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January 4, 2003 at 10:25 pm #539
SAPONI NATION NAMES ( NAME-TRIBE-YEAR-PLACE) (chief *)
Amoroleck………………………..Monacan……….1608………….Virginia
*Deabedanba……………………Nusang………….1657………….Northampton,Co. Va
Monack…………………………..Monakins……….1670………….Virginia
Indian John/Hasecoll/Hasecott..Ocannechi……..1673………….Mecklenburg Co. Va.
*Rosseechy……………………..Ocannechi………1676………….Mecklenburg Co. Virginia
*Shurenough…………………….Manakins……….1677………….Virginia
*Mastegonoe……………………Saponi…………..1677………….Virginia
*Tachapoake……………………Saponi…………..1677………….Virginia
Eno Will…………………………..Eno/Shakori…….1710………….Virginia
*Whitmannetaughehee………..Catawba…………1716………….South Carolina
*Austugah/Sapona…………….Catawba Ruler…..1720………….South Carolina
Jessee Heathcock………………Saponi……………1724…………Brunswick Co. Virginia
*Capt.Tom………………………Saponi……………1728…………Brunswick Co, Virginia
*Mahennip………………………Saponi……………1728………….Brunswick Co, Virginia
Tom Irvin………………………..Saponi……………1728………….Brunswick Co. Virginia
HarryIrvin……………………….Saponi……………1728…………Brunswick Co. Virginia
Ned Bearskin…………………….Saponi……………1728……….. Brunswick Co. Virginia
John Hescott……………………Saponi……………1728………….Brunswick Co, Virginia
Pryor…………………………….Saponi…………….1728………….Brunswick Co, Virginia
Joseph Heathcock……………..Saponi ……………1728………….Brunswick Co Virginia
William Jeffreys…………………Saponi…………….1730’s ………Indian School
Ozato……………………………Catawba…………..1738…………South Carolina
Alex.Macharition……………….Saponi……………..1742…………Orange Co. Virginia
John Bowling……………………Saponi……………..1742………..Orange Co. Virginia
Maniassa………………………..Saponi……………..1742…………Orange Co.Virginaia
Tom……………………………..Saponi……………..1742…………Orange Co, Virginia
Isaac Harry……………………..Saponi……………..1742………..Orange Co. Va.Virginia
Blind Tom……………………….Saponi……………..1742…………Orange Co, Virginia
Foolish Jack…………………….Saponi……………..1742…………Orange Co, Virginia
Charles Griffin………………….Saponi………………1742…………Orange Co, Va.
John Collins…………………….Saponi………………1742…………OrangeCo, Virginia
Little Jack………………………Saponi………………1742…………OrangeCo,Va.
*AratswaHagler……………….Catawba…………….1748………..North Carolina
Edward Heathcock………….Saponi……………….1749………..Northampton,NC
Thomas Heathcock…………..Saponi………………..1749……….Northampton, NC
John Heathcock………………Saponi………………..1749……….Northampton,NC
Heskake……………………….._____………………..1753……….Virginia
*Johnny……………………….Cheraw……………….1768……….SouthCarolin
Jin……………………………..Catawba………………1774……….BotteroutCo.Virginia
SimonJeffers/Jeffreys……….Saponi/Catawba……..1783……….NorthCarolina
William Guy…………………..Saponi/Catawba……..1783……….NorthCarolina
Kizor Haitcock………………..Ocannechi/Saponi…..1787………..MecklenburgCo.Virginia Onoyegeneon………………..Tutelo…………………1789………..New York
Ontehoghkau…………………Tutelo………………..1789……….. New York
Haykawyenin…………………Tutelo………………..1789…………NewYork
Mahionguti……………………Tutelo………………..1789…………NewYork
Yenyahkeya………………….Tutelo………………..1789…………NewYok
Kansoreakt…………………..Tutelo………………..1789………….NewYork
Washomene………………….Tutelo………………..1789………….NewYork
Konakauney………………….Tutelo………………..1789………….New York
Porarah……………………….Tutelo………………..1789………….New York
Nehqueksati………………….Tutelo………………..1789………… NewYork
Keest………………………….Tutelo………………..1789………….NewYorkJanuary 4, 2003 at 10:25 pm #6860Allen
Ammon
Anderson
Austen
Austin
Barnes
Bearskin
Bird
Bowman
Braveboy
Brook
Brown
Buck
Bullen
Bullian
Burnett
Byrd
Capons
Carter
Chavers
Chavis
Coaker
Coker
Cokerum
Collins
Corn
Cousins
Day
Dempsey
Dixon
Evans
Frye
George
Gibson
Gipson
Goen
Goings
Goins
Gowin
Griffin
Guy
Haith
Haithcock
Hammond
Harris
Hathcoat
Hathcock
Hays
Haycock
Haykock
Hayscock
Hayth
Heathcock
Heacock
Hecock
Hethcock
Hicks
Jeffreys
Jeffries
Jones
Kimball
Kimbie
Lane
Lawson
Leder
Liggin
McGhee
Martin
Mathews
Mayho
Mayo
McGhee
Mitchell
Morgan
Mullens
Mullins
Norton
Oaks
Paine
Parker
Payne
Pettiford
Pritchard
Pritchett
Pruet
Ragland
Ransom
Ransome
Revills
Rollins
Scott
Shomac
shomach
Sizemore
Stanley
Stevens
Stewart
Stuart
Sweat
Sweet
Taber
Taborn
Tabourne
Taburn
Taylor
Thore
Tootle
Tucker
Tuttero
Tutterow
Tuttle
Valentine
Walden
Walker
Walton
Washington
Watkins
Wetmore
White
Whitmore
Williams
Williamson
Winbourn
Winburn
January 4, 2003 at 10:25 pm #6863I think it is important to keep in mind that the names on this list are, for the most part, common names, and the mere fact that one of them appears in a family tree does not, in and of itself, demonstrate Saponi, or even Indian ancestry. Not every individual found in a historical record with one of these surnames is necessarily Indian. Haithcock, for example, while considered to be Indian by the Occaneechi Tribe when found in connection with the ancestral community in old Brunswick county, Virginia, is never, to our knowledge, identified in a early contemporary record as Saponi, or Indian. ( with the exception of Ohio ex rel. James Jeffyres v. Cedarville Board of Education in 1880, and then only by extension) The same is true for many of the names on this list.
Not trying to be a wet blanket here, just saying that perhaps a disclaimer is in order, particularly for the benefit of those who are just beginning to look into their own family histories.
I am in the process of compiling a list of individual surnames counted on some official document as Indian prior to 1900 in Virginia and North Carolina. Hopefully it will be of some use to researchers when complete ( if such a work could ever be truely complete)
January 4, 2003 at 10:25 pm #6864Forest, I heartly agree. The same holds true with the Melungeon names I submitted.
The first set of Saponi names above were taken from Haithcock’s books and where most are Indian names I felt they were verified.
Wanted to ask you….Can you lend any information to the Commissioner of Indian affairs in the 1700’s by the name of John Collins? Do you know if he was white married to a NA woman,mixed blood himself, or if he had a Indian name and took the Collins name. I know he appears on early documents as John Collins, interperter. Could this be the beginning of the Saponi Collins line? Any thoughts would be appreciated.
January 4, 2003 at 10:25 pm #6865Hi Brenda,
I’m sorry, I dont have any info close at hand on John Collins. If I run accross any, I’ll pass it on to you.
January 4, 2003 at 10:25 pm #6866Yes, I agree. It goes without saying, whenever we refer to any of these names, that they are associated with some Saponi families. It would be absurb to think that all the millions of Collins, or Dixons or Evans in this country are Saponi. I try to always phrase it that way, “names associated with” and that is what I am trying to communicate. If you’ve got a tradition of native ancestry in your family and you can trace it back to a known location of Saponi families, and lo and behold the family name is on this list, then you’ve got a good, meaningful lead. If on a personal basis that is enough to satisfy you on the origins of your family stories that is your personal business and your personal right. But it would be naive to think that you have “proven” your ancestry in a legal or academic sense.
January 4, 2003 at 10:25 pm #6944When you see or feel the validation, that, too me is all the proof I need. I, like you and all the board, are trying to trace the lineage but for me, it’s more of a spiritual search than anything else. It’s knowing that the bonds we form, even through modern technology, is from the ancestors, from Spirit, from our hearts. It’s knowing what the true meaning of tribal is. Family. The fortune of belonging to each other. Just my thoughts. You know cause you know cause you know.
January 4, 2003 at 10:25 pm #6948I know just what you mean.
January 4, 2003 at 10:25 pm #7096There is also a book by Paul Heinegg named Free African Americans of North Carolina, Virginia, and South Carolina, It has genealogies from the colonial period to about 1820 that contain a lot of the same surnames. Back then you could be Indian or African depending on who was looking or what was happening at the time. I found my Benjamin Richardson in there who was I believe to be Saponi.
PS Paul has a web page with a lot of the same information.
January 4, 2003 at 10:25 pm #8905Seems like we all want or need documentation on Indian names. I found this and wanted to produce it for evidence. It’s not one of my people but hope it will help someone.
Abstracts of the Minutes of the
Court of Pleas and Quarter
Sessions Rowan County,
North Carolina 1753-1762
II:72 19 April 1755
(spelling is uncorrected)
Esquires present: Jas Carter, Jno Handby, Alexr Osburn & Thos Potts. … Whereas John Auston a Saponia Indian and Mary a Susquhanah Indian and Thos a Cattaaba applied for a pass to the Cataba Nation being now on their Journey to conclude a Genl Peace with ye Catabas in behalf of the Sd Nation and also presented 3 Belts of Wampum to Sd Court by which the sd Treaty is to be concluded.
Copyright Jo White Linn 1977
Mrs. Stahle Linn, Jr.
Box 1948
Salisbury, N.C. 28144
Stamped (Carnegie Public Library, Washington C. H., Ohio 43160)
January 4, 2003 at 10:25 pm #8906Thanks! Now we know what the deal is with the Austin name.
January 4, 2003 at 10:25 pm #8907Hello All, 4 what it’s worth, those names that are spelled out to be of Indian origin the names such a Ozato etc would eventually give way either to a bastardization of the name or to names such as Ned Bear Skin that is they would be translated to English.
The best method of seeing who’s who if you can’t find the atrophied etomology then look to census records etc.
My Uncles name was Charles in the Lower Cherokee traditions Charles is Charlie, playing on the Cherokee word for lichen meaning to stay close to the family.
This type of progression needs to be considered here, there are many names that have under gone this transformation, a sacred name “white Woman” is “boogered” into Blanche!
Best to All. Tom
January 4, 2003 at 10:25 pm #8910Hmmm,
Wonder if Ozato became Oswalt. Bill has been looking for an elusive ancestor of mine, Andrew Huston. A sister of one of the many Andrew Hustons who come from central PA married into the Oswalt line. The Oswalt genforum speaks of Blackfoot ancestry from northern Ohio.
Cindy
January 4, 2003 at 10:25 pm #8917Interesting angle. I’ve been thinking a long time about that same process in conjunction with the theory that the town name of Sissipaha or Saxapahaw is a corruption of the old words for ‘blackfoot.’
The ‘haw’ ending has always bothered me. Foot is ‘isi’ and black is ‘asepa.’ But what does the ‘ha’ at the end come from?
I think I’ve found the answer. The Tutelo words for ‘blacken’ is ‘asepihiye’. So if the huge settlement in the Haw river valley was called ‘Isi Asepihiye’ and the English heard it, the first thing they’d do is slur all the double vowels. English speakers can’t deal with that. They also can’t deal with accenting the even numbered syllables the way native languages are generally spoken. So, they’d drop the initial ‘i’ sound. Given those assumptions,
isi asepihiye = sissipaha
I think this makes for an exceptionally ‘clean’ corruption. It also makes sense as a name when you consider that the Haw river valley is the largest fertile plain in the region. The people there were great, prosperous farmers. Native farmers used slash and burn agriculture. Hence the emphasis on blackened feet. That’s where their prosperity came from, the crux of their economy. From the archeological evidence, they were a very dense population. Epidemics spread through them like wildfire. And once the economy switched to the fur trade in order to compete in the European-imposed arms race, agriculture lost its importance economically.
The name Blackfoot would then have evoked memories of a much kinder and gentler past. Something a people facing chaos and obvlivion would have treasured. And that’s why so many of us were still being taught that name three hundred years later.
January 4, 2003 at 10:25 pm #8919I think that is a sound hypothesis, linguistically and culturally.
Your “mind meld” is tremendous.
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