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I am not sure if this is the place for my question. I am doing research on Sacajawea and her son John Baptiste and her two granddaughters. I was wondering if anyone on this thread knew of any details about Sacajawea and the location of the Land of the Three Rivers which is said to be her home.
I just want to add that it was said that John Baptiste was adopted by William Clark after his mother’s death. William Clark’s real son was named Meriwether Lewis Clark. I have West Point records that say Meriwether Lewis Clark was at West Point at the same time as Robert E Lee and Jefferson Davis.
I am looking for a connection between John Baptiste to Robert E Lee and Jefferson Davis which I think I have found.
The records have a different story then the official story of Sacajawea and her son. Historians are trying to tell me that John Baptiste and Sacajawea were common Native American names and the John Baptiste that William Clark adopted may have been a different John Baptiste then the one born on the Lewis and Clark trip.
I am not sure how this could be possible.
If in fact Sacajawea was from the Three Rivers Area she may not be Shoshone at all although it looks like her husband Charbaneau was at least 1/2 Shoshone by his mother. That the Three Rivers Area was really Pittsburgh were Meriwether Lewis started his trip August 31 1803.
His first stop was a Native American village just west of Pittsburgh where a BB Gun went off as someone was looking at it striking a Native American woman in the head. She was unhurt
I thought that this was the Three Rivers area: http://www.mbmg.mtech.edu/gmr/lewis_clark/lewis_clark-threeforks.asp. The Shoshone lived near here, as I understand it.
We were there a few years ago at a time when I was reading about Sacajawea.
If I recall, the name Pomp or Pompey, as the child was called, is common.
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According to her Bio, she was kidnapped and taken far beyond the Land of the Three Rivers and her Mountains. It just so happens, that matches the Pittsburgh area. It was not like Meriwether Lewis was not in Pittsburgh. His Journal clearly states he left Pittsburgh on the morning or August 31 1803 in his new boat and his first stop was Brunot Island just of Pittsburgh near the City of McKees Rocks. James McKee married a Native American woman and settled at McKees Rocks. They named that area after him. Dr Brunot was both a Medical Doctor and Indian Agent. The Heinz History Center states the Barnot’s are related to General Lafayette. This is where the BB Gun incident happened. Meriwether Lewis recorded this incident in his Journal.
In any event, Pittsburgh has both mountains (Mount Washington) which overlook Ft Duquesne/Dunsmore/Pitt and the three rivers.
This leads into the two daughters of John Baptiste and the family a few Historians believe built the Lewis and Clark boat in Pittsburgh.
I guess I am wondering if the History of Lewis and Clark has been changed around some after the Civil War to exclude the connection of Meriwether Lewis Clark, Robert E Lee and John Baptiste from the History of Lewis and Clark. So if you start the story at St Louis rather then Pittsburgh, it changes the story nicely except that Sacajawea now has to have a new history.
The only problem with that is you have to have two Sawajawea’s and two John Baptiste’s.
The records are very clear on her birth place. She was born in the Land of the Three Rivers and later kidnapped and taken far beyond her birth place and her mountains. The question is, how far is far.
I’m related to both William Clark and Meriwether Lewis. My genealogy does have a Meriwether Lewis Clark, son of William Clark the explorer.
Sacagawea’s descendents are mostly enrolled Shoshone-Bannock in Idaho. I’m friends with one of her descendents, she told me the Shoshone were never in the Pittsburg area.
That is my point. I don’t believe she was Shoshone at all. Although her husband sure was Shoshone through his mother. So the children and grandchildren would be able to register as Shoshone for sure.
The records are very clear on Meriwether Lewis Clark. He went to West Point with Robert E Lee and a fellow named Ormsby Mcknight Mitchell. It was the class of 1829. Although Meriwether Lewis Clark finished in the class of 1830.
If in fact William Clark adopted John Baptiste, he would be sure to know all three of these people. That is where my research starts and follows through with her grandchildren.
Records may not be correct and might have been revised because of this connection to General Robert E Lee. It is my understand Meriwether Lewis Clark served under General Robert E Lee in Richmond VA.
Yes, the Shoshone are from the Land of Three Rivers. That would be the general vicinity drained by the headwaters of the Missouri River. The “three rivers” would be the Madison, Jefferson and Gallatin Rivers that merge at Three Forks, Montana, to form the Missouri River.
Toussaint Charbonneau was a Metis born in Quebec. His Indian ancestry was local to the Quebec and Great Lakes region. Metis researchers from Canada have confirmed this. No way was he of Shoshone ancestry. At the time of the Lewis and Clark Expedition, Charbonneau spoke French and a smattering of Hidatsa and no Shoshone. Following another 30 years of living mainly with the Hidatsa, he still spoke French and, by his own admission, only a smattering of Hidatsa. He was no linguist.
The Lewis and Clark journals indicate that Lewis and Clark knew they would need Shoshone interpreters in order to cross the Rocky Mountains. That’s why they were so excited to enlist Sacajawea – she spoke the language they needed help with, not Charbonneau. They likely knew that they needed that language from having talked with many Metis from the fur trades, men who had been at least as far west as the Rocky Mountains and might actually have given Lewis or Clark a rough map of the route from the Land of Three Rivers over the Rockies.
If you’re suggesting that the records have been doctored, then that would mean that every copy of the Lewis and Clark journals has been edited from the original. It would even suggest that what is accepted as the originals were altered. Yet, these journals had been copied many times before the Civil War, if I’m not mistaken, and well before any connection to Robert E. Lee might have become an embarrassment. This would mean there’s some big conspiracy theory thing been going on since the Civil War, and the logistics would’ve been too difficult to make it stick: too many independently held records and copies of records and journals to alter, while also having to locate and brainwash the descendants of any Indians and fur traders who happened to have oral history of the trip and Sacajawea’s involvement, such as many Shoshone and Nez Perce. Doesn’t hold water that this could’ve happened.
Occam’s Razor says that the simplest of multiple explanations is the correct one. In this case the simplest explanation is the one that the copies of the journals we’re all familiar with is true.
I am not suggesting the Journals were doctored. What I am suggesting is there seems to be two Sacajaweas. One Sacajawea who was kidnapped and taken far beyond her mountains and three rivers that was on the Lewis and Clark Expedition. The other who Dr Grace R Hebard was studying around 1900. See gives a completely different story on Sacajawea that suggested a change in story after the Civil War.
As a result, the time Meriwether Lewis spent in Pittsburgh from the Whiskey Rebellion in 1794 to the time Thomas Jefferson was elected president was lost.
This includes records of the boat builders of the main large boat who I believe had the last name of Lewis. They made a 1800 Pittsburgh census record with the occupation of Boat Builders. Dr. Grace R Hebard suggests by the names of the granddaughters of Baptiste, that Sacajawea was related to the people who built the main boat in Pittsburgh or otherwise known as the Land of the Three Rivers. For sure this family built boats for General George Rogers Clark under Thomas Jefferson’s orders. I have the invoices. General Clark was William Clarks brother. I guess I am suggesting Sacajawea might be Powhaten from Virginia who by some accounts were related/connected to the Nez Perce tribe.
Do you know the names of the two daughters of John Baptiste?
I want to bring this back up. It was left with the study of Dr Grace R Hebart papers suggesting that Sacajawea granddaughters by Baptiste had the last name of Meyers/Myers. I am also working on the issue that she may have been related to Pocahontas thus making her connected to both Meriwether Lewis and Thomas Jefferson and the Myers and Lewis boat builders in Pittsburgh. The Myers and Lewis family were Boat Builders in Pittsburgh. They made the 1800 census as boat builders in Pittsburgh. They owned the patent on a heavy duty Keelboat that allowed the transport of 25 tons of goods in shallow water without tipping over. Thomas Jefferson issued this patent to Alexander Lewis in 1789. Also Jacob Myers had built 7 boats for General George Rogers Clark and the boat were paid for my Thomas Jefferson. General Clark was William Clarks brother.
I notice in Bill Yenns book on Lewis and Clark that one of the boatman for the big boat used on the Lewis and Clark trip was named Charles Hebart.
I talked to Sgt Charles Floyd’s family and they say the Floyd’s have always said they were related to Pocahontas’ sister Cleopatra.
So I would like to pick this up again with anyone who think they know something about family connections of the Lewis and Clark Expedition out of Pittsburgh August 31 1803.
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