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besides, I scratched a 2 dollar ticket yesterday and won 8,000.00. It will waste a little money and since it combines both maternal and paternal dna and my father tested with polynesian, micronesian links I am curious as to what it has to say.
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Congratulations on the windfall.
As to the Jewish origins of the Cherokee, like Bill alluded to, there was a fad in the 19th century which claimed American Natives were the “Lost Tribe” of Israel, and a alot of “evidence” was brought forward, echoes of which still are circulating. If someone’s finding that in DNA tests, there may be another explanation. I knew a DNA researcher who told me his group had tested a sampling of Mohawks and found MtDNA markers for Zena, the meditteranean “mother.”
His theory was that, at the time 15,000 years ago or so, during the Ice Age, when people are theorized to have been migrating here from the Pacific Rim and Orient there was also migration from Europe. At the time, all of western Europe was populated by the same group that is now only in the Meditteranean. It was later that more Nordic types took over. The exception is the “black’ Irish, who are actually Meditteranean in their origins, perhaps explaining some of the roots of the conflict over there.
It is, of course, only a theory that I’ve only heard from one source at this point. It strikes a chord for me, though, since it is so common for me to meet Indian people here in the Upper South who are dead ringers for some of my Mediterranean cousins.
My gggrandmother is reported to have been Monacan. It would have been passed down through my father from his father and grandfather. Will a dna test work for NA blood in this case?
Dear Black Velvet,
A number of people on this list have had DNA testing done.
Please keep in mind that the mtDNA test (maternal line) and the “Y” chromosome test are only tracking one ancestor per generation.
There are other tests offered by various companies which supposedly estimate one’s % of African,Native American,East Asian,and European ancestry.
The tests that estimate ancestral %s,according to our former member
named “Vance”,have an error range of 10-15% in either direction.So,if a person is 1/8 or less of a specific ancestry,it might not show in a DNA test.
Some companies have stopped doing this type of test because of the high
variability.
DNA testing might not give one final answers but it can suggest where to
look.
Roca
Welcome Black Velvet,
Despite the problem with this type of DNA test, that test is the only one you can do with your broken line of male and female, Black Velvet. And people who criticize this test, will sometimes use it themselves. I used the test at genetree.com.
Techteach
Dear Black Velvet,
First of I would like to say thanks for your inquiry into DNA testing. What many people do not realize and have not been updated on is the great strides and advancements made in DNA testing. I am constantly involved in DNA projects and discussions and new technologies. The test are more refined than ever and has told us so much about migration patterns and human origins in the last couple of years. I work with people who are looking for answers and have seen results that usually correspond correctly with their genealogical research.
The problem is some people do not find what they are looking for because there was actually little or no Native Ancestry to begin with or it was too far back, which means they inhertited little or no Native DNA. There are many people who along with Genealogical Research, Oral history and DNA testing can usually come up with more than accurate results if they are get the proper evaluations of their family history. In your case being that you are not a direct female or Male decendant of a Full Native Ancestors and that it crossed sexes. That is from male to female or vice versa then we would do the Autosomal. You inherit 50% of these non-sex genes from each parent. So these test can almost accuratly pick up a ancestor of Native Ancestry going back about eight generations. If you inherited at least half from each ancestor starting with the full blood native your scores should show at least 4% American Indian or East Asian results maybe less. East Asian results can also be affected by certain European ancestry close to Eurasia. That is why you have to have a consult with each individual and their families history and orgins. I have people who I have tested who have done extensive genealogical research and had corresponding results. If you e-mail me I can give you more info on them and possibly get a Native American Verification (Autosomamal) test out to you.
Thanks.
Shoshone
Genetic Genealogical Consultant
Thanks.
Dear Shoshone,
Thank you so much for your reply. I will certainly consider doing this test.
The only real agenda I have in finding out is to right what I feel to be a wrong. If in fact the ancestor in question was Native American, she was treated very disrespectfully. For many years the family referred to her (for whatever reason) as the brown one. My father, who just turned 80, feels as I do and has been the driving force behind my search. We both want to give Permelia the proper name, the proper ethnic designation (whatever that may be) and the respect in our family history she deserves. It wasn’t until recently that she was even identified with the proper name. The family referred to her by her middle name.
I don’t know if any of that makes sense to you or not but I just feel each of my ancestors deserve the same consideration. I am quite proud to have a good deal of Scottish ancestery. I will be proud no matter what Permelia was. And yes, I have considered she could have been black…..a fact that bothers some family members but is of no concern to me.
Thanks again for your help. If the one person in the area who knows the truth cannot be convinced to allow us to see the family Bible then I will indeed do the DNA test. I may do it regardless.
BlackVelvet
Dear Black Velvet,
You know it is sad that the world we live in today is full of ignorance. It is sad about your Ancestor. I believe there is something that is guiding you. Just as my Ancestor guided me and allowed me to know who I was. I was the keeper of all things. My Great Grandmother died long ago and no one ever talked about her. I searched until I was able with the help of a genealogist get her death Certificate. She died from a disease that was often misunderstood and misdiagnosed. It was called Pellagra. It often cause people to suffer from Dementia and act strangely. It also caused a type of vitamin Deficiency and was cause by some toxins in corn. These people were placed in mental institutions were they evidentually died. She was placed in a n insane assylum and died five months later. Because of her I was determined to find my Native ancestors and who we truly were. When I recieved her death certifcate in the mail and though of what she went through and I broke down and cried like a baby.
As for those in your family who are worried if she (your ancestor) was black tell them that the first humans who gave rise to every color and nation were Africans. So they are already have thier blood. As Native people ,color nor pride should separtate us from our brothers wether they be black or white. This is not the way of true Native Peoples who were taught to respect the mother earth and all things born of it. So that’s their problem Black Velvet. What was meant to be revealed shall be revealed. You have a good heart.
Many blessings from the Ancestors.
Shoshone
Oh, Shosone,
How sad for your GGrandmother. Ignorance and prejudice are responsible for so much of the evil of the world.
It’s funny you said “I believe there is something that is guiding you.” My oldest sister somehow ended up teaching on a Sioux Reservation in South Dakota. My parents happen to go to a church that supports the Rosebud Reservation in South Dakota and the Chief said that they were descended from the Monacan of Virginia.
Of all the places I’ve lived (I loved Arizona but Virginia is home) I found myself living in the area where many of my Coleman Ancestors lived and where there is a Burial Mound.
My nephew, who recently moved from Key West, FL, ended up living just miles away from Mobjack Bay which the Coleman’s first inhabitated after coming to this country.
I do not feel this is all coincidence. It’s almost eerie. I had NO idea my ancestors lived in the area where I choose to live. We looked all over the area but felt compelled to buy where we are now. It’s peaceful, my yard is a gathering place for deer, fox, raccoons, rabbits and birds of all kindsi including a beautiful hawk. It’s amazing.
I will speak to my dad again about the DNA testing. I appreciate your help and kind words.
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