- This topic has 5 voices and 17 replies.
-
Posts
-
My great-great-grandmother was Margaret Elizabeth Smith,her Mother’s maiden name was Sirk. I have all ways been told that they were Blackfoot, and that they were full bloods. Margaret Elizabeth all so had a Indian name, it was Awawho blackhawk. The Smith’s and the Sirk’s were both from Virginia.
Frog
Interesting details. I can’t remember hearing from anybody who had any language passed on, except in “Grandma’s Song” and a few variations on tribal names. I wish I had my Tutelo language books and could look for a translation.
Do you have any other details on your family, where they lived, maybe some info on later generations so we can look for some documentation on them?
Hi Linda, Thanks for the reply. I am new to this, so bear with me. My Grandmother’s name was Twawha and her sister’s name was Sedena. The furthest back that I have is Adam Sirk, whitch was spelled Sark at the time, I found his name in the 1790 census.
Joyce,
The only Adam Sirk I’ve found is one b.abt.1760s Germany, whose sons died in Braxton Co., (W)Va., or counties from which it was formed.
Adam Sirk m’d Catherine Poe before 1783 in Va.
Their children marr’d Lloyd, Hyer, Rose, Peterson, Walker, Riffle, Duffield & Eagle.
Bill
Hi Bill
Adam and Catherine had a son named Isaac, who married Jemima Wilson. Isaac and Jemima’s daughter was Phoebe Ann Sirk, she married Isaac Francis Smith. Phoebe Ann was my G-G-G- grandmother. I got this information from ( Sirk Family of WV.) on line.
Joyce
Hi Bill, I have the names fo John Smith who married Mary Francis Harmon, and Isacc Smith who married Frances Childers. I thank that one fo them is his Father, but not sure which one it is. I would be glad to know which one.
Thanks
Joyce
Joyce,
I’m certain it’s John, a.k.a. “Elder John” Smith, a Baptist Minister, b.abt.1812 Va (or Tenn ?), most of which can be proven with census and marr. records.
His 1st wife is alledged (I haven’t proven that yet) to have been Mary “Polly” FRANCIS, b.abt.1804, d. 1832, (Ky?), hence their son’s name Isaac FRANCIS Smith, b.abt. 1830.
His 2nd wife Francis “Frankie” HAMON/HAMMON, b.abt. 1817, m’d abt.1834 (a push-pull from the 1st wife’s d.o.d.?) RUSSELL (?) Co., Va. (I guess her maiden name could have been HARMON, and these 2 surnames may even have a common origin – don’t know – but it appears to be recorded as HAMON & HAMMON in that part of the world.) Ministers did get around quite a bit in those days, too.
Isaac & Phebe lived in Jackson Co., WV (Isaac Sirk lived here per 1840 census record). John and most of his kids, lived next door in Roane Co. – just around the corner from you. Phebe is listed one time as b.Ohio and the rest as WV but it probably was WVa (Va.).
Do you subscribe to any online census records?
(Trying to eliminate any unnecessary typing time.)
Bill
Joyce,
World Family Tree Vol. 1, Tree 2934 (Genealogy.com), shows few dates indicating no one has done much research on what is listed in that “Tree”, however, circumstancial, geographic and census data does support enough of it for it to be convincing enough to provide clues and leads, but this should still be viewed critically, baring further research.
Isaac Francis Smith, b.abt. 1830 Va., d.1891/2 WV, son of “Elder” John Smith, b.abt. 1802, and Mary “Polly” FRANCIS, d. 1832. John was a “Master Blacksmith” and later a Baptist Minister.
That tree lists John Smith as the son of Isaac Smith and _?_ FAIRCHILD, and lists Mary Francis as the dau of Thomas Francis and Jane _?_, but I couldn’t verify that.
From other descendants’ trees based on that tree, these children of “Elder” John Smith and Mary “Polly” Francis were cobbled together:
Issac Francis Smith, m’d Phebe Sirk, in Jackson Co., (W)Va.
Simeon Smith,
William F. (Francis?) Smith, m’d 2nd Louisa Sirk (her 2nd marr.?).
Samuel James Smith
Elizabeth Smith, m’d Joseph “Talky Joe” “Big Joe” Kiser/Kyser, b. Russell Co., Va., who had m’d first (?) Louisa Sirk.
Children of “Elder” John Smith and his 2nd wife Frances Elizabeth Hamon/Hammon, b.abt.1817, m’d abt. 1834 Russell Co., Va, d.abt. 1865 Roane Co., WV:
Harold Madison (“H.M.”)
Mary Ann
Martha
Lucinda
Joseph Wright
John Hamon (“John H.”)
Frances
Esau Franklin (“Esau F.”)
Elijah Baldwin (m’d Nancy Rhodes 17 Sep 1863 Jackson Co., WV.)
David Dayton
Cary Judson
…………………………….
Census data in next post.
Bill
Joyce,
1840 Jackson Co., (W)Va. Census, pg.228:
Isaac SIRK = 0000001 – 231211 – 0 – 0.
household contains:
1 male 40 to 49.
2 females under 5.
3 females 5 to 9.
1 female 10 to 14.
2 females 15 to 19.
1 female 20 to 29.
1 female 30 to 39.
……………………………….
Haven’t found any of these people in 1850 census and 1840 was the only time I found Isaac SIRK (some WFT’s list him as Adam Isaac Sirk.
……………………………….
1860 Jackson Co., (W)Va. Census, P.O.: Fishers Point; 8 August; pg.191 (image 191, Ancestry’s census images), at 1337, 1271:
Isaac SMITH, 25, m, – , Farm Laborer, $0, $50, Va.
Nancy………., 28, f, Va.
Lucinda…….., 5, f, Va.
Jas. B……….., 3, m, Va.
John…………., 1, m, Va.
PHEBE………., 33, f, Va.
(Isaac’s age is incorrect based on later census)
(I have no Idea who Nancy is or what her relationship to Isaac is but she’s not on later census records and may be an unidentified sister of Isaac – don’t know.)
Living next door to Isaac Smith, is Simeon, listed as Isaac’s brother on that WFT tree:
at 1338, 1272:
Simeon SMITH, 33, m, – , farmer, $0, $250, Va.
Nancy…………., 35, f, Va.
Martha SKEEN, 11 months, f, Va.
another brother of Isaac Smith’s is also in Jackson Co, p.629 (image 180), at 1262, 1196:
Wm. SMITH, 30, m, – , Farm Laborer, $0, $75, Va.
Louisa…….., 28, f, – , Va. (Louisa Sirk, Phebe’s sister.)
Malissa……., 7, f, Va.
Martha…….., 5, f, Va.
Samuel……., 1, m, Va.
………………………………
1860 Roane Co., (W)Va census; P.O.: Flat Fork; 9 July; pg.619, (image 74), at 523, 523:
Harell SMITH, 25, m, – , farmer, $0, $100, Va. (“Harold Madison”)
ISABEL………, 18, f, – , Va. (lived next door to Isaac Smith in 1880)
at 524, 524:
John SMITH, 58, m, – , Master Blacksmith, $0, $300, Va.
Francis……., 43, f, – , Va.
Henry C……, 21, m, Va. (Insane).
Eliza B…….., 19, f, Va (may be Eliga B., a son of John, not dau.)
Esau F…….., 17, m, Va.
Lucinda……., 14, f, Va.
Martha J……, 13, f, Va.
Francis………, 9, f, Va.
Joseph M….., 4, m, Va.
Dayton D….., 1, m, Va.
at 539, 539, (image 76) is another son of John Smith listed on that WFT:
Samuel SMITH, 28, m, – , farmer, $0, $50, Va.
Bethenia………, 28, f, – , Va.
Silva……………., 3, f, Va.
Perry……………, 2, m, Va.
……………………………………………..
1870 Jackson Co., WV census, Washington Twp; P.O.: Jackson C.H.; 25 August, pg.421A & B (image 33 & 34), at 231, 231:
SMITH, Isaac, 38, m, W, Farmer, $200, $171, Va.
………., PHEBE, 34, f, W, Ohio.
………., Lucinda, 16, f, Va.
………., James A., 14, m, Va.
………., John, 12, m, Va.
………., MARGARET, 9, f, Va.*******
………., Emma E., 7, f, Va.
………., Albert, 4, m, WV (William Albert m’d Mary Jane Parsons)
………., Mary F., 1, f, WV.
………………………………………………
1870 Roane Co., WV census, Harpers District, P.O.: Flat Fork, 20 July; pg.26A, (image 11), at 74, 81:
SMITH, H. M., 35, m, – , Farmer, $0, $400, Va (Harold Madison)
………., Isabell, 28, f, Va.
………., Francis W., 10, m, WVa.
………., Noah, 4, m, WVa.
………., Isabell, 2, f, WVa.
SMITH, John, 68, m, W, Baptist Minister, $0, $0, WVa.
………., Henry, 31, m, WVa. (“Idiot”)
………., David D., 12, m, Wva.
In one of those “failure to follow instructions” situations that I love, this census taker recorded in the margin to the right of each entry, what can only be the month of birth of the above people. In the order listed above, they are:
Dec, July, Marc, Augst, May, Octr, May, Apr.
Just before H.M. Smith’s, is another son of John & Francis Smith:
pg.25B, image 10, at 71, 77:
SMITH, John H., 29, m, W, farmer, $0, $200, Va.
………., Lydda J., 30, f, W, WVa.
………., Abraham, 4, m, WVa
………., Benj. A., 3, m, WVa.
………., John M., 1, m, WVa.
…………………………………………………………….
1880 Roane Co., WVa Census; ED 121 Harpers District; 7 June; pg.30A (image 1), at 6, 6:
TAYLOR, James, W, m, 31, farmer, Va, Va, Va.
…………, Martha J., W, f, 32, wife, Va, Va, Va.
…………, Emma J., 11, dau, WVa, Va, Va.
…………, Viola A., 4, dau, WVa.
…………, John H., 10 months, son, WVa.
SMITH, John, 78, W, m, Boarder, Va. (Martha J. is his dau)
……………………………………………………………..
Isabelle Smith (below) is the wife (now widow) of Harold Madison Smith, son of John Smith, who lived with Harold (“H.M”) and Isabelle in 1870. Circumstancially, I would conclude that John is most likely Isaac’s father.
1880 Jackson Co., WV census; ED41 Washington Dist., 22 June; pg. 415C (image 31), at 255, 255:
SMITH, Isabelle; W, f, 38, Keeping House, 0, 0, WVa.
………., Noah B.; 14, son, Wva.
………., Isabelle J.; 12, dau, Wva.
………., Placida A.; 6, dau, Wva.
………., Harold M.; 3, son, Wva
next door, at 256, 256:
SMITH, Isaac; W, m, 50, Farmer, WVa.
………., Phebe; W, f, 43, wife, Wva.
………., Emma E.; 16, dau, Wva.
………., Wm. A.; 15, son, Wva
………., Mary F.; 12, dau, Wva
………., Samuel C.; 2, son, Wva
………., Joseph P.; 3 months (“Feb”), son, Wva
at 258, 258, Isaac & Phebe’s son John:
SMITH, John; W, m, 20, farmer, WVa
………., Elisabeth; W, f, 21, wife, Wva
………., Joshua E.; 4 months (“Jan”), son, Wva
pg.415D (image 32), at 265, 265: Isaac & Phebe’s son “James A.”
SMITH, Abednego; W, m, 22, farmer, WVa
………., Hannah; W, f, 30, wife, WVa
………., Wm. W.; 3, son, WVa
………., Delila; 5 months (“Dec”), dau, WVa
……………………………
Bill
Thanks Bill, a bit confusing, but will figure it out. Seems like most of my family lived in Jackson Co, WV. at one time or another, the Smith and Sirk are from my Mother’s side, and the Anderson- Fisher- Parsons- Randolph- Wlofe- and just about everyone else from Jackson Co, WV. is from my Dad’s side. Thanks again
Joyce
Let me know if you have any questions about any of it. Questions always help refine solutions. There is no “dumb” question.
My Grandmother always told us she had blackfoot in our bloodline. She always believed her last name was Beaver. but on her mothers marriage lis. I found that her mother was Phoebe Smith and that this was her first marriage …(this is stated on lis.) My grandmother was 2 years old at the date of this marriage. If you know anything about this please help.
- You must be logged in to reply to this topic.
