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I recently recieved a e-mail from Ellen Myers a distant cousin who has been researching the George family. Reuben George married Elsey Frazee who he recorded in his family Bible was a Tuckahoe from the Salt sea of Virginy. They were married dec 27th, 1780 in Stoney Hill which is in Cape May co. New Jersey. Ellen stated that in the 1700’s the part of New Jersey that Reuben and Elsey were married in was at that time part of Virginia. She also stated that the Deleware river was in that part of Virginia and there is a place name of Tuckahoe there. Ellen stated that the Lenape were living at this area. She stated thet this may be why Reuben called his wife a Tuckahoe from the Salt Sea of Virginy.
I found that in Cape May co. New Jersey there was a Tuckahoe tribe which was a branch off the Lenape. The Lenape tribe was in three clans, the Wolf,the Turtle, and the Turkey. According to this information the Turkey clan was divided in two tribes 1. the Kechemeche and 2. the Tuckahoe. They lived close to the Deleware river and the sea. My 5th great grandfather wrote in his family bible that his wife Ailcy was a full blooded Tuckahoe from the salt sea of Virgnie. They met and were married in Stoney Hill New Jersey which is near or in Cape May co. New Jersey where the Lenape were living. They were married 27 Dec 1780. Since Virginia used to claim the southern part of New Jersey this would explain why Reuben stated that his wife was a Tuckahoe from Virginia. I had been looking in the wrong direction because I had been focusing on the present boundary of Virginia and not looking at the territory that Virginia was claiming many years ago.
Nobody in 1780 thought Cape May was part of Virginia. Some Dutch mapmakers thought that, until about 1640 or so (although they were mistaken). However, the Eastern Shore counties in Virginia were in more or less constant touch with Cape May — pretty much everybody used small sailboats that could cross the Delaware Bay. If she was from Virginny, in 1780, then she was from across that Bay (where the Cape May to Lewes, DE ferry runs, these days). Think Assateague, Chincoteague, and on down that way (south of Ocean City, MD). Whereas most of Virginny is not on the salt sea, at all — it’s on the Chesapeake Bay.
Pappydick, I stand corrected. According to a map and information provided by Wikipedia the Colony of Virginia stretched over a large area which included the lower part of New Jersey from 1607 to 1776. When Reuben and his wife were married in 1780 the area she lived in no longer was considered a part of Virginia. She was born in 1755 while according to the information on the Wikipedia site it was still in the Virginia Charter. I am basing my information on what I read here. I could be wrong.
Let me try again, the map shows the lines of the Virginia charter covering a large area including the lower part of New Jersey. Not that the Colony of Virginia was covering it.
Well, about all I can really say is, don’t believe everything in a royal charter… There were several interruptions in the British government (Cromwell, etc.) during that long period (1607 to 1776), let alone what all was going on in the Middle Atlantic region of the present USA. Which would include Dutch and Swedish commercial colonies, New Albion (mostly on paper), the Duke of York gov’t that replaced New Netherland, Fenwick’s and Penn’s proprietary colonies, and the Calvert family’s (Lords Baltimore) — whose Maryland proprietorship overlapped both Penn’s and the earlier Virginia Company’s — and so on.
Whereas, the “salt sea” part of Virginia is pretty much the same now as it was by 1634 (founding of Maryland), let alone 1780: Accomack and Northampton counties. Its northern boundary has been quibbled over, but has never meaningfully included Cape May, New Jersey as a place of habitation by Virginians. Which is not to say the Tuckahoes weren’t in both areas — they cared even less about British royal grants than you and I do.
Pappydick, you are right. There were a lot of changes over the years. I recently e-mailed someone that has information about the area and they responded this morning and are going to mail me some information. It should get here soon. I’ll post what it says. Thank you for your posts.
I have seen an old map which showed the Tuckahoe on an eastern peninsula. I don’t know where, but I do remember seeing it.
Techteach
Thank you all, for your imput. The Tuckahoe Indians, from what I have read via the internet, had a regular trail that they traveled to parts west. Especially the area around Augusta County West Virginia. If I remember correctly, there were two rivers around which they lived. I really need to get out my information and reread it again. I find this part of my family to be throughly interesting. I read somewhere on here that the biggest Indian tribe was the Wantabes! Well, for me, it is not that I want to be it is just that I am by virtue of my 4th great grandmother, Elsy Frazy/Frazee. Oh, and by the way there were Frazee families living in NJ at the time. Maybe one was a missionary. Anything is and was possible. What say my new friends here at Saponitown? However, I do think that this is as close as we shall come to finding out about Elsy Frazee and Reuben George and when they were married.
Ellen
For those people that are studying the Tuckahoe or have east coast relatives that were ndn? You might look in Christian Co. Missouri. There was a trading post there and many of the peoples from the east and northeast came through there. Alot of the surnames carry across from Virginia into Kentucky and on into southwest Missouri. Look also at Christian Co. Kentucky. Seems to be an east/west Migration route.
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