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Are any of the following names famliar to anyone:
Woodruff
Spencer
Harris
Carson
Barnett
Patterson
All near Elon and MAdison Heights in Virginia
“Caddie” Caroline Carson from Madison Heights, mother was half Indian (told by granparents. had strong NDN features-slanted eyes and strong chin, and hooked nose, long straight black hair)
DAve Carson (same region in VIrginia)
Lucy Furgeson (mixed heritage BLack, white, possible Ndn)
Fannie Barnett
Edward Spencer
Sydney Harris (SAlt Creek, VA) Strong NDN features, straight bbalck hair, pretty copper tone
Carrie Woodruff (Elon, VA) James Woodfruff father, Robert Woodruff brother
We have been told by our grandparents that a trait of Native Americans is little to no body hair.
Would thy’re be any Spencer’s from Grayson Co.Va.,Carroll County Virginia,or Surry County?I have Nancy Spencer married to Solomon Senter.They married July 6,1854 in Suury County,NC.Nancy was the daughter of William Henry Spencer and Suzannah Dean.Nancy was born about 1835 in Grayson Co.Va.died about 1876 in Carroll Co.Va.Not much,but it may help.You might want to check those areas of Virginia and also Surry County.I think at one time Surry County was a part of Virginia,then NC.Good luck,
Deirdre,
From the 1880 Amherst Co., Va census; ED 17 Elon District; p.28D; 16 June; visit 251: (all persons and their parents were born in Virginia)
CARSON, David; Mu, 29, Boot & Shoemaker.
…………., Mary F.; Mu, 25, Wife.
…………., Laura H.(?); Mu, 8, dau.
…………., Abraham; Mu, 6, son.(middle initial “J” per 1910 census)
…………., Essie; Mu, 4, dau. (Mary E. per 1900 census)
…………., David; Mu, 1, son. (middle initial “E” per 1900 census)
…………., David W.; Mu, 50, Father.
Mary F. has had 6 children and 5 are still living.
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1900 Amherst Co., Va; ED10 Elon Pct, Elon Twp; 22 June; Sheet 23B (the month of birth was unknown for some)
Visit 310
CARSON, David; farmer, B, —- 1849, 50, m’d 30 yrs.
…………., Mary F.; wife, B, —- 1857, 42, m’d 30.
…………., Abraham J.; son, B, Dec 1874, 25.
…………., David E.; son, B, Apr 1879, 21.
…………., Mary E.; dau, B, Oct 1884, 15.
Visit 311
CARSON, Abraham; no Occupation; B, Oct 1820, 79, m’d 56 yrs.
…………., Eliza; wife; B, —- 1820, 79, m’d 56 yrs; has had 1 child and 1 child is still living.
(on the 1910 census, David, the father, remarried about 1905, Alice, b.abt.1858 Va.)
I haven’t found a Caddie/Caroline Carson.
What is the specific relationship between the people whose names you’ve listed, it will help me locate them for you –
for example, do you know who Caroline Carson married?
Bill
I know that Black people of Lynchburg called Caddie a squaw. I remember the older people used to call me great grandchild of that squaw woman. CAddie supposedly took up with a Gordon from VA, but had had her first son by another while in Mississippi. I believe she had 5 children. I am restling with how to know which of the eight VA tribes I might be a part of. My closest link may be my paternal grandfather who said that his father was a part of an Indian mission in the mountains. My grandfather was born in Elon, came down to Lynchburg and became a postal carrier and emmersed himself in the Black community because he was so reddish brown. TO my knowledge Black in Lynchburg were only permitted to go to normal schools and to Seminary. My grandfather was educated with “his own people” what ever that means. I was thinking that there should be a list of names of the children educated at the Mission school. I’d like to reasearch it further.
Deirdre
Bill,
Thank you for your information. My mother is familiar with some of your names. COusins are we.
Deirdre
Deirdre,
This appears to be Caroline.
From the 1880 Amherst Co., Va census; ED17 Elon District; pg.27, 15 June;
Visit 241 (all person were born Va, as were their parents)
GORDON, James; Mu, 44, Farm Laborer.
…………., CAROLINE; B, 36, Wife.*******
…………., Albert; B, 18, son.
…………., Adelaid; B, 15, dau.
Next door at Visit 242
CARSON, Abraham; Mu, 58, Farmer.
…………, Eliza; Mu, 50, wife.
ADAMS, Hanah; B, 92, mother-in-law.
David Carson’s household was at visit 252, or 10 houses away.
1870
Amherst Co., Va Census; Elon District; pg.41; 6 July; P.O.: Harris Creek, Va;
Visit 299
CARSON, Abraham; B, 48, Wheelwright.
…………, Eliza; B, 40.
…………, DAVID; B, 18.*******
GORDON, Caroline; B, 27. *******
…………, Albott; B, 8 (this is Albert)
…………, Adalaide; B, 5.
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Bill
Deirdre,
I’ve edited the above posts and added ‘race’ for each person as it was listed on the census. That changed over time.
“B” is Black and “Mu” is Mulatto.
I’ve added 1900 census info into the 6th post.
Bill
The mention of an “Indian Mission” raises a couple possibilities. The Monacan Indians of Amherst Co had a Mission in their settlement on Bear Mt. run by the Episcopalians beginning in the late 1800’s, as I recall, altho’ Gordon and Carson are not names I would generally associate with that community.
The Mormons also conducted Missionary work in the Amherst Co. area in the late early 1900s, and founded several churches among the Indian descendants in the region. Dr. Jay Vest, a Monacan Indian teaching at UNC-Pembroke had some family associated with that community, so he might be a source for a possible lead.
I have a great great great grandmother whose name was Lucinda Fuller (Smith maiden name) and her twin sister name was Mariah Harris. Lucinda Fuller died in 1967 and I was told that her twin sister died before her. They were from Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
I am not sure if they were Black Indians or just African Americans, but I was told that Lucinda Fuller was born into slavery in 1863.
Erica Lewis
Deirdre,
The 1930 census for Lynchburg (Independent City) was mis-identified as Campbell Co. This looks like your Sydney Harris, and the Woodruffs.
1930
Lynchburg City, Va Census; 3rd Ward; 11 April; Sheet 11B; 1422 (?) Floyd St; Family # 276: (all persons and their parents were listed as born in Virginia)
BONDERAND, Edward A; Postman; m, Neg 61, m’d @ 24 yrs old.
………………., Annie S (?); wife, f, Neg, 61, m’d @ 24 yrs.
………………., Louise; dau, f, Neg, 23.
HARRIS, Sydney W.; Son-in-Law; m, Neg, 28, m’d @ 23. Postman.
……….., Ora B.; dau, f, Neg, 24, m’d @ 19.
……….., Sydney W. Jr; Grandson, m, Neg, 4 yrs 10 months.
……….., Robert A.; Grandson, m, Neg, 2 yrs 4 months.
……….., David L.; Grandson, m, Neg, 10 months.
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1920
Lynchburg City Va Census; ED14 3rd Ward; 1420 Floyd St; family 269:
BONDURANT, Edward; LetterCarrier; m, Mu, 51, m’d.
………………., Annie V., wife, f, Mu, 51, m’d.
………………., Reginald, son, m, Mu, 26, Waiter-Hotel
………………., Mamie, dau, f, Mu, 20, Office Girl-Doctor’s office.
………………., Louise, dau, f, Mu, 18, Office Girl-Doctor’s office.
………………., Oriana, dau, f, Mu, 14. ******* (Ora B)
1920
Amherst Co., Va Census; ED18 Pedlar District; 6 January; Sheet 2A; Lynchburg & Buffalo Springs Pike; family 17:
(Spelling of surname varys by census taker)
WOODROUGH, James J.; farmer, m, Mu, 68, m’d*******
…………………, Rosa B.; wife, f, Mu, 55, m’d.
…………………, Robert; son, m, Mu, 30.
…………………, Minnie E.; dau, f, Mu, 29.
HARRIS, Sydney W.; Grandson, m, Mu, 17*******
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1910
Amherst Co., Va Census; ED16 Pedlar District; 4 may; Sheet 8A; family 132:
WOODROOF, James J.; farmer, m, Mu, 56, m’d 2x, m’d 12 yrs.
………………., Rosa B.; wife, f, Mu, 47, m’d 1x, m’d 12 yrs.
………………., Robert J.; son, m, Mu, 21 (twin)
………………., Charlie H.; son, m, Mu, 21 (twin)
………………., Minnie E.; dau, f, Mu, 19.
HARRIS, Sydney W.; Grandson, m, Mu, 7*******
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1900
Amherst Co., Va Census; ED11 Pedlar District; 5 June; Sheet 4B; family 64:
WOODROUGH, Jim; Wheelwright; B, m, Aug 1854, 45, m’d 3 yrs.
…………………, Rosa; wife, B, f, Jan —, 36, m’d 3 yrs; 7 children.
…………………, CARRIE; dau, B, f, Sept 1875, 24.*******
…………………, Mary L.; dau, B, f, Oct 1877, 22.
…………………, Bosland (?), B, m, July 1880, 19.
…………………, Birtrum; son, B, m, Nov 1883, 17.
…………………, Charlie; son, B, m, May 1889, 11.
…………………, Robert; son, B, m, May 1889, 11.
…………………, Minnie; dau, B, f, Sept 1890, 9.
(Rosa has had 7 children and 7 are living)
Next door, family 63:
WOODROUGH, Wyatt; Blacksmith, B, m, April 1830, 70, m’d 46 yrs.
…………………, Sallie; wife, B, f, Nov 1840, 59, m’d 46.
…………………, Rosa; dau, B, f, Mar 1875, 25.
…………………, Walter; son, B, f, Oct 1877, 22.
…………………, Paul; son, B, m, July 1876, 23.
…………………, Edward B; son, B, m, Sept 1883, 16.
…………………, Hubbard; son, B, m, Oct 1884, 15.
…………………, Edwin; son, B, m, May 1886, 14.
(Sarah/Sallie has had 14 children and 10 are living)
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1880
Amherst Co., Va Census; ED19 Pedlar District; 11 June; p.29A; family 273:
WOODROOF, James; Mu, m, 25, Wheelwright.
………………., Ann C.; Mu, f, 26, wife.
………………., CARRIE B.; Mu, f, 3, dau*******
………………., Mary L.; Mu, f, 2, dau.
………………., Signora; Mu, f, 4 months (b.Feb), dau.
Next door, family 274:
WOODROOF, Wyatt; B, m, 43, (no occupation listed).
………………., Sally; Mu, f, 38, wife.
………………., Emma; B, f, 19, dau.
………………., Mary; B, f, 14, dau.
………………., Thomas; B, m, 9, son.
………………., Silas; B, m, 6, son.
………………., Wesley; B, m, 5, son.
………………., Paulus; B, m, 3, son.
………………., Walter; B, m, 2, son.
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1870
Amherst Co., Va Census; Peddlar Twp; 25 July; p.17; P.O: Cool Well; family 139:
WOODRUFF, Wyatt; 37, m, B, Blacksmith.
………………, Sarah; 28, f, B.
………………, JAMES; 15, m, B*******
………………, Rebecca; 14, f, B.
………………, Emma; 12, f, B.
………………, Mary; 3, f, B.
………………, David; 9 months, m, B. (b.Aug)
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Bill
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