He married MARY BROWN.
Child of FRANSIS STANSBURY and MARY BROWN is:
2. i. MOSES2 STANSBURY, b. 1791, Pa; d. 1870, WV.
Generation No. 2
2. MOSES2 STANSBURY (FRANSIS1) was born 1791 in Pa, and died 1870 in WV. He married HANNAH FERRELL 1815, daughter of ROBERT FERRELL and RACHEL GRIGGS. She was born 1796 in Monongalia ,WV, and died Aft. 1880 in Wood,WV.
Children of MOSES STANSBURY and HANNAH FERRELL are:
i. LYDIA3 STANSBURY, b. 1815, Monongalia ,WV; m. DAVID MCDONALD, 1833, Monongalia Co. Wv.
ii. QUEEN ESTER STANSBURY, b. 1819; m. THOMAS WILSON, 1837.
iii. MARY STANSBURY, b. 1820; d. Bef. 1850; m. JONATHAN STRAIGHT, 1840, Monongalia Co. Wv.
iv. FRANKLIN STANSBURY, b. 1822, Monongalia ,WV; d. 1864, Winchester,Va.; m. HANNAH MCDONALD, 1846, Monongalia Co. Wv.
v. ROBERT STANSBURY, b. 1825, Monongalia ,WV; d. Kansas; m. ARA, Iowa.
vi. AMY STANSBURY, b. 1828, Monongalia ,WV; m. GEORGE BUTCHER, 1850, Monongalia Co. Wv.
vii. JOSIAH C. STANSBURY, b. 1834, Monongalia ,WV; d. 1868.
viii. LAVINA STANSBURY, b. 1834.
3. ix. RACHEL STANSBURY, b. 1835, Taylor Co. WV; d. 1917, Harrison twp,Ross Co. Ohio.
x. ELVINIA STANSBURY, b. 1839, Ritchie Co. WV; m. VALENTINE BUTCHER JR., 1858, Jackson Co. WV.
xi. JONATHAN STANSBURY, b. 1840.
xii. ANN AMELIA STANSBURY, b. 1844.
Generation No. 3
3. RACHEL3 STANSBURY (MOSES2, FRANSIS1) was born 1835 in Taylor Co. WV, and died 1917 in Harrison twp,Ross Co. Ohio. She married (1) NIMROD LOUGH. He was born 1821 in Monongalia Co. WV, and died 1907 in Dayton, Ohio. She married (2) JAMES GOFF 1853 in Fayette Co Pa, son of SANTHANIEL GOFF and CATHERINE FOY. He was born 1835 in Barbour Co. WV, and died 1864 in Grafton, Taylor Co.WV.
Children of RACHEL STANSBURY and NIMROD LOUGH are:
i. MOSES E.4 LOUGH, b. 1867.
ii. JASPER NEWTON LOUGH, b. 1868.
iii. AURILLA EVALINE LOUGH, b. 1871.
iv. JOHN HENRY LOUGH, b. 1875.
Children of RACHEL STANSBURY and JAMES GOFF are:
v. MARY CATHERINE4 GOFF, b. 1854.
vi. JONAH C. GOFF, b. 1856.
vii. FRANSIS MARION GOFF, b. 1857.
viii. ANN AMELIA GOFF, b. 1859.
4. ix. HANNAH GOFF, b. October 05, 1862, Ritchie Co. WVa.; d. 1943, Nicholas Co. WVa..
Weatherholt is the other name in my line.
3. WILLIAM3 ALLMAN (JOHANN JACOB ALLMAN2 JR., JACOB1 ALLMAN,THE ELDER) was born 1756, and died 1827 in Fink’s Run, Upshur Co. WV. He married (1) ELIZABETH WEATHERHOLT, daughter of JOHANN WEATHERHOLT and CATHERINE DORMEYER. He married (2) ELIZABETH MARTIN. She was born 1779, and died 1862.
Children of WILLIAM ALLMAN and ELIZABETH WEATHERHOLT are:
4. i. JACOB4 ALLMAN, b. 1791, Brock’s Gap,Hardy Co.WV; d. 1873, Meigs Co. Ohio.
ii. NICHOLAS ALLMAN, b. 1785.
iii. CATHERINE ALLMAN, b. 1789.
iv. PETER ALLMAN, b. 1789.
v. JOHN ALLMAN, b. 1791.
vi. MARY ALLMAN, b. 1793.
vii. ISSAC ALLMAN, b. 1800.
viii. GEORGE WILLIAM ALLMAN, b. 1801.
ix. ELIZABETH ALLMAN, b. 1801.
x. ABRAHAM OBEMIS ALLMAN, b. 1807.
Brenda,
On a relatives gen-line, mixed up with my Orange/Spots. Co Collins people is a line of GOFFs who also get together with
Sheltons. Are these your Goffs?
William Robert Goff b. Mar 19, 1764 Ga; d. Dec 1820 Butler Co., Ky., m’d 1st Judith Taylor; m’d 2nd abt. 1794 Logan Co., Ky, Rhoda Shelton, d/o Jeremiah Shelton and Nancy Asher.
William Robert Goff is s/o Wm. Goff, b.abt. 1720; d.bef. Nov 12, 1762 Stafford Co., Va., who m’d Oct 19, 1743, OverWharton Par., Stafford Co., Lucy Byram, per that researcher’s tree.
Originally posted by Bill Childs
Lots of families we’re familiar with are connected to these people by marriage or associated with as next door neighbors.
Yes, I noticed another link, with Oat Riley being born at Ten Pole Creek in Logan Co., where my great-great uncle Goodlow Fleming (1902-1967) lived a bit later. There’s a Mullins connection there; his father was John Henry “Twelve Toed John” , Jr. Mullins, who started using his mother’s name after he got out of federal prison for moonshining, so that the younger children were called Fleming. (There was enough intermarriage from the 1820s on that I find the two families difficult to separate in the Pike/Mingo Co. area, anyway.)
Hi everyone. It’s been quite awhile since I posted on this forum. I just came back yesterday – I noticed Brenda, we share the same Lough line. Your Nimrod Lough’s father Robert was the half-brother of my several greats grandfather, James. (don’t have the info where I can count back) James’ mother was Elizabeth Speedy, Robert’s morther was Jane (Jean) Hart.
I’m still trying to find out if my Collins line is the Native American/Melungeon one. It sounds like it should be but I just can’t get back past Rupert Collins who married a Shawnee who family legend says was Tecumopeas, the sister of Tecumseh. They had a daugher, Jane Collins who married Lewis Full – and he’s another brickwall.
Jane Collins and Lewis Full were married near Seneca Rocks in WV where Lewis’ farm was located. Later they moved to Fulls Fork in what is now Wirt Co WV
Bill Childs wrote: Lots of families we’re familiar with are connected to these people by marriage or associated with as next door neighbors.
Lucinda Retherford/Rutherford’s mother was Milly KEESEE, b.abt. 1810, and Milly (“Millie”) m. Joseph Retherford in Pike Co., Ky on Jan 22, 1829. Milly’s father was Richard Keesee.
John & Lucinda Retherford Riley’s near neighbors in 1900 Mingo Co WVa were LAWSON (George, 65, b.Va), STEWARD (Robert, 22, b. NC), WRIGHT (Black), JOHNSON (Black), GOINGS, CAUDILL (Ky “Cherokee”), FRAZIER, ELSWICK (related to MULLINS, ADKINS & COLLINS in Pike Co Ky), COLLINS (Charley, 40, Va), COLLINS (Leonard), REYSER (a.k.a. RAZOR).
John Riley’s brother George, 49, widowed, b.Va., was living with John & Lucinda in 1900 Mingo Co., as was Elisha HESS, 45, “cousin”, b.Va.
Milly Rutherford, 70, widowed, b.Va., was living with them in 1880 Logan Co., WVa., and a HESS was next door.
George Riley, 62, b.Va., was next door to them in 1880 Logan, living at Milton Ball, 33, and wife Eliza J., 23. Could not confirm this George as the father of John Riley, but may be.
A couple of Retherford girls married Meade’s in early Pike Co., and one Meade was listed in those marriage records as “Gibson, a.k.a. Mead, Robert” (altho he married a Moore, not a Retherford).
Have a list of John & Lucinda’s children if you need them.
Miss you Bill!!:( But thank you for what you left at saponitown:)
Here is some good information…
Hi Jane:
I am related to the Cherokee Riley Family on the Cherokee Rolls in Oklahoma. My Great Grandmother’s sister, Elizabeth Risner, married (Cherokee) Rufus Riley in OK and they lived at Nowata, OK. I have some of the family back to Rufus Rileys Grandfather in OK but I am unaware where they lived prior to the forced migration. I will have to dig that information out to get futher details to give to you if you are interested.
The Rileys on the Cherokee Rolls are all related in one way or another. A very unusual given name in that family is “Looney” – probably originally a surname and I do find Looneys in areas where the Melungeons lived. On my paternal side, Sherrod Williams m. a Looney in TN abt. 1802.
Clydene
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