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I read somewhere that in 1752 or 1792 (or was it 1652 or 1692??) Virginia made it illegal for “free persons of color” to own land in Virginia, but I am not sure what I read and have forgotten. Maybe it was a law that made it illegal to be an Indian in Virginia, or a bounty was put on the head and a person could collect a “bounty’ for any scalps they brought it.
Can anyone help me about this “Virginia law” or provide a reference to it online? thanks.
vance
vance sorry that I can’t help you here but I did read abit on early laws in “Mans rise to Civilization” perhaps there may be a reference sited there that could prove useful.
Something that I thought was very interesting but have not seen yet is , Alexander Edward P ” An Indian vocabulary from Fort Christanna”,1716. Virginia magazine of History and Biography,79,1971-303-313, perhaps this could be the wrong place to post this but I hope it’s of use just the same, Tom
Well, ever since I saw this message up a week ago i’ve been wondering, ponderin what to do with it. I thought about e-mailin you privately. I thought about e-mailin Linda privately. Replyin’ tells a lot of personal things I’ve gone through since then and I am uncomfortable doin that. But people have read this. So I just have to suck it up, & explain.
1. See, it is made of pasted together PRIVATE emails I wrote to someone once, about 3 years ago, when I first started my genealogy search — I was very green and just believed what people told me. It was never meant to be public.
2. I saw that message about 1650 virginia law online once, that’s why I asked about it hree on this list. I htought someone here had seen it.
3. It must have been three years ago because I can tell I mention “Southern Cherokee Nation” — Gary Ridges group, and I haven’t been associated with them for about that long I think. I was a member of his “Tennessee River Band of Chickamauga Cherokee” — one band that makes up part of his group. I don’t know if it is still on their web site or not as I haven’t looked there in a long time. The leader of that group was saying “Cherokees are Jews”, descendants of the lost 10 tribes. I started realizing at this point and thinking “Oh my God, what kind of weirdos did I get myself involved with?”
4. Some Arab guy somehow started e-mailin’ me — don’t know how or why or when — but I definitely DON’T see Indian peoples as the lost 10 tribes, and here in Oklahoma such talk is some of the stuff the federally enrolled tribes use as evidence the unenrolled are flakes, okay? They have heard that talk before and joke about it at Pow-Wows.
5. I was wanting to belong to a group real bad, but also was searchin’ for one not so flaky, and I found Aminsoquath (sp?). They seemed to fit us, my family, with Cherokee ties and Virginia ties. Part of what I said I learned from them, the “Pamunkey” part.
6. Back to the Arab — I remembered that flake (in my opinion, which I will always admit might be wrong) sayin’ Cherokees are not related to other Indians, but are descended from the 10 tribes of Israel. I started thinkin of the Palestinians — how the Israelis took their land sort of like American Indians lands were taken. I said as much to him. The previous e-mails are excerpts, bits and pieces of my e-mails to him taken out of context, were private, and I don’t know how anyone else got ahold of them. They were 3 years ago, when I was first starting to research my genealogy, and I was first beginning to realize I was gullible and just believing what I was being told without researchin it myself.
7. Since that time I have found NO connection to Pamunkey, although someone told me in a phone conversation we were directly descended from Pocahantantas and that had my line back to her, they wouldn’t provide us with that line. So I rejected that group after that refusal. I seek the truth, and not a bunch of half-truths or made up truths.
8. So these events started me on my quest to seek out “frauds” — groups who were claimin’ to be Indian but were not. I met a friend from a federally recognized tribe who now I think was just usin’ me I guess, to help him seek out frauds, then as quickly as he came he left. I have talked to others too.
9. I had to go through these experiences — learnin what to do and what not to do, and I guess I ran the gauntlet. I became a crusader against “tribes” of unenrolled altho I am unenrolled myself, because of these groups tellin’ me things they said were truths and I knew they were lies, or sayin somethin was a fact claimin’ they have, and when you ask to see it, they back down and say they can not find it. The PRIVATE e-mails sent to that Arab fellow and are cut & pasted together in the previous message are evidence of my mindset before I changed, and started crusadin’ against those groups. I once supported them wholeheartedly.
10. But I have decided there is no point it continuin’ to do this — crusade against people callin themselves a tribe. People do have a right to try & seek ancestors — I am torn between loyalties. It is not simple. I have gone between extremes of believin very gullibly everything these groups of non recognized tribes said — I felt so bad about bein so gullible I went to the extreme of not believing anything they said — to my present belief that the truth is in between. But I had to try these things because I can not know otherwise, and I had to learn the hard headed way, by banging my head into brick walls. There are good people out there in these groups just like me, in limbo.
I did not want to have to write all this, but since the PRIVATE posts to one individual are posted, and since they were talkin’ so some Arab guy and him alone, how did anyone else get a copy of it?
I wanna say I disagree with Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians. I also disagree with Al Qaeda and I am a Christian, United Methodist, but I could pill the trigger on Osama bin Laden and his thugs easily, and may God have mercy on me for sayin that. Do not confuse me sayin I feel sorry with the Palestinians with any sympathy for those SOBs with bin Ladin. They are 2 separate things.
Parts of the rest of that letter (previous message) I probably no longer believe, I’ll have to reread it to find out. But I have no idea how these private messages are known publicly.
I wanna know where you found them, or how you got ahold of them. thanks.
vance
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