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My great-grandfather’s German in-laws (I MEAN fresh off the boat German) used to gossip that he was from the Winnebago reservation. I believe my cousin was saying they saw him hanging out there. He was in Vernon county, though born in Wabash county, IL, from parents from PA. His daughter is the one who told us we were Blackfoot.
We’re all saying the same thing. It’s the Sihisapa Blackfoot Sioux there may be an (obvious) connection to. A lot of people want to snear at that, but, considering Occam’s razor, it is the most straightforward explanation for the coincidence. If the Santee in the West are related to the Santee of SC, why would it be unlikely that there was a connection, more ancient, between the Blackfoot Siouan of the upper south, and those in the Tetons?
It was on another thread this week that I brought up evidence Bess contributed a few years back. A white observer in Tecumseh’s camp, (I believe it was) saw Tutelo and Winnebago warriors able to communicate, their dialects being mutually intelligible.
Someone shared this link with me. http://hotcakencyclopedia.com/ — a Hochunk encyclopedia. Check out the extensive collection of “mythology.” It has to be more relevant to us than Grimm’s fairy tales. I’d suggest we all save as much of this content as we can while it’s available online.
I just spent some time over there. This site is voluminous, with many, many stories, annotated with academic commentary and heavily cross-referenced. One hell of resource.
I certainly agree with both of you, the material on the Ho Chunk, looks like a great source.
The shirts that the men are wearing are like the shirts that would have been very common to our not so distant ancestors.
I find it very interesting that all 3 of our families were in the same general area, really thought provoking.
Linda you mentioned Occams razor, this is the first time that I have heard or read anyone use this term in order to support our research, thanks for doing so.
There was some time back a woman that posted a story on this site she went by the name of “Moma Bear”, we should compare her story to some of the other stories perhaps the 3 groups that we’ve been talking about here.
What ever happened to this Lady and is she still in the ‘ hood?
Thanx for the great posts.
Tom,
I found that the family of the Indian agent in Prairie Du Chien, WI at the time my folks came to IA from Ohio was originally from VA. There is an article on a Wisconsin historical site that says that Joseph Street’s father (and mother too, I think) were from VA. To me, that always seemed interesting. Street was very well respected in the NA community in IA and is buried next to Chief Wapello. I read an MA thesis on him, as Street is one of my names.
Techteach
perhaps there is a connection between the groups heading into that area, it seams like too much of a coincidence to be just that.
I have seen several times where Indian agents were mixed blood people.
There is a great deal of stories in my family and Barbs of our family members being in Indian country, and going through healing ceremonies etc. Thanx so mush for that, you never know it may lead to something much bigger.
Linda I posted a message on the thread that contains trhe story of the big dipper.
I have another name, Cooley, that becomes the main DC rep to what was then the BIA at the time that Grant was prez. I kind of think they made use of folks who at least worked among the NA folks. The Cooley in my family comes from Canandiagu (sp), NY, joins them in OH, and is buried in IA in the same cemetery as my mixed ancestors.
Techteach
Linda;18386 wrote: My great-grandfather’s German in-laws (I MEAN fresh off the boat German) used to gossip that he was from the Winnebago reservation. I believe my cousin was saying they saw him hanging out there. He was in Vernon county, though born in Wabash county, IL, from parents from PA. His daughter is the one who told us we were Blackfoot.
We’re all saying the same thing. It’s the Sihisapa Blackfoot Sioux there may be an (obvious) connection to. A lot of people want to snear at that, but, considering Occam’s razor, it is the most straightforward explanation for the coincidence. If the Santee in the West are related to the Santee of SC, why would it be unlikely that there was a connection, more ancient, between the Blackfoot Siouan of the upper south, and those in the Tetons?
It was on another thread this week that I brought up evidence Bess contributed a few years back. A white observer in Tecumseh’s camp, (I believe it was) saw Tutelo and Winnebago warriors able to communicate, their dialects being mutually intelligible.
Someone shared this link with me. http://hotcakencyclopedia.com/ — a Hochunk encyclopedia. Check out the extensive collection of “mythology.” It has to be more relevant to us than Grimm’s fairy tales. I’d suggest we all save as much of this content as we can while it’s available online.
Very interesting…thought I’d bring this one back around…
You mentioned “an agent at prairie Du Chien”
I guess my question is (little off topic here) are there any stories of people traveling from the southeast to Minnesota are near the time of the great Sioux uprising and the hanging of 40 santee warriors? Or tales of people fleeing the war to head southeast? There’s a reason I’m asking here
techteach;18384 wrote: Tom,
Yes, I sometimes thought that maybe some Eastern Sioux intentionally followed a route west after leaving VA, towards NA who spoke their language. For example, your folks, Linda’s folks, and mine were not far from the Winnebago. The agent at Prairie Du Chien was Joseph Street and Street is one of my names. His family came from VA.
Many of my folks continued west and also to Canada, as yours must have. However, one of mine can be found at the turn of the century at Pine Ridge Lakota Sioux reservation.
I went over to WI Dells a couple of years ago and watched the Ho Chunk dance.
Techteach
If you’re still an active member of this particular thread I’d very much like to talk to you
Yes, I am a moderator here.
Many years ago, I read the Joseph Street MA thesis. I no longer remember who wrote it. I thought that my people were connected, and I am still not sure that they are not (I should look into this again, now that I know more.) My people are Shawnee, and he came to Prairie Du Chien as Indian agent via Shawneetown, IL which is close to where they were in IA. He also surveyed the land in IA given up by the Sac and Fox that my folks settled. My cousin remembers words that were Algonquin, not Sioux.
If you wish to read a book on the Sioux moving west from the east coast, check out the books written by Ed McGaa. I think his book on Mother Earth Spirtuality talks about their westward movement.
Techteach
techteach;38226 wrote: Yes, I am a moderator here.
Many years ago, I read the Joseph Street MA thesis. I no longer remember who wrote it. I thought that my people were connected, and I am still not sure that they are not (I should look into this again, now that I know more.) My people are Shawnee, and he came to Prairie Du Chien as Indian agent via Shawneetown, IL which is close to where they were in IA. He also surveyed the land in IA given up by the Sac and Fox that my folks settled. My cousin remembers words that were Algonquin, not Sioux.
If you wish to read a book on the Sioux moving west from the east coast, check out the books written by Ed McGaa. I think his book on Mother Earth Spirtuality talks about their westward movement.
Techteach
I tried to post info and census on my family but I’m having trouble uploading my documents. Any suggestions ?
santee71;38228 wrote: I tried to post info and census on my family but I’m having trouble uploading my documents. Any suggestions ?
Might be a pop-up blocker if you are not seeing a window to select a file. If you do get a window, pick one, and it gives an error message, it might be the file size or format. Could try shrinking or saving it as an image instead. Alternatively, you can paste a link to another website that has the info.
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